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Postby zuestorz » Sat Apr 21, 2007 6:08 am

I've just finished reading The Ultimate Time Machine, the 1998 publication written by Joseph McMoneagle.

A long time US Government employed Remote Viewer, the author provides information regarding his remote viewing of the assassination of JFK :

" When JFK was shot, he was fired on from at least three (possibly four) positions. The bullet that killed him struck him from the front, and was fired through a street-level storm drain - hence the perception that the rifle fire was coming from all directions. In actuality, that was the only rifle that did not have a silencer on it because of the range from which it was being fired. "
The Ultimate Time Machine, McMoneagle, Hampton Roads Publishing Company, Charlottesville, 1998, p.72.

Leaving aside viewpoints regarding the credibility of this method of investigating that event, I was wondering if any Rig.Int Board Members could provide any information about other writers or commentators who probe this idea of a shooter concealed in a storm drain? Accepting for the moment that the info in the quotation is 'true', would it not be possible to absolutely identify the location of the storm drain referred to?
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Postby H_C_E » Mon May 14, 2007 5:51 pm

I've been reading Joan Mellen's "A Farewell to Justice" about Jim Garrison's efforts to bring those to justice who killed JFK. Just last night I read about a map of the downtown Dallas sewer system being found in their apartment when searched.

Curious coincidence.

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Postby H_C_E » Tue May 15, 2007 9:57 am

Update:

I went back and found the page in question. On page 208 of "A Farewell to Justice" it states that then Dallas PD police captain Will Fritz stated that they found a map of the Dallas\Dealy Plaza sewer system in the apartment of CIA operative Sergio Arcacha Smith.

For what it is worth.

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Postby zuestorz » Sat May 19, 2007 4:23 am

Thanks for that HCE, it's worth a lot. The notion of an assassin shooting from a sewer or drain is still open to lots of questions depending on which street such a position was located. The location is cited in this thread.

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=1161&hl=Drain&st=15

IMHO this is the best on-line resource discussing the JFK assassination. I go there to research some related issue and in trawling through the hundreds of pages of posts invariably get diverted on to some other aspect. :lol:
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Postby H_C_E » Sat May 19, 2007 10:01 pm

The site you mentioned is one of the few JFK assassination sites of quality.

On the subject of the storm drain, Iwas looking at some pictures at the Lancer site of photos taken from the drain in question. I have to say I don't believe it possible to make any sort of succesful shot from that location. The photos from *inside* the storm drain show a view in which no traffic on elm street is even visible.

I'm still of the knoll fence\southwest TSBD window\Dal-Tex triangulation scenario myself.

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Postby zuestorz » Sun May 20, 2007 4:09 am

H_C_E wrote: . . .
I'm still of the knoll fence\southwest TSBD window\Dal-Tex triangulation scenario myself.
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That is difficult to dispute in my view. Anyway, it is a reasonable working hypothesis one that accommodates eyewitnesses, what we now know about trajectories, bullet fragments, wounds.

I've recently started to become intrigued by the contemporary reports of a blood spatter outside the TSBD and the early media reports that a secret service member was also killed. Reports that were overshadowed by the overwhelming nature of the central event and receded into the background; The apparent disappearance of one such agent (was it 'Rip' Robertson ?); the nagging inconsistencies surrounding the Tippett killing (not the least being the original account provided by the 'first' witness at the scene). These are just some of the issues that grab my interest surrounding the scene of the crime, or should that be scenes of the crimes.

Although all of that, it has to be said, provides a massive distraction to the most important aspects of the crime which relate to commission and omission or, planning and cover-up.
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Postby H_C_E » Sun May 20, 2007 2:53 pm

I've never considered the blood splatter issue much, although it was just brought to my attention yesterday via a JFK forum I joined. And despite all of the reading I've done so far, I hadn't heard about the SS agent that was killed. That raised my eyebrow a bit.

You're absolutely right about so much of what surrounds this issue serving as distraction. That's why I try to filter out the more 'fringy' aspects of the assassination. I'm almost finished with "A Farewell to Justice" and about to start "Someone would Have Talked." I'm lead to believe that the latter title will seperate the wheat from the chaff and distill what is now known after forty years down to the essential elements.

All in all, it's fascinating reading and studying JFK's murder (not to sound morbid) and all of the events surrounding it. Clancey et al, couldn't have written a political intruige this dense, complex and compelling.

