Wilson and Plame: Victims or Traitors?

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Re: Wilson and Plame: Victims or Traitors?

Postby antiaristo » Tue Nov 01, 2005 7:48 am

Having slightly softened my criticism of the Wilsons out of embarassment over their children, I find this:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Wilson contends that his wife's identity was deliberately revealed by the Bush administration to get back at him for publicly challenging U.S. prewar intelligence on Iraq.<br><br> Wilson added that "we have received threats" over their allegations and have had to change their phone listing as a result.<br><br> '60 Minutes' interview In an interview aired Sunday on CBS' "60 Minutes," <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Wilson said that Plame, 42, was in shock when she saw her name and that of her fictitious employer published in a syndicated column by Robert Novak.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br> "She felt like she'd been hit in the stomach. It took her breath away," Wilson said.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9875093/">www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9875093/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Anybody see this?<br>Wilson is telling a straight lie.<br>Plame was in Novak's July 14 column, but Brewster-Jennings was in Novak's October 3 column.<br><br>Why is Wilson pretending that her name and that of her fictitious employer were published in the SAME column?<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Wilson and Plame: Victims or Traitors?

Postby chiggerbit » Tue Nov 01, 2005 1:04 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>'60 Minutes' interview In an interview aired Sunday on CBS' "60 Minutes," Wilson said that Plame, 42, was in shock when she saw her name and that of her fictitious employer published in a syndicated column by Robert Novak</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Where did you get this quote, anti? I just watched the interview, read the MSNBC article, and Wilson didn't say that there.<br><br>Correction, I missed the second page. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=chiggerbit@rigorousintuition>chiggerbit</A> at: 11/1/05 10:13 am<br></i>
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Antiaristo is quoted

Postby Peachtree Pam » Tue Nov 01, 2005 2:33 pm

by empty wheel at the nexthurrah (one of his comment posts). So he is getting recognised and giving brilliant comments over there. All RIs should check it out. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Antiaristo is quoted

Postby chiggerbit » Tue Nov 01, 2005 3:54 pm

Here is something I don't understand from an Oct 1, 2003 article:<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/09/29/novak.cia/">www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLIT...novak.cia/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>...."Nobody in the Bush administration called me to leak this," Novak said on "Crossfire." "There is no great crime here." <br><br>Novak said Monday that he was working on the column when a senior administration official told him the CIA asked Wilson to go to Niger in early 2002 at the suggestion of his wife, whom the source described as "a CIA employee working on weapons of mass destruction." <br><br>Another senior administration official gave him the same information, Novak said, and the CIA confirmed her involvement in her husband's mission. <br><br>In his column, Novak attributed the information about Plame's involvement in Wilson's trip to Africa to two unnamed senior administration officials. <br><br>"They asked me not to use her name, but never indicated it would endanger her or anybody else. According to a confidential source at the CIA, Mrs. Wilson was an analyst, not a spy, not a covert operative and not in charge of undercover operators," Novak said. <br><br>The Washington Post quoted a "senior administration official" in a story Sunday as saying that two top White House officials disclosed the identity of Wilson's wife in calls to at least six Washington journalists. Novak was the only recipient of the information who published it, the Post reported.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><br>These three points almost seem to indicate that he got his information from people other than the administration, that there were MORE than two people who were his sources. Does this mean an original source, two administration sources for confirmation, and a CIA official for confirmation? <br><br>...."Nobody in the Bush administration called me to leak this," Novak said on "Crossfire." ...<br><br>...<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Novak said Monday that he was working on the column</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> when a senior administration official told ...<br><br>...Another senior administration official gave him the same information, Novak said, and the CIA confirmed her involvement in her husband's mission. <br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Antiaristo is quoted

Postby antiaristo » Tue Nov 01, 2005 4:43 pm

Pam,<br>Unfortunately she completely misunderstood my point. I decided to let slleping dogs lie!<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>chig,<br>That piece is illuminating. A few points<br>1) The change. If you look at his column for July 14 you will see he uses the word "operative" to describe her, whereas here he has changed to "employee".<br><br>2) The timing. The DoJ announce its inquiry on September 26 and Novak changed his story on September 29 ("I didn't know she was undercover")<br><br>3) I think the two senior administration officials are Rove and Libby. There is some speculation that Abrams called first for Rove to confirm, then Libby followed up.<br><br>4) The CIA reference is interesting. It is almost certainly AFTER the DoJ launched its inquiry, and the CIA source is telling him how to change his story.<br><br>5) You will note that there is no mention of Brewster-Jennings. That came two days later when he wrote about Valerie Wilson's W-2. It could be the same CIA source. <p></p><i></i>
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outcome possibility

Postby anon » Wed Nov 02, 2005 6:05 am

well, something that comes to mind: domestication etc seems to have worked so well that USA public will regard this as like cops planting evidence on crack dealers, i e they wont care enough to admit truth to themselves, to really do anything to interfere with making a living and/or consuming. You know, if it comes out that the outing was gamesmanship to prevent public exposure of nuclear negligence/dealing, the fools may just go, "well them towelheads were trying to kill us - they hate our freedom you know - so what if they needed a push." You know there are some who will hold fast to that, due to this being one hell of a sick society ( is it worse than other societies in this world?? Is it the sickest of the family? ). And the media will do its part. . . Of course, if the obvious implications could be starkly spelled out, in toto, if enough citizens really are aware enough - witness approval ratings - t sort of have a sort of revolution, then something may come of this. maybe an historical moment HOW FUCKING GREAT <p></p><i></i>
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