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Postby dbeach » Thu Oct 13, 2005 12:54 am

R U Having fun yet??<br><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://waynemadsenreport.com/">waynemadsenreport.com/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>"New York Times reporter Judith Miller made her second appearance before the Grand Jury this morning. She departed the court house at approximately 10:35 am EDT. Karl Rove is expected to make his fourth Grand Jury appearance on Friday, October 14. The word is that the criminal probe is focusing beyond the CIA leak of the identities of Valerie Plame Wilson and her Brewster Jennings & Associates non-official cover colleagues and on to the wider role of senior White House officials in a conspiracy to attack Ambassador Joseph Wilson and lie about the reasons the United States used to go to war in Iraq. The focus of the probe on the White House Iraq Group (WHIG) not only would focus on Rove, Scooter Libby, and Ari Fleischer (names that have already been mentioned by informed sources as likely targets) but also Vice President Cheney, National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, International Public Diplomacy chief Karen Hughes, and Chief of Staff Andrew Card. President Bush, himself, could also be a subject of the criminal probe for conspiracy. The turning up of the heat on Bush's closest aides has also resulted in a barrage of criticism for Special Prosecutor Fitzgerald from the typical right wing noise machines, including propaganda outlets on the web and cable television.<br><br><br><br>The Grand Jury in CIA Leakgate is sitting behind these doors between the US Capitol and the White House. Hopefully, this will put to rest uninformed rumors and disinformation that Special Prosecutor Patrick J. Fitzgerald has involved Federal judges and jurors in Chicago in his probe of the CIA leak. Those reports are simply not true.<br><br>There are indications that the CIA's Counter Proliferation efforts in Iraq prior to the war may have also been compromised by the outing by the White House of Valerie Plame Wilson and Brewster Jennings & Associates. Iraqi assets in a position to know about the destruction of Iraqi WMDs by 1995 may have been executed by remnants of Iraq's security services and other paramilitaries working for the U.S. in order to silence them as witnesses to Iraq's WMD disarmament eight years prior to the U.S. invasion."<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: ""Watergate-level event" is about to occu