What makes it all even weirder is that I was born, raised and lived in Dallas for thirty-one years and have just now taken an interest after having moved away. But to know and be able to clearly see in my head where this all occured makes it a tad spooky.

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Postby Oyeboten » Mon Aug 17, 2009 2:38 am

I wish he would have also Remote-Viewed the shooting of Officer Tippets...and, the Oswald-looking person the Police escourted from the Theater's rear exit...and...the movements of Jack Ruby on 12/22...
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Re: Remote Viewing Dallas

Postby John Judge » Thu Jan 07, 2010 11:50 pm

I don't put much stock in remote viewing as a source for this "insight", perhaps Obscure Reading might fit. All the early researchers, including Mae Brussell, Penn Jones, and Jim Garrison believed that the fatal head shot came from the storm sewer drain hole on the north side of Elm Street to the right front of the motorcade at frame Z-313, the fatal head shot. Mark Lane and others moved the location up to the Grassy Knoll in the late 60s and it has stuck. I happen to believe that the best evidence points to the storm sewer, a good hidden military location. I think the gun involved may have been a .38 caliber pistol not a rifle, since a .38 shell was found on the south side of Elm and pocketed by an unidentified FBI agent who can be seen pocketing it in photos by a Dallas Morning News reporter, a bullet never to be seen again. Penn Jones ran the photos in his book Forgive My Grief. On the 30th anniversary of the JFK assassination a candlelight vigil was held on the Grassy Knoll at night and I took a single candle down to the sewer instead. Here are my reasons for thinking it was the actual source of the shot, regardless of claims that the windshield would have blocked the shot, etc.

It is a good, covert location for the shot allowing quick escape. The sewer has been altered over the years and the open manhole cover used to come to my armpits, now to my waist, but at the time it provided a long drain opening (6 feet or more) not obstructed by subsequent tarring built up over the years in repairs and for Stone's film, and ample room to crouch inside with a clear view up Elm Street for the shot.

The drain pipe, large enough for a small man to crawl through, goes northward and intersects with a vertical pipe that opens under a drain cover at the intersection of the railroad overpass abutment and the picket fence atop the Knoll. At least one credible witness saw a man passing a gun to someone inside that drain after the shooting from across the railroad tracks. The north route of the pipe comes out at the Trinity River plain, where some information suggests a plane was landed to pick up escaping gunmen. Taken across the street to south Elm, Penn Jones told me he crawled east and upward on Elm and came out at a grate in the basement of the Dallas Jail where both Oswald was killed and Ruby got his cancer.

While people saw smoke rise from the Grassy Knoll area and saw shooters up there at the time, there were people in the motorcade who reported smelling gunpowder smoke inside the cars, including Governor Connelly, and some of the Secret Service agents in the rear of the president's car. The Grassy Knoll smoke rose up over the trees according to S.M. Holland and other eyewitnesses. This gunsmoke was drawn out of the sewer, in my view, by the passage of earlier motorcade cars and smelled by the people in the cars further back.

Eye- and earwitnesses in the area reported hearing final shots that sounded different than the others and echoed. It is also possible that the sewer shot was done with a silencer, since not all the other guns were silenced by any means. Lots of people heard shots from multiple directions and some may have been for distraction. Secret Service agent Kellerman, in the front right seat of Kennedy's limousine, heard a "flurry of shots" according to his testimony and yelled "Get us out of here!" to the driver, who had been braking the car during the events after the first shot, counter to training to speed up at the sound of gunfire. His action has been speculated on by some as a response to shots he thought were coming from the front of the motorcade or on the railroad overpass.

The physical effect of the fatal head shot drives Kennedy back and to the left, at over 100 mph accelerating at over 100 feet per second/per second. Far too fast for "jet effect" or for Jackie to have pushed him, as one counter-critic speculated. Watch the Zapruder film closely. Kennedy is also lifted up out of his seat by the shot. A shot from the Grassy Knoll would have driven him down into the seat and back.

The best X-ray and other autopsy evidence we have indicates that his aide Malcolm Kilduff was right at the press conference that day at Parkland Hospital to put his finger to the right front temple as the point of entry. All the doctors at Parkland and other medical personnel who saw the exit wound state that it was a large flap at the back and atop the skull. also consistent with an upward trajectory from the sewer.

On the 40th anniversary, the only motorcade Dallas police escort still living who was in the event, Billy Hargis recounted his stark memory of that day in the Dallas Morning News. He was on a moving motorcycle at the left rear of JFK's limousine. He said that the skull and brain matter went up in an arc and came down on him. It hit him so hard, through his leather jacket, that he stopped the motorcycle and asked "Am I hit?" This is also consistent with a shot from below.

