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by **marykmusic** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 12:53 am

That's the Senator from Alaska that was one of 9 to vote against making torture illegal... whoah. --MaryK

by **dbeach** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 1:05 am

One lil pt worth mentioing IF bush /cheny are indcited and the election of 2000 is found to be fraudelent then the line of succession post impeachment/resignation/arrest changes and more intersting IF more repuke congressamn also had fraudelent elections..then it gets real unclear.. the bush/indcited story broke on 8/2/05 to cheers and sneers at RI and at DU. Folks are all waiting for the MM to carry this story and report on it..BUT why should the MM report the real facts if they are in fact in on the TREASON????? course this wild speculation of 8/2/05 is beginnin to look a bit more real..as least to this biased observor.. MM telling the TRUTH is less likely then bush getting arrested for TREASON. Citizen Spook offered that the whole plamegate affair was actually a risk taken by the busheviks to hide the real crime...The real crime being that the bush criminals have sold NUKES to the enemies of the USA. A Study of the bush family history reveals that sam bush helped arm the kaiser in WW I and prescott bush armed hitler in WW II...SO the MO of the bush family is one of arming the enemies of the USA. One more lil factoid.. a bush relative was executed for TREASON on 7/7/1605 in London for attempting to bomb Parliament.. c Guy Hawks day is about the gunpwoder plot of 1605 as you Brits know Sir Charles Percy was the bush ancester[I think???]

by **dbeach** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 1:09 am

<a href="http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/gunpowder_plot_of_1605.htm">www.historylearningsite.c...f_1605.htm</a> sorry the bush relative was sir thomas percy

by **antiaristo** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 7:55 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Times Reporter to Face Grand Jury Again Wednesday October 12, 2005 10:31 AM By PETE YOST Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON (AP) - New York Times reporter Judith Miller is giving prosecutors details of a previously undisclosed conversation she had with Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, adding a new dimension to the criminal investigation into the leak of a covert CIA officer's identity. Miller was to testify for a second time to a federal grand jury on Wednesday, a day after she turned over notes from her June 23, 2003, contact with I. Lewis ``Scooter'' Libby and underwent questioning by Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald. Miller's notes, according to a story published last weekend in the Times, refer to Bush administration critic and former U.S. Ambassador Joseph Wilson. The prosecutors have been examining the roles of Libby, presidential aide Karl Rove and others in the Bush administration in the leak to reporters of the identity of Wilson's wife, covert CIA officer Valerie Plame. Before the June 23 Miller-Libby conversation, the Times and The Washington Post had both anonymously quoted Wilson questioning the Bush administration's handling of prewar intelligence on Iraq. On July 6, 2003, the Times published an op-ed piece by Wilson suggesting the Bush administration had twisted intelligence to exaggerate the threat from Iraq's nuclear weapons program. Eight days later, columnist Robert Novak exposed Plame's identity as a CIA officer, saying his information had come from two administration officials. Miller never wrote a story about Wilson or Plame. She testified Sept. 30 about two conversations with Libby in the days after Wilson's op-ed piece in The Times came out. The newspaper said in a memo to its staff that once Miller's obligations to the grand jury are fulfilled, The Times intends to write ``the most thorough story we can of her entanglement with the White House leak investigation. It's a complicated story involving a large cast, and it has required a meticulous reporting effort - in part to chase down and debunk some of the myths kicked up by the rumor mill.'' The newspaper said the ``story is incomplete until we know as much as we can about the substance of her evidence.'' It contrasted its intentions to reveal the evidence Miller has given with other reporters who have testified, including two from the Post. The Times added that Novak has not disclosed the details of his grand jury testimony. Novak has refused to say whether he cooperated with Fitzgerald's investigation. Miller spent 85 days in jail for refusing to cooperate with Fitzgerald's probe. She testified Sept. 30 before the grand jury after getting a waiver from her source, Libby, and after receiving assurances from Fitzgerald that questions would be limited to her conversations with Libby. Presidential aide Karl Rove had conversations about Plame with Time magazine reporter Matt Cooper and Novak. Cooper also spoke with Libby about Plame. Fitzgerald also is calling Rove for additional testimony. It will be Rove's fourth appearance. The grand jury, which has been hearing evidence in the investigation for the past two years, is due to expire Oct. 28.<hr></blockquote> <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-5338251,00.html">www.guardian.co.uk/worldl...51,00.html</a>

by **dbeach** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 8:16 am

ANTI How about reading through the lines of the NY Crimes interview??? "the most thorough story " so in other words the NYT knows the whole story now but its corporat masters are still bettin on bush or the end of bush i.e. hedging their bets trying to figure out how much money they can make either way and plus come out smelling like clean socks on a monday morning..

by **dqueue** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:05 am

dbeach, I completely agree with you. Well, Miller knows the whole story, and she ain't talking until her story is straight. It's pathetic how NYTimes have run stories about the case, only to issue corrections. The corrections have always come out after some new revelation in the case. Admittedly, I feel the potential for something huge hangs in the balance...

