Ken Lay Dead? Sudden Massive Something

[kurtangleitstrue]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Speaking of DU, has anyone else noticed that when an exceptional news day is occuring they always seem to drag out their "DU NEEDS MODERATORS!" shtick and slap it on the home page..?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><br>Yeah. What DU really needs is some consistancy, logic and reason in the moderation policies/actions of their current moderators, not more moderators adding more styles of moderating to the mess. <p></p><i></i>

[nomo]

Body of Enron's Lay to be cremated<br>Family will hold private service in Colorado on Sunday.<br>July 7 2006: 9:53 AM EDT<br><br>HOUSTON (Reuters) -- <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The body of Enron Corp. founder Ken Lay will be cremated and his ashes buried in Aspen, Colo.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, where he died this week of an <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>apparent heart attack</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, a newspaper reported Friday.<br><br>The Houston Chronicle, quoting a source close to Lay's family, said the cremation and Aspen burial had been Lay's wish because the mountain town, where he once owned several properties, was his favorite place in the world.<br><br>The Lay family will hold a private service in Aspen on Sunday for the one-time corporate titan who became a convicted felon, followed by another service in Houston on Wednesday, the newspaper said.<br><br>Lay, 64, died Wednesday while on vacation in Aspen. Following an autopsy by the local coroner, his death was attributed to a massive heart attack caused by coronary artery disease.<br><br>Results of toxicology tests are not expected for about three weeks, officials said.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://money.cnn.com/2006/07/07/news/newsmakers/enron_lay.reut/index.htm">money.cnn.com/2006/07/07/.../index.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=nomo@rigorousintuition>nomo</A> at: 7/7/06 12:53 pm<br></i>

[isachar]

The "Mesa County" coroner? Lay was in Snowmass (Pitkin County), not Mesa County.<br><br>Mesa County (and more specifically, Grand Junction where its coroner's office would be) is about 130 miles from Aspen.<br><br>Whazaat all about? And, if the Pitkin County (Aspen) coroner was unavailable, then why not take him to Glenwood Springs (Garfield County), just 30 miles or so to the South with its large hospital? <p></p><i></i>

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Speaking of DU, has anyone else noticed that when an exceptional news day is occuring they always seem to drag out their "DU NEEDS MODERATORS!" shtick and slap it on the home page..?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Sounds like controlling the restless herd sets off an all-points-bulletin for cowboys.<br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[sunny]

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[Et in Arcadia ego]

So shady..my tin hat's giving my scalp some major itching.. <p>____________________<br>Oderint, dum metuant</p><i></i>

[Rigorous Intuition]

<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong><br>Lay's death could set Skilling free</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Lawyers likely to argue that entire case has effectively been voided</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>WASHINGTON -- Kenneth Lay's sudden death could prove to be an unexpected legal bequest to Jeffrey Skilling, his co-defendant in the landmark Enron Corp. fraud case.<br><br>Mr. Skilling's legal team will almost certainly invoke Mr. Lay's demise to try to reverse his own fraud and conspiracy conviction or demand a retrial, legal experts said yesterday.<br><br>That's because Mr. Lay's death Wednesday of an apparent heart attack <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>effectively voids the entire case against the Enron founder, including the guilty verdict. Mr. Skilling, the former Enron chief executive officer who is appealing his own conviction, could now argue that much of the evidence against him stems from a case that no longer exists</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, argued lawyer Jacob Frenkel, a former federal prosecutor and white collar crime specialist.<br><br>"This is the first time this has happened in such a high profile case," Mr. Frenkel said. "Everybody is scrambling to see what the law says on this."<br><br>How it all plays out could set a legal precedent, he added.<br><br>Federal prosecutors may be stymied in their bid to seize Mr. Lay's assets. A recent appeals court ruling in the U.S. Fifth Circuit, where Mr. Skilling and Mr. Lay were tried, determined that when a defendant dies before he has exhausted all his appeals "everything associated with the case is extinguished, leaving the defendant as if he had never been indicted or convicted."<br><br>And that, Mr. Frenkel said, could arguably include any evidence used to convict Mr. Skilling.<br><br>Both men were free on bail, awaiting sentencing following their May 25 criminal conviction on fraud and conspiracy for their role in the spectacular 2001 collapse of Enron, a Houston-based energy trader.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>And in another bizarre twist</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, Mr. Lay's death is likely to shield his wife, Linda, and the couple's children from a federal forfeiture of his assets.<br><br>The U.S. Justice Department's Enron Taskforce filed a motion last week asking U.S. District Court Judge Sim Lake to force Mr. Lay to pay $43.5-million (U.S.) and Mr. Skilling to pay $139.3-million.<br><br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20060707.IBENRON07/TPStory/Business">www.theglobeandmail.com</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i></i>

[chiggerbit]

Personally, I suspect Lay committed suicide. The case being made for his assets now being out of play may not be quite accurate:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/energy/2006-07-06-lay-legal-usat_x.htm">www.usatoday.com/money/in...usat_x.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>"...But even if government prosecutors can no longer follow through on their motion to collect more than $43 million from Lay, that doesn't mean that plaintiffs' lawyers or attorneys from the Securities and Exchange Commission can't go after his wealth.<br><br>'Criminal forfeiture takes place only if there's a conviction," says Richard Troberman, a Seattle attorney who specializes in asset forfeiture cases. "I don't think Mr. Lay's death resolves one way or another whether the government will get its hands on his property'...."<br><br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=chiggerbit@rigorousintuition>chiggerbit</A> at: 7/8/06 9:09 am<br></i>

[isachar]

