Another banker drops dead: ex-ECB CEO Duisenberg

by **emad** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 11:46 am

Ex-ECB chief found dead in pool Wim Duisenberg, the former head of the European Central Bank, has been found dead in a pool at his villa in south-east France, French police say. He drowned following cardiac problems at his home in the town of Faucon, a regional prosecutor says. The former Dutch finance minister was the ECB's first president, and oversaw the introduction of the single European currency, the euro. The 70-year-old had stepped down in 2003 after five years in the job. Under Mr Duisenberg, the euro evolved from being only a market-traded currency into coins and notes in the pockets of 300 million people in 12 European countries. Current ECB President Jean-Claude Trichet called the death a "terrible loss". 'Mr Euro' Born in 1935, Mr Duisenberg worked for the International Monetary Fund before serving as his country's finance minister from 1973 and 1977. A member of the Dutch Labour Party, his views on responsible economic management changed. Later in life, he preferred strong fiscal discipline rather than a strategy of promoting growth through major public spending. Germany and France - the two biggest eurozone economies - wrangled over Mr Duisenberg's appointment in 1998, and over who should succeed him. Mr Duisenberg became first ECB president with strong German backing - with Mr Trichet being named as his successor at the same time as part of a Franco-German deal to share power. The shift to euro notes and coins took place on 1 January 2002, and was feted with firework displays and street parties in some European cities. The ECB cut interest rates in the euro countries to their lowest level since the World War II under Mr Duisenberg. But critics said the slowdown in the eurozone would not have been so severe if he had cut rates sooner and more aggressively. <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4733081.stm">news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4733081.stm</a>

by **emad** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 11:48 am

Euro has 'screwed us' By MICHAEL LEA European Correspondent ITALIAN Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi has admitted the euro “screwed everybody”. Berlusconi, who is also a billionaire media mogul, yesterday said consumers had been “ripped off” after joining the single currency. And he blamed it for plunging Italy into recession with soaring prices and unemployment. Mr Berlusconi faces an election battle against euro champion and former EU Commissioner Romano Prodi next year. Yesterday the outspoken PM raged: “Prodi’s euro has screwed everybody. "Italy is not a disaster — but Prodi’s euro has ripped us all off.” When Italy switched to the euro in 2000 many businesses used the changeover as cover to hike their prices. A recent poll found 27 per cent of Italians want to return to the lira. The euro is also causing problems in Germany and France — with unemployment at 11.8 and 10.2 per cent respectively. Last night Tory shadow Chancellor George Osborne said: “Mr Berlusconi has blown the gaff on the euro and shown it up for the disaster it is. “This shows how right we were to insist we keep the Pound and, with it, control of our own economy.” <a href="http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005340769,00.html">www.thesun.co.uk/article/...69,00.html</a>

by **hmm** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 12:02 pm

Its a war,and to see "Gladio-land" joining the euro "scuffle" at this point in time adds to my suspicions.. <a href="http://p097.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm10.showMessage?topicID=148.topic">p097.ezboard.com/frigorou...=148.topic</a>

by **rain** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 12:49 pm

hmm, you might find this interesting <a href="http://www.policestateplanning.com/chapter_6_.htm">www.policestateplanning.c...ter_6_.htm</a>

by **emad** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 1:07 pm

Thankx. This show will go on and on and on and on....

by **antiaristo** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 5:49 pm

How quickly people forget! What were Lira interest rates? Around fifteen percent? I wonder what Mr Berlusconi thinks would happen to the Italian property market were he to introduce an Italian currency.