by **antiaristo** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:24 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>so in other words the NYT knows the whole story now but its corporat masters are still bettin on bush or the end of bush i.e. hedging their bets<hr></blockquote> dbeach, I think it's much worse than that. The consensus I'm picking up from within the cadres of professional journalists is that the NYT is committing suicide. And they truly don't know the reason WHY. But come back to CS. Espionage in a time of war carries the DEATH penalty. The NYT knowingly peddled lies before the war. Miller herself peddled the nukes with her "aluminium tubes" story, at the behest of Cheney. We find out NOW that Libby and Miller met on 23 June, and that Libby, Miller AND the NYT conspired to hide this from the grand jury. There is reason to believe she was being primed to write a hit piece on Joe Wilson, presumably at the behest of Cheney once again, and that Jill Abramson was in on it. The NYT is up to its neck in the biggest treason in US history, and has been caught. Whatever happens to Bush, there is NO upside on this. That's why the DC Bureau AND the newsroom are in open revolt.

by **dbeach** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 10:05 am

ANTI LOVE YOUR SCANARIO BTW NYT purchased the Boston Globe..a few yrs ago..and of course the 9/11 plane flew out of Boston.. NOW the level of Massachusetts political coruption is LEGEND and Weld who was a repuke gov..left..then the italian dude another insider and then Jane swift,a mother with young children..who was in a small scandal with state police use of vehicles by her ..small but a scandal..THEN POW its 9/11 so this corrupt female becomes the fall guy for the more ambitious repuke predator males like weld and his successor.. The Boston connections to 9/11 and corruption are BEGGING to be investigated..and including mr. kerrys ties to 9/11 . all in conspiracy novels for now but soon enough we will see..

by **chiggerbit** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 10:23 am

anti, do you really believe Miller was preparing to write her own story? I wonder. Seems like she had plenty of time and plenty of material. How did she miss getting the scoop? Could her role in all this have been something other than reporting? Heck, could the Times' role in this have been other than reporting the news? I ask because it seems so strange that they continue to back her even though she has cost them so very much credibility. I keep remembering her connection to Kelly and to Chalabi, of all people. There are a lot of pieces missing to this puzzle. Personally, I've always felt the Times was the most credible of the majors. Then along came the buildup to the Iraq invasion, and bye-bye credibility. Just like that. They staked their entire reputation on something that should have been a obvious loser. What happened?

by **dbeach** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 10:36 am

chigger somewhere it became more profitable to shill for the kill and hire journalists rather than news reporters/observers to control the masses..miller shows up and kelly shows up dead... WHY CUZ WAR AND SEX SELL!!! Pentagon budget and war stocks are a great bloody investment..the talking heads on tv and the big journalists are heavily invested in the defense industry..these factoids were established . 6 corporations control the media ...and feed the masses packaged lies with ribbons of truth.. its an old script that has yet to achieve complete global success BUT they are trying like HELL. TO GET IT RIGHT..

by **antiaristo** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 10:51 am

chig, Yes I do, and so does the NYT newsroom. The newsroom gang published a story on October 2 which seems to have bypassed all editorial control. They made the point that "no story resulted" from the Libby meeting*. A day or two later a correction was published which said that the story WAS published, on July 20. But in that same correction they clung to the fiction that Miller had met Libby just twice, the first on 8 July. It stinks. She did indeed have time and material. But she had to be told how to "spin" the story to do maximum damage to Wilson's credibility before he went public. This little stratagem was in turn stymied when the "good guys" let Wilson tell his own story first. That's when they had to escalate to discredit him. And in so doing may have committed espionage. Yes, the NYT role is anything BUT "reporting the news". It was a player. And that is why the professionals see the paper committing suicide. *This was the article that finally broke the taboo on the Espionage Act. Doncha think NYT staffers read Citizen Spook too? This story was an ACT OF REBELLION BY THE RANK AND FILE.

by **dbeach** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 10:59 am

'*This was the article that finally broke the taboo on the Espionage Act. Doncha think NYT staffers read Citizen Spook too? This story was an ACT OF REBELLION BY THE RANK AND FILE. ' THANX U ANTI Oh the shifting sands... History is about to knock on the doors of many famous and infamous individulas.. like seemslikeadream is saying all over DU: "MERRY FITZMASS TO ALL"

by **dbeach** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 11:03 am

<a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5039620&mesg_id=5039620">www.democraticunderground...id=5039620</a> DU is dancing in the streets Good find ANTI

by **seemslikeadream** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 11:25 am

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by **antiaristo** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 12:03 pm

Even the NeoCon house journal is turning <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Mr. Fitzgerald's pursuit now suggests he might be investigating not a narrow case on the leaking of the agent's name, but perhaps a broader conspiracy. Snip Lawyers familiar with the investigation believe that at least part of the outcome likely hangs on the inner workings of what has been dubbed the White House Iraq Group. Formed in August 2002, the group, which included Messrs. Rove and Libby, worked on setting strategy for selling the war in Iraq to the public in the months leading up to the March 2003 invasion. The group likely would have played a significant role in responding to Mr. Wilson's claims.<hr></blockquote> <a href="http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB112907415441266084-VDsI1ez92Qlr0_XPP5IbwfiUKHI_20051111.html?mod=blogs">online.wsj.com/public/art...?mod=blogs</a>

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