Postby antiaristo » Thu Oct 13, 2005 8:39 am

Just one person's opinion, but it has feelgood qualities and is written with conviction.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Don't worry people. Have faith in Fitz, I have seen his work before... The guy is _nuts_ about putting heavies and assholes behind bars. He took down the Illinois Capitol in the sweetest domino play I have ever seen... It's like he is clairvoyant into the criminal mind. He plans, he plots, he eats, and sleeps, and dreams, and lives for nothing but justice and making bad guys squirm on their way towards a life of hard time behind bars. He likes to take down big bad guys and mean assholes; it makes Fitz feel good. He is smarter than they are, and he has the law on his side. Ask ex-Gov Ryan of Illinois on his job performance. <br><br>He played one round of dominos in Illinois, and took down the entire Ryan organization with no questions asked. As I recall, it took him about 20 months to find the weak links, make a case, and the whole chain went down in order. I don't see he missed a step in making an airtight, near perfect (as perfect as the law allows) case. He won't waste any more time than necessary. He wants perps out of society and into the legal system as defendants or prisoners.<br><br>If he thought for one moment he was wasting time, money, or effort on this case, he would have already dismissed the GJ. <br><br>He won't show his hand yet because he still has two big fish in the water. Cheney and Bush. He knows they are dirty, he is nobodys idiot. Nobody talks about his brilliance, his dedication, his blood hound ablities... The only people who really know how good he is... Are in prison, under indictment, or defending themselves in court (ex-Gov Ryan) and since they are not proud of how good and thorough his work is... Nobody really gives him due credit. His life's work is taking down bad guys, and the bad guys don't want to talk about it when he is done with them... <br><br>He is vastly underestimated in this case. This guy is really something very special in his field.<br><br>Those last two fish... They are the two biggest fish he will ever see in his career, and he knows this. If he has to drain the whole damned pond to net them... Well... How long did it take the Army Corps to drain New Orleans?<br><br>Fitz excells in political corruption cases, cause the bad guys are big heavy assholes who feel above the law and beyond the arms of justice... This case is Fitz's dream prosecution, he feels this will help the entire country, the entire world even. Have you ever in your life seen an investigation that runs this tight? No leaks? No hint of direction? No statements to the press? No grandstanding?<br><br>He has his case. He has had it for awhile. He knew months ago in my opinion who did what when where how and why. He wants to extract _all_ the evidence... Then line up the suspects for the domino play at the end...<br><br>I think he has Cheney in the bag now... Typically, he has the bad guys before they realize they were played. I think Fitz realizes that Bush is reponsible as the CIC for all the corruption in his organization... So he knows Bush has to go down in order for the house to be cleaned. Fitz won't accept a partial case, especially not this case. Bush is reponsible for law, order, and control of his WH... And Fitz realizes Bush's power is nothing local, it has global implications... He has to go for the good of the country.<br><br>I bet Fitz already has Bush as a co-conspirator... But this case is important, the most important case, the biggest fish, of his entire career. This means special handling, a well planned and thorough development of evidence and testimony. He has all the weak links already... He needs an airtight connection to the POTUS before he can flip the indictments out and take the organization down. <br><br>Karl Rove is closest to the President. He has been saved for last. Karl has been carefully "prepared", he knows he has been a bad, bad, bad, little bully boy. Karl has watched his co-conspirators accumulate felony after felony in front of this GJ. Karl knows he has been saved for something special.<br><br>Fitz is going to ask Karl to give up the President this week. Karl may decline, but Fitz has him cold. When Fitz asks Karl to give up the President, Fitz will already have the President... He won't need Karl... He will ask, if Karl says no... Karl will have hell to pay... This GJ is likely as sick of Rover as Fitzgerald is... And Bush will still go down.<br><br>Fitz would really begrudge having all his hard work, and the grand jury's hard work, and all the taxpayers money wasted on pardons for everybody... He has already planned for this. He needs an open and shut impeachment case against Bush that will hold up in a republican controlled Congress.<br><br>Funny about Congress... Anybody notice the heavies there are going down to supoenas and indictments...??? They are in play too. Fitz has help people... Other's are chipping in to clear a path to the impeachment proceedings.<br><br>Remember how all this started?<br><br>Don't fuck with the Company.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.haloscan.com/comments/firedoglake/112918518465716159/">www.haloscan.com/comments...465716159/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>While I don't think we should get into a cult of the personality, let me pass on the moment I decided Fitz was for real. I was reading about a prosecution in the garment trade. Apparently at one point Fitz stopped talking, reached down and rolled up his left trouser leg. Right in front of the grand jury! The author scribbled something about this being his way of showing deliveries had come up short. Yeah. Whatever.<br><br>This is a masonic conspiracy, and Her Majesty's point man is none other than Richard Cheney. "The highest ranking Freemason in American public service" (source: Harry S Truman Lodge).<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: ""Watergate-level event" is about to occu

Postby dbeach » Thu Oct 13, 2005 10:12 am

and GHWBUSH the most corrupt politician in US History witha record of murdering one presdient many senators and Rev king and he walks around like Mr Clean<br>is HER NIBS VICEROY.<br><br>BLUE BLOOD IS MUCHO thicker than water <p></p><i></i>
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Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Oct 13, 2005 10:14 am

check your pms here and at DU again <p></p><i></i>
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Re: D. Beach. You forgot one.

Postby slimmouse » Thu Oct 13, 2005 10:15 am

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>and GHWBUSH the most corrupt politician in US History witha record of murdering one presdient</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->...attempting to Whack another ... <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>many senators and Rev king and he walks around like Mr Clean<br>is HER NIBS VICEROY.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: D. Beach. You forgot one.

Postby dbeach » Thu Oct 13, 2005 10:43 am

sorry forgot my ginko this AM and he tried to kill through his family frined Ronnie Regan..whom despite many eenmies MUST have stod in GHWBushs way and by todays standardsI consider a decent human being .<br><br>Ronnie Raygun was no saint but he will get there..the bush criminals and their clinton co-conspirators are the GREATEST most corrupt pols in US history..<br><br>NOW I will take my ginko<br><br>BTW Every Pres that has been assassinated has some Irish ancestry and even the Ron had some..<br><br>what about the pres who died on his inaguration day? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: comment in link