One skull fragment was found on the south side of Elm Street well behind the limousine position. A .38 bullet was picked up on the South side of Elm near the opposite storm sewer in the aftermath of the shooting. Jackie climbed out of the limousine to retrieve a part of JFK's skull on the rear trunk, and held onto it for a long time afterward. All of this is still consistent with a right to left, front to back trajectory and also upward in my view.

As to the identity of the gunmen, that sort of information rarely gives us much to work with even if we could confirm it. None of the shots came from Lee Harvey Oswald or his alleged weapon, that much is for sure. He did not fire a gun that day, he was as he said "a patsy". Gunmen are generally cutouts who will not know or cannot tell who hired them for the job. There is one interesting account by Mikhael Medvedev in "Treason is My Daily Bread" which came out in England in the 80's, long after the sewer shots were forgotten (until History Channel's "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" revived the claim by pretending to discover it through another self-aggrandizing researcher who crawled through the pipes for them. Medvedev claims to have worked for both Soviet and German intelligence at different points during WWII and then being folded into the Gehlen Organization (General Reinhard Gehlen, head of Hitler's intelligence network for Armies East, who knew far more about the Soviet Union than American OSS did or British, having cross penetrated the KGB and Nazi spies who shared the White Russian and "Solidarist" agenda of reclaiming the throne for the Russian monarchy and ending the spread of Bolshevism forever. Gehlen was approached by spymaster Allen Dulles before the end of the war with a surrender offer which he accepted. He brought documents and hundreds of Nazi spies for surrender at the Swiss Border and was "captured" by the aide-de-camp to American General Thrasher, Clay Shaw, who later appears as one of the main suspects in the Garrison prosecution. Shaw is now known to have been a witting CIA informant and operative abroad through Permindex and Centro Commerciale Mondiale (World Trade Center, in New Orleans, in Dallas and in New York City - ring any bells?). CIA director Bobby Inman admitted in public that Gehlen's spies, who came to the US, were the foundation of our CIA and the Cold War. Gehlen himself headed up post-war German Intelligence, thereby linking almost every important spy agency that existed to manipulate world events). Medvedev claims that Gehlen had him working in South America when he was asked to travel to Dallas and shoot a man in a motorcade from a storm sewer. Maybe he is just like the rest of the "I killed Kennedy" canaries that sing from the songbook of our years of research, adding verisimilitude to a lie. Maybe not. The lack of credence in the storm sewer shot by that time and the relative total obscurity of his account argue for another interpretation. Mae Brussell certainly thought so, and wrote about this and many other links to Gehlen in "The Nazi Connection to the JFK Assassination" in The Rebel long ago. Some of her work is online now.

You don't answer the question of "Who Killed Kennedy?" by identifying gunmen and shot trajectories. You only need shots coming in two directions to posit a conspiracy. It's not "how" that matters, as Mr. X says to Garrison in "JFK" it's "who and why". To pretend that this is still an inscrutable mystery at this late date, or some form of dilettante gossip that allows permanent agnosticism is not only wrong-headed it is fatal to democracy itself. We not only could have known, we were told loud and clear that it came from the highest levels of control in the government by the flawed investigation, the total capitulation of the press to the official version for all these years, and the absurdly composed Warren Commission which included Allen Dulles, fired by Kennedy for the Bay of Pigs, among other luminaries who were busy covering up the truth. Not even the investigative staffs could agree with the Report draft, which was written by Rudolph Otto Winnacker, one of 26 official historians for Hitler's Reich, brought instead to the Army Historical Division by General MacArthur's intelligence director Charles Willoughby and hidden there to write the history of WWII and later of the JFK assassination. It might just be coincidence that his working partner in the project was still at the Army Historical Division into the 2000s, Alfred Goldberg, who in his 90s by then wrote the official AHD report on the attack on the Pentagon on 9/11.