by **hmm** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 7:39 pm

stories.. *bursts bloodvesel* i could and often do rant for days about the evils of privatisation, thats ours we payed for it! And for any non-ex-commies out there the means of production and the public services are a national security issue! Imagine commies or muslim terrorists owned your water supply? :P

by **hmm** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 10:09 pm

This is from a Dutch newspaper interview This site requires registration but is the primary source: <a href="http://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/1122793225161.html">www.volkskrant.nl/binnenl...25161.html</a> this site reports on the story from the volkskrant: <a href="http://www.nu.nl/news/567343/10/Wim_Duisenberg_overleden_%28video%29.html">www.nu.nl/news/567343/10/...eo%29.html</a> Now both these reports are in dutch and i havent found this in english yet.(well it was on a conspiracy site but they had a babblefish translation and no primary source for the interview) this is the rough gist of what was reported: It is the wife who found him,and in the house not in the pool. This is told as she being annoyed the french authorities put out a statement without contacting the family. Gretta says she presumes he died of a heart attack but no autopsy has been performed as yet. This is followed by a police statement that theorising about conspiracies should be completely rejected. Thought you might be interested as i had not seen this in the english speaking press yet.. on edit: forgot to mention that the volkskrant has a similar editorial stance and tone as say the independant or the guardian does in the uk. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p097.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=hmm@rigorousintuition>hmm</A> at: 8/1/05 8:40 pm

by **Qutb** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 10:29 pm

Rain Thanks for that! (I'm at chapter 7 so far) Not much I didn't know already, really, but a very nice synopsis and a few details that were new to me, like Edouard de Rothschild's ownership of French leftists newspaper Libération. I wondered why they were so out of touch with "the people" and especially the left during the run-up to and after the French referendum on the EU constitution (very pro-EU, though with some dissenting staff). I didn't agree with everything there, like the use of the word "socialist", but that's not really important. I also didn't know about Vladimir Bukovsky and the "EUSSR" stuff. It does seem like the plan around 1990 was to partition the world into three big federations controlled by the US, the EU and Japan, under the umbrella of the UN. This was Poppy's New World Order the way it was envisaged at the time. The Trilateral Commission seems to have played a prominent role in that (now abandoned?) design, more than I think they do today. Interestingly, the "neo-cons" were among those advocating federalist world government back then, which is somewhat different from the US world domination they are calling for today. Irving Kristol called for a strong UN in the editorial pages of the Wall Street Journal, which would have been unthinkable today, nowadays they seem want the UN to be destroyed once and for all. What may caused this shift in outlook/strategy? Bill Clinton and Boris Yeltsin were probably chosen to enact this scheme, but they never really got that far. At some point confrontation with Russia was chosen over cooperation/integration. I think we can pinpoint the moment to about 1997, when Zbigniew Brzezinski wrote his "Grand Chessboard", the PNAC was formed, and Tony Blair took office. Two years later Brzezinski protege Madelaine Albright and Tony Blair brought us the war on Serbia, during which the world probably was closer to nuclear war than it has been since the Cuban missile crisis. What has happened since - the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, the establishment of bases in Central Asia - is really an implementation of the Brzezinski-PNAC plan and a continuation of the policies of the late Clinton era. I wonder if the shift in policy - from UN-administred World Government to US World Domination - represents a shift in power from one elite faction to another, a shift in strategy to obtain an aim which remains the same, or something else.

by **Peachtree Pam** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 5:27 am

Qutb, Emad Don't know anything about this site, but some info is there on the possible reason for the death (murder?) <a href="http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index790.htm">www.whatdoesitmean.com/index790.htm</a>