Postby chiggerbit » Thu Oct 13, 2005 11:10 am

This comment was in your link, anti:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>If Fitzgerald can make a solid impeachment case against the President, the President will have a difficult or impossible time in issuing legitimate pardons once the impeachment process has started.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I disagree. All the prez has to do is immediately pardon them, and it goes away. Once they have their pardons, they don't spill their guts. They don't spill their guts, and the prez gets off. It happened before in Iran/Contra that way with the Daddy Bush. He should still be in prison for his role in that, but he got off without even so much as a bit of mud sticking to him, let alone a prison sentence. Powell lied his ass off for GHW, saved GHW's butt and his own. And we all know how partisan this Congress is, so there will be no impeachment. And the country is as partisan as the Congress, so how the heck can a jury be found that will not have at least one partisan juror, if not four or five, to hold out on a guilty verdict? Then, too, a key "suicide" or plane crash here and there and all will be well. I suspect that the best we can hope for is that it will affect the 06 elections.<br> <br>Also, if you followed Iran/Contra at all, you will have noticed that all the various Select Congressional committees gave immunity to the guilty parties to get the criminals to testify in their hearings, effectively pulling the teeth of Walsh, the Fitzy of that day, who was going to prosecute them. So, these criminals testified to some minor infractions because there was no longer any motivation to protect themselves from the big stuff, and the whole thing went away. It was such a travesty. A couple of small fry got minor sentences, but that was all.<br><br>I wonder if there is a statute of limitations on these crimes. Fitzy may have to go after Bush first, hang the others in a closet until he is done with the Bush, forcing the smaller criminals to "perform" first in Bush's hearings in order to qualify for their reduced future sentences. Hmmmmm, I wonder if Powell would lie for this Bush? I bet he knows plenty. <p></p><i></i>
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powell and the "rottentop"

Postby firstimer » Thu Oct 13, 2005 12:41 pm

Powell may get a chance to redeem himself, will he take it? If Fitz gets more time, and the case broadens, there will be a new round of subpoena's. Its exciting to think that just the subpoena of an insider can be threat enough to get a 3rd party to talk. If, for instance, Rove doesn't trust Colin to keep his mouth shut, Rove might spill or make a mistake in an attempt to protect himself just upon hearing that Colin was subpoenaed (not true at this moment). This is so cool.<br><br> Rove's strategy has been to protect Bush at all costs. His testimony was tuned/aligned to that goal. Now that he has been exposed, his testimony from now on will be tuned to the goal of protecting himself. This predicament naturally produces inconsistencies under intense questioning and analysis. Those inconsistencies reveal the weaknesses in Bush's defense due to the context of each inconsistency. Its a simple concept, but gets lost in the hoopla. I think that will be how Fitz brings Bush down. The funny thing is that Bush is such an idiot, his crimes are easy to account for. <br><br>Rove in my opinion, presents the greatest difficulty. He has planned for such attacks and puts up a hell of a good fight. Look for all kinds of Fitz smears, assasination attempts, Supreme Court manipulation, terror threats, Avian Flu outbreaks, etc. Rove has shielded the president well, but if the real focus of the case widens to encompass "causus belli" as rumored, that will be the only way to snare Bush, He has confidently distanced himself from the leak. There is the outside possibility that an errant comment from below could implicate Bush, but the gravy is in the "causus belli" expansion.<br><br>To the contrary believe that Cheney will be tougher than Libby, and the case will probably have to widen unless Cheney's presence is mentioned in the "missing notes" as being present, involved, or privy to the earlier meetings.<br><br>I didn't know that a pardon could be used so blatantly as suggested earlier. That's depressing, but it might be just the type of miscalculation that brings the "rottentop" down. I'd like to believe that a protest larger than the global antiwar protest of '03 would effectively remove Bush from power manually.<br><br>for inspiration:<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_protests_against_war_on_Iraq#February_15.2C_2003">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glo...15.2C_2003</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>February 15, 2003<br>Main article: February 15, 2003 global anti-war protest<br>Millions of people protested, in approximately 800 cities around the world. The event was listed by the 2004 Guinness Book of Records as the largest mass protest movement in history. Protests occurred among others in the United Kingdom, Italy, Spain, Germany, Ireland, the United States, Canada, Australia, South Africa, Syria, India, Russia, South Korea, Japan, and even McMurdo Station in Antarctica. The largest of these demonstrations was in London, where almost 2,000,000 people gathered at a rally in Hyde Park; speakers included the Reverend Jesse Jackson, London mayor Ken Livingstone, and Liberal Democrats leader Charles Kennedy.<br><br>Firstimer <p></p><i></i>
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Re: powell and the "rottentop"

Postby sunny » Thu Oct 13, 2005 9:41 pm

OMG, somebody stop me, I'm feeling hope again that a little justice might be meted out and that my fantasy of a perp walk by Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Rove, Libby and a host of others may actually come true!!!<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rollin --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/roll.gif ALT=":rollin"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br>(And I don't even care if this is a Watergate-style set-up) <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=sunny@rigorousintuition>sunny</A> at: 10/13/05 7:42 pm<br></i>
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Judy 'n David 'n George 'n Tony