The patsy is a much more reliable source to identify the plotters involved in the conspiracy since they have their hands all over him. Oswald's extensive background in Naval Intelligence, his phony defection to the Soviet Union and his double planted in Mexico City weeks before the assassination to link him to Castro, were all part of the implementation of Operation Northwoods, a plan proposed by the Joint Chiefs and rejected by Kennedy to create a traumatic national incident that could possibly be blamed on Castro to allow a military invasion that had been desired since Kennedy refused to call in air cover during the intentionally failed Bay of Pigs operation. His death was a military coup-detat to overthrow Castro, stop a detente with the Soviet Union and maintain the nuclear testing and arms race, and to stay in Vietnam, reversing Kennedy's clear orders to pull out by the end of 1964. It prevented him from "scattering the CIA to the four winds". Oswald's survival in the arrest at the Texas Theater prevented the planned and already staged invasion since he was a talking head not a dead Red and could blow the operation by speaking. He was silenced by Jack Ruby instead before going to trial and the only source of his statements while still alive are recorded from press conferences and other testimony by Mae Brussell in "The Last Words of Lee Harvey Oswald" printed in People's Almanac 2 by the Wallaces. Castro's prescient analysis three days later appears in "History Will Not Absolve Us" by Dr. Martin Schotz as well. "Spy Saga" by Phil Melanson will deconstruct Oswald for you. To get the whole picture read Jim Douglass's "JFK and the Unspeakable" to get up to speed. You don't need remote viewing to solve the Kennedy assassination, just common sense and reading ability. Nuff said?
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Re: Remote Viewing Dallas

Postby John Judge » Fri Jan 08, 2010 12:02 am

Two more quick sources for who killed JFK?
False Mystery by Vincent Salandria
Yankee/Cowboy War by Carl Oglesby
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Re: Remote Viewing Dallas

Postby elfismiles » Fri Jan 08, 2010 11:22 am

Howdy and welcome Mr. John Judge!

We met back in 2002 at the COPA conference.

Thank you for joining this forum and voicing your voluminous research on the Kennedy assassination.

I've posted some of my video from that 2002 COPA Conf online here:

John Judge on Jonestown (informal talk)
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/5730102/15009882

T. Carter - parapolitical investigator and 911 stewardess
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 0927221858

Dick Gregory on COPA 911 panel 2002 part 1
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 3155227066

On the subject of Remote Viewing: while I find it a real and useful tool, far too often it is used on targets that can not be verified and are thus prone to all sorts of mental chaff.

I'll be interviewing former military remote viewer Paul Smith on my radioshow this Sunday night from 7-9pm CST. Perhaps I'll ask for his thoughts on trying to RV targets such as past assassination victims.

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Re: Remote Viewing Dallas

Postby sunny » Fri Jan 08, 2010 4:04 pm

John Judge wrote:To pretend that this is still an inscrutable mystery at this late date, or some form of dilettante gossip that allows permanent agnosticism is not only wrong-headed it is fatal to democracy itself. We not only could have known, we were told loud and clear that it came from the highest levels of control in the government by the flawed investigation, the total capitulation of the press to the official version for all these years, and the absurdly composed Warren Commission which included Allen Dulles, fired by Kennedy for the Bay of Pigs, among other luminaries who were busy covering up the truth.


I totally agree, and welcome to RI John Judge.

To get the whole picture read Jim Douglass's "JFK and the Unspeakable" to get up to speed.


There is a thread on "JFK and the Unspeakable" in General Discussion, possibly still on the front page, as we speak. I'd love to read your thoughts there.
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Re: Remote Viewing Dallas

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Re: Remote Viewing Dallas

Postby zuestorz » Sat Jan 09, 2010 1:06 pm

Thanks to all for a more than comprehensive answer in response to the original question.
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Re: Remote Viewing Dallas

Postby chump » Sat Jan 09, 2010 1:34 pm

What a treat! JJ is one of the most understandable, thoroughly knowledgable researcher's that I am aware of; and he just addressed one of the mysteries of that day in Dallas that I've wondered about for a long time. Thank you John Judge!

I'd just like to add that the photgraphic analysis done by Tom Wilson that I saw on the History Channel's, The Men Who Killed Kennedy, is what convinced me that the head shot that killed JFK came from the sewer storm drain. I read on the Internet that Bill Bonanno, in his book, Bound by Honor, says that Johnny Roselli told him that he fired the fatel shot from the storm drain. In the book Double Cross I read that Sam Giancanna told his brother Chuck that Johnny Roselli coordinated the hit on JFK with the CIA.

I've long been curious about that storm drain, but I can't seem to get a fix on where it is in the pictures and who was surrounding it at the time of the assassination. I think it is the same storm drain where Clyde Haygood parked his motorcycle after the shooting -

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Where is it in relation to a these guys?

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Who are those guys? Also, is it near where Jack Ruby was seen in a pickup truck by a female eye witness? (as depicted in the movie JFK)
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