Answer my own question. Apparently the Mesa County Coroner came up to Aspen to do the post-mortem as the Pitkin County Coroner was out of town.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.aspentimes.com/article/20060706/NEWS/107060050">www.aspentimes.com/articl.../107060050</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>

[Gouda]

The commercial media once again in therapist mode vis-a-vis blogs, analysing for their readership the fragile, sentimental psyches of a blogosphere trying to cope with the real world where the big boys play...<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/10/business/10link.html?_r=1&oref=slogin">NYT Commentary:</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Or as another blogger at lexicon.typepad.com put it, "I hate it when those jerks go off and die before they get their punishment. It's so unfair."<br><br>It's a sentiment that explains why there has been so little room for compassion in the wake of Mr. Lay's passing — and why so many voices on the Web, only half jokingly, want to see a corpse. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> No room for exploration of precedents, no legitimate need for solid proof - such doubts are to be expressed only on the Web (which is akin to the unconscious realm) but not to be translated into a serious course of investigation. It is a place, apparently, to work out your problems. The NYT draws a solid line between themselves, the domain of facts and record, and the reactionary blogonscious. <br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>So when Mr. Lay shuffled off this mortal coil last week (a heart attack as the family vacationed in Colorado, the coroner said), avoiding prison altogether and perhaps protecting his family's remaining assets, <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>there was an immediate sense in the blogosphere that something was rotten in Aspen.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> No one in the "real" media sensed something odd?! I am not sure we can believe that in this case. Reading this article I get the sense that the NYT actually agrees with the web on this (because Lay's certified bad apple ethics are not in question) but would rather the bloggers do the dirty work for them, hoping something is dug up (like the Gannon outing) while leaving the rest open to ridicule. <p></p><i></i>

[NewKid]

The major media's angst and obsession with the blogosphere is fascinating to watch. It feels a little bit like listening to girls bitch about other girls being slutty or something. The blogosphere has no controls, they can say anything they want, they're not pure and don't have any fact checkers, etc. But at the same time, they're jealoust of both the blogospheric freedom to say dangerous things everyone is thinking out loud, freedom from corporate and self-censorship that NYT et al don't have, and the fact the audience is flocking to the internet in droves. <p></p><i></i>

[Gouda]

Still no sign of him...<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Friends, family of Lay gather for private service</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>....<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>While Lay had numerous detractors, many here in Aspen remained his friends and fans. Lawson told the gathering of close to 200 that often those who are vilified in life — John F. Kennedy, Martin Luther King and even Jesus — often become heroes in death.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>Lawson recited the Lord's Prayer. Then he read Psalm 18:1-3 out of the Old Testament and read from the New Testament's Second Corinthians.<br>...<br><br>"It was very moving," said Fred Malek, chairman of Thayer Capital Partners in Washington, D.C., "It brought back the philanthropic man that he was."<br>...<br><br>Security was so tight that access to the chapel was granted only to those whose names appeared on the guest list.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/chronicle/4034609.html">www.chron.com/disp/story....34609.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Memorial set for Enron founder Ken Lay</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>Security was tight for the Aspen service, and attendees were allowed in only if their names appeared on the guest list. But security won't be as stringent at Wednesday's service in a much larger sanctuary that can seat up to 1,500.<br><br>Kimberly said Tuesday that the service will be open to friends and family, and attendees don't have to be on a guest list to be admitted. Media will be barred from the service.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060712/ap_on_bi_ge/lay_funeral_4;_ylt=AixWJATNyPHTm2OqnD84No9v24cA;_ylu=X3oDMTA2ZGZwam4yBHNlYwNmYw--">AP Link</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i></i>

[sunny]

Former Houston mayor collapses at Lay funeral and is taken away by ambulance; so says MSNBC. <p></p><i></i>

[Gouda]

Why yes he did, and thus I am forced to cross-post on the Aspen para-medical emergencies thread...<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060712/ap_on_re_us/lay_funeral_lanier;_ylt=AoH15c0NUFtwNBAPCWcp4Pms0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3MjBwMWtkBHNlYwM3MTg-">news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060...NlYwM3MTg-</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>HOUSTON - Former Houston Mayor Bob Lanier collapsed Wednesday as he arrived at the funeral of Enron Corp. founder Ken Lay. "He is very, very ill," said Pastor Steve Wende of First United Methodist Church, just before Lay's funeral began.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i></i>

[Gouda]

Warning: there is a jar out there claiming to be Ken Lay. I suspect the urn is in fact stuffed with shredded legal papers, briefings, and court administration docs. <br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Enron's Lay memorialized as devout, family man<br><br>HOUSTON (Reuters) - Houston's political and business leaders, <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>including former President George H.W. Bush</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, turned out for Kenneth Lay's memorial service on Wednesday, less than a week after the Enron founder's sudden death. <br>...<br><br>Among the other luminaries at the service were former Secretary of State James Baker, former Secretary of Commerce Robert Mosbacher Sr., several corporate heads such as Reliant Energy Inc.'s (RRI.N: Quote, Profile, Research) Joel Staff, and baseball team owner Drayton McLane.<br>...<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Lay was cremated in Colorado, where a memorial service was held for him on Sunday.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>...<br><br>The Reverend Dr. Bill <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Lawson compared Lay with civil rights leader Martin Luther King Jr. and Jesus Christ</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, and said his name would eventually be cleared.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>"He was taken out of the world right at the right time," he said. "History has a way of vindicating people who have been wronged."</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://today.reuters.com/business/newsarticle.aspx?type=ousiv&storyID=2006-07-12T192626Z_01_N12289433_RTRIDST_0_BUSINESSPRO-ENRON-LAY-DC.XML&src=071206_17_ARTICLE_PROMO_also_on_reuters">Reuters Link</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i></i>