Postby antiaristo » Fri Oct 14, 2005 6:44 am

Hallelujah!<br>Someone has finally remembered the international aspects.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>at precisely the same time as Bush's top advisors were plotting to out a spy, Tony Blair's government was leaking the identity of David Kelly.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://thenexthurrah.typepad.com/the_next_hurrah/2005/10/tonys_surprise_.html#more">thenexthurrah.typepad.com....html#more</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>We had a thread here about Judith Miller and David Kelly but I can't find it (as usual) <p></p><i></i>
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Pardons

Postby Peachtree Pam » Fri Oct 14, 2005 11:48 am

Hi Anti,<br><br>Remember our discussions on pardons? I am quoting below a poster commenting on a thread at firedoglake, with his take on Fitz making sure the charges are also filed in district or state courts (where the presnit cannot issue a pardon). What do you think? This site and the nexthurrah are brilliant. I just finished reading the Kelly tie-in thread you mentioned. Could Millar have gotten her info about Plame from Kelly? I saw inferences that they were "real good friends"...<br>____________________<br> "I think the best answer to the subject of pardons was discussed in another thread here, methinks by "me" and is essentially this: Fitz will make whatever case he has bulletproof-- for the trials, appeals and yes, for pardons. He will probably deal with the pardon issue by bringing charges in the district or in state court in Virginia to back up any federal charges made. The President has plenary powers to pardon in the federal system, but he can't go into Ohio, for example and pardon anyone he wants to there. There is also an arcane law, never tested in the courts (ergo Harriet) that also limits Presidential power to pardon while under impeachment proceedings. While I don't expect impeachment to get very far, it sis certainly plausible that a status of unindicted co-conspirator could pave the way for enough articles to be filed that would at least delay any pardons uuntil, say January 2007 when a new Congress is sworn in. <br><br>I would be surprised if Fitz doesn't cover every base to ensure this is air tight and sticks, whatever the "this" is. At his point I'm betting on at least 9 people being indicted with multiple counts of conspiracy, epionage, obstruction, perjury, making false statements to federal officials (including if he's really having fun, the POTUS) removing mattress tags and maybe beating up black folk, just for the poetry of it.<br><br>I'm not saying W won't think about or even try the pardonnez-vous route--it may even be part of the present plan--he just won't be able to. Praise Jesus.<br>froggermarch | 10.13.05 - 9:14 pm | # "<br><br> <br><br> <br>Commenting by HaloScan.com<br> <br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Pardons

Postby antiaristo » Fri Oct 14, 2005 12:25 pm

Pam,<br>Kelly could indeed have been the source. He took a lot of shit in his last few years of life, and who knows what his frame of mind was? But he is UNDOUBTEDLY involved.<br>I'm not sure about the state and district courts. I do know that the aggrieved parties (anybody at Brewster Jennings, not just Plame/Wilson) can bring a civil claim and it is NOT affected by the pardon (remember Paula Jones and Clinton?)<br><br>This is where CS was brilliant. The point he made is that the pardon does not apply to "impeachable offences". He also made the point that "judgements in cases of impeachment" are treated differently than "cases of impeachment" by the Constitution.<br>We NEED a researchable CS archive. Those two sites are top-notch, but for sheer erudition there is nobody to touch Citizen Spook. But after DU I'm sure he's had enough (approved sources ONLY).<br><br>Help! What's the URL for the Miller/Kelly thread? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Pardons

Postby dbeach » Fri Oct 14, 2005 12:26 pm

HI PAM<br><br>I have read at DU and elsewhere that bush can pardon all and even himself.<br><br>WELL according to Citizen Spook.NO WAY.<br>BUSH CANNOT PARDON. NOBODY!<br><br>This thread tells all!<br><br><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm26.showMessage?topicID=36.topic">p216.ezboard.com/frigorou...D=36.topic</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm26.showMessage?topicID=36.topic">p216.ezboard.com/frigorou...D=36.topic</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Miller-Kelly