by **Qutb** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 11:45 am

I would put "info" in quotation marks...<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/grin.gif ALT=" >D"> Sorcha made it up, as per usual. If you want to know what something does NOT mean, Sorcha Faal is your woman. I have to say, the "Israel did it" theory regarding 9/11 has to be the least probable of all, including the official story. Did Israel schedule 6-7 terror drills on 9/11, mirroring the real plot? Did Israel help 15 of the hijackers/patsies obtain US visas in the consulate in Jeddah? Did Israel protect them during their sejour in the US? Did Israel hire Ptech to provide specialized "enterprise architecture" software to just about every federal agency? Did Israel dupe the suicide pilots into killing themselves for the Mossad, or alternatively, if one believes in remote control, did the IDF steer the planes from Israel or from secret bases in the US? I know that some theorize that the neo-cons/Zionists in the government have functioned as Israeli moles to accomplish all this, but that explanation sems very improbable to me. Furthermore, has Israel really benefitted from 9/11? They have been forced to evacuate from the Gaza strip, and the consensus view in Europe and partly in the US is that Islamic terrorism cannot be defeated before a real Palestinian state is established. I can't see how Israel has benefitted in any way from 9/11. The US military-industrial complex, on the other hand, has benefitted plenty. The attack enabled the imperial ambitions of Zbigniew Brzezinski to be implemented. They enabled the first step towards a police state at home to be implemented. As an illustration of Sarcha's dishonesty, she conveniently doesn't mention that Paula Stern, whom she quotes about "Sharon's evil policies", is writing about the evacuation of the Israeli settlers from Gaza. I'm no friend of Sharon and his policies, but this is one policy that I do agree with. It's the first step towards a two-state solution to the Israel-Palestine problem. Of course the apartheid wall should be teared down and the illegal confiscation of Palestinian land end, but the Gaza pull-out is a necessary first step, though it may perhaps be the last if the current climate in Israel is any indication of the resistance that would be mounted against an evacuation of the West Bank. The people in orange t-shirts, like Paula Stern, get no sympathy from me. And Sarcha's comment to Stern's ramblings: "To such a spectacle it now seems assured that the world will indeed be seeing, but equally true will be a world unprepared for the cataclysmic consequences soon to follow these events" Sure, whatever. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">

by **hmm** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 1:43 pm

again only in dutch,from the same paper that published her previous statement. primary source (registration required): <a href="http://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/1122874216610.html">www.volkskrant.nl/binnenl...16610.html</a> article discussing retraction: <a href="http://www.planet.nl/planet/show/id=62967/contentid=605505/sc=49bd5e">www.planet.nl/planet/show.../sc=49bd5e</a> In my previous post on Gretta she stated that duisenberg died in the house and not in the pool and that the french authorities had not contacted her before making their "pool statement". Now she retracts that statement saying that the french police and prosecutors asked her to make that statement as they were still busy investigating the cause of death. Now this is strange,the french did or did not contact her? I think her 2nd statement is even more confusing than the first. on edit:forgot to add that she states the cause of death is now known to be a heart attack (he was 70) Edited by: <A HREF=http://p097.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=hmm@rigorousintuition>hmm</A> at: 8/2/05 11:53 am

by **emad** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 3:24 pm

Former ECB Chief Duisenberg Found Dead By JAMEY KEATEN The Associated Press Sunday, July 31, 2005; 7:01 PM PARIS -- Wim Duisenberg, the former European Central Bank chief who helped create the euro currency, was found dead Sunday in his swimming pool in southeastern France, officials said. He was 70. An autopsy showed Duisenberg had drowned after an unspecified cardiac problem, a regional prosecutor said. He was found unconscious in the swimming pool at his home in the town of Faucon and could not be resuscitated, police said. Duisenberg "died a natural death, due to drowning, after a cardiac problem," said Jean-Francois Sanpieri, a state prosecutor in the nearby town of Carpentras. He did not give further details about the autopsy. <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/31/AR2005073100340.html">www.washingtonpost.com/wp...00340.html</a>

Another banker drops dead: ex-ECB CEO Duisenberg

Another banker drops dead: ex-ECB CEO Duisenberg

Duisenberg sweet irony: Euro has screwed us all - Berlusconi

Re: the USA's puppets are trying to screw the Euro?

privatisation

Re: privatisation

Lira

Re: privatisation -aaah dont show a ex-commie privatisation

emad,Duisenberg's wife reports finding him in the house

Re: privatisation

Death of Duisenberg

Re: Ah, Whatdoesitmean...

Re: Duisenberg's wife retracts story in a odd way

WaPo 31/7:autopsy = drowning after cardiac problem

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