Postby Peachtree Pam » Fri Oct 14, 2005 1:05 pm

Anti,<br>Here is a good review of Miller-Kelly background:<br><br>Kelly's connections<br>If David Kelly was the peace-lover described by some in the anti-war movement, what was he doing hanging around with the New York Times' Judith Miller? <br> <br>by Brendan O'Neill <br> <br><br>Since his suicide in July 2003, Ministry of Defence scientist David Kelly has been adopted by some in the media and anti-war lobby as a 'good man' who was keen to 'raise questions about the nature of the war in Iraq' (1).<br><br> <br>Left-wing writer John Pilger claims the 'heroic' Kelly was 'the antithesis of those [in government], who have shown themselves to be the agents of a dangerous, rampant foreign power' (2). If this is true, why does Kelly appear to have been a close acquaintance of Judith Miller of the New York Times - the most vitriolic pro-war journalist, whose shrill articles about Saddam and his WMD have recently become the subject of ridicule?<br><br> <br>Shortly after Kelly's death, it emerged that his final email was to Miller. This is the one in which he referred to 'many dark actors playing games', words that Miller first quoted in an article for the NYT and which quickly spread around the world. The submission of Kelly's emails as evidence to the Hutton Inquiry this week reveals the rest of his message to Miller, in which he refers to her as 'Judy' and says 'Thanks for your support. I appreciate your friendship at this time' (3).<br><br> <br>Hutton's evidence also shows that Kelly's email was in response to one sent by Miller, in which she asked Kelly how it went at the Foreign Affairs Committee where he gave evidence days before committing suicide. 'I heard from another member of your fan club that things went well for you', wrote Miller. 'Hope it's true, J.' (4)<br><br> <br>Why was Miller a member of Kelly's 'fan club'? Miller is one of the most arch pro-war journalists; she has published numerous articles for the NYT over the past two years claiming that Saddam was developing chemical, biological and nuclear weapons. For some of these reports, Miller appears to have relied on highly dubious sources. In May 2003, it was revealed that one of her anonymous Iraqi sources, who she admits 'provided most of the frontpage exclusives on WMD' (5), was none other than Ahmad Chalabi - the Washington stooge who heads the CIA-backed Iraqi National Congress, and who has lived in the West for the past 45 years before returning to postwar Iraq in April 2003.<br><br> <br>For another report in April, as US forces continued to hunt for WMD, Miller claimed to have found more than a 'smoking gun'; she had discovered the 'silver bullet', an Iraqi scientist who claimed that Saddam destroyed his WMD just before the war started, but also buried some 'precursor materials' from which illegal weapons could once again be constructed (6).<br><br> <br>However, Miller said she was barred from naming the precursor material, or from visiting the scientist's home, or from speaking to him - though she was allowed to, in the words of one Miller critic, 'view the baseball cap-clad scientist from a distance as he points at spots in the sand where he says precursor compounds are buried' (7). In later reports, Miller switched from calling this mysterious man on the horizon a 'scientist' to a 'military intelligence officer' (<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START 8) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> .<br><br> <br>In the aftermath of the war, and in the absence of WMD, many on the American left have ridiculed Miller's journalism. Jack Shafer of the online publication Slate refers to her 'wretched reporting', writing: 'If reporters who live by their sources were obliged to die by their sources, Judith Miller would be stinking up her family tomb right now.' (9) One of Miller's many sources appears to have been David Kelly.<br><br> <br>Judging from other comments made at the Hutton Inquiry, Kelly and Miller's 'friendship'/'fan club' goes back a number of years. On 21 August 2003 Nick Rufford of The Sunday Times, who knew Kelly well, was asked by the Hutton Inquiry 'if Dr Kelly spoke to other journalists'. Rufford replied: 'I saw his name in other newspaper articles, particularly in the New York Times. His name was in a book called Germs, written or co-authored by somebody called Judith Miller.' (10)<br><br> <br>Germs: The Ultimate Weapon was written by Miller and two other NYT journalists, Stephen Engelberg and William Broad, and published in October 2001. It is a shrill, scaremongering book on the alleged proliferation of chemical and biological weapons into the hands of terrorist groups and 'rogue states' following the collapse of the Soviet Union. Among other threats to the free world, Miller and her co-authors refer to 'the poor man's hydrogen bomb, a biological or chemical weapon of mass destruction [that] can be made in a laboratory and transported in a briefcase - yet it can silently devastate an entire population' (11).<br><br> <br>Although the book was researched and written in the late 1990s, and covers mainly the Soviet Union and Iraq, it fed off the 11 September attacks for its publication in late 2001. 'The atrocities in New York and Washington…highlighted as never before the Western world's vulnerability to terrorist attacks of all kinds', it says, surely making it one of the earliest publications to draw a dubious link between Iraq's alleged chemical weapons programme and the possibility of further terrorist attacks in the West (12). The book jacket quotes a critic's comments: 'Deeply scary…. Alarming… tragically important book.' And it would appear that some of the information for this deeply scary and alarming view of the world was provided by Kelly.<br><br> <br>Miller's seeming kinship with Kelly is reflected in the way that he is depicted as something of a hero in her book, as one of those who, after the first Gulf War, opened the West's eyes to the continuing threat allegedly posed by Iraq. The book claims that at times some US and UN officials were lax in their hunt for Iraqi weapons in the early 1990s, but that Kelly argued that he and the weapons inspectors should be allowed to 'broaden [their] itinerary' and search warehouses and other suspicious buildings as well as known weapons factories.<br><br> <br>Miller and her co-authors give 'fulsome' praise (13) to Kelly for 'seeing missed opportunities in CIA reports' and for having 'instincts [that] were sharper than he knew' (14). After talking to Kelly and many others involved in intelligence in the Soviet Union and Iraq, the authors conclude their book by writing: 'We remain woefully unprepared for a calamity that would be unlike any [the USA] has ever experienced.'<br><br> <br>After Germs, Miller continued to use Kelly as a source for some of her articles in the run-up to the Iraq war. One such article was entitled 'CIA hunts Iraq tie to Soviet smallpox', published in the NYT on 3 December 2002. This is another of those deeply scary works, with claims about dastardly Russian scientists, weapons-obsessed Iraqis, and the potential of a smallpox attack (a big concern back in 2002). Miller wrote: 'The CIA is investigating an informant's accusation that Iraq obtained a particularly virulent strain of smallpox from a Russian scientist who worked in a smallpox lab in Moscow during Soviet times' (15). <br><br> <br>According to Slate's Jack Shafer, this article too raised more questions than it answered. He wrote at the time: 'The prolific blind sourcing in Miller's article to "senior American officials", "foreign scientists", "American officials"…and an "informant whose identity has not been disclosed" calls into immediate question who talked to Miller about the alleged Madame Smallpox and why.' (16)<br><br> <br>One of the few named sources in Miller's piece was David Kelly. Miller writes that a Russian scientist 'might have shared the Aralsk strain [of smallpox] with Iraq scientists in 1990', and quotes Kelly as saying, no doubt in suspicious-sounding tones, that there had been a 'resurgence of interest' in the smallpox vaccine in Iraq in 1990, 'but we have never known why….' (17).<br><br> <br>Kelly and Miller would appear to have little in common. He was apparently the quiet Oxfordshire man who couldn't cope with the glare of publicity, she is the bolshy New York journalist who mixes with politicians and spies. And where he has been adopted as some kind of peacenik by anti-war activists, Miller is one of the anti-war lobby's top hate figures. The truth is that for all the dubious anti-war claims about Kelly wanting to raise questions about the war in Iraq, he and Miller appear to have had one thing in common: a belief that Iraq was a threat to the civilised world, and that it was up to the West to put Iraq back in its place.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.spiked-online.com/Printable/00000006DF05.htm">www.spiked-online.com/Pri...06DF05.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br> <br> <br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Miller-Kelly

Postby antiaristo » Fri Oct 14, 2005 1:20 pm

Pam,<br>Look at what Miller said THE DAY AFTER KELLY DIED.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>In an email to American author Judy Miller, sent just before he left his home for the last time, he referred to "many dark actors playing games".<br>But, according to Miller, Dr Kelly gave no indication he was depressed or planning to take his own life.<br>He told her he would wait "until the end of the week" before deciding his next move following his traumatic appearance before a House of Commons select committee.<br>Yesterday, Miller said she believed the "dark forces" Dr Kelly was referring to were in the secret services and Ministry of Defence.<br>They have already been accused of using Dr Kelly as a "scapegoat" in a bitter row between the Government, whose offensive was led by Tony Blair's spin doctor Alastair Campbell, and the BBC.<br>Miller, who lives in New York, said: "Based on earlier conversations with Dr Kelly, the words seemed to refer to people within the Ministry of Defence and Britain's intelligence agencies with whom he had often sparred over interpretations of intelligence reports."<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><br>Kelly was no peacenik. But he WAS an honest man with a conscience. And that's what made him a danger over the uranium claims in the "Dossier".<br>(technical note: a White Paper is a prelude to legislation. The September and February documents were NOT "White Papers")<br><br>Pam, PLEEEEEEZE. What's the URL?<br> <p></p><i></i>
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