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Expert predicted 'cluster' of school shootings

Postby Pissed Off Cabbie » Wed Oct 04, 2006 9:10 pm

Expert predicted 'cluster' of school shootings<br><br><br><br>Monday's shooting makes six school shootings in the past six weeks in North America, but an expert says it's no tragic coincidence.<br><br>Loren Coleman, behavioral expert and author of Copycat Effect, predicted a continued cluster of school shootings after the Dawson College shooting on September 13. <br><br>In a September 18 email to CTV, Coleman said, "I predict that this week or next, there may be another major 'going postal' workplace rampage or school shooting."<br><br>While Coleman's email may now seem eerily prophetic, he told CTV.ca his prediction two weeks ago was simply the result of observing patterns among widely-publicized events.<br><br>According to Coleman, the first shooting in the current cluster happened August 26, 2006 in Essex, Vermont. Christopher Williams, 27, went into a school looking for his ex-girlfriend, a teacher. He never found her, but killed another teacher, and wounded one more. He ultimately shot himself twice in the head.<br><br>The next cluster killing happened in Hillsborough, North Carolina, six days later. A 19-year-old man was arrested after the shooting death of his father. Eight shots were also fired in Hillsborough's Orange High School. Two students were wounded.<br><br>Dawson Raised Red Flag<br><br>On September 13, a third shooting occurred when 25-year-old Kimveer Gill stormed Montreal's Dawson College, and sprayed students with bullets, killing 18-year-old Anastassia De Sousa before turning the gun on himself.<br><br>Coleman immediately began pointing out similarities between that high-profile shooting and the previous two. <br><br>According to Coleman, the size and time of the cluster can depend on the amount of media coverage. The Dawson College shooting received a tremendous amount of attention. When he sees an event like that, he immediately considers the possibility of more, as he indicated to CTV. <br><br>His predictions came to life, two weeks later.<br><br>On September 27, 53-year-old drifter Duane Morrison entered a Bailey, Colorado high school. He took six female students hostage, and sexually assaulted them before killing 16-year-old Emily Keyes and killing himself.<br><br>Two days later, in Cazenovia, Wisconsin, a school principal was shot and killed. A ninth grader has been charged with that murder.<br><br>Then, three days later came the shooting in Amish country, the deadliest of the cluster with five dead. Coleman says violent offenders, intent on shocking the public, sometimes "compete for the highest body count."<br><br>Why Schools?<br><br>"Disturbed individuals choose schools because that's the pattern put in front of them, either by reading about it or hearing about it," says Coleman, "it's a location of opportunity. [Charles Carl Roberts] lived a mile away, he delivered milk there. It had nothing to do with any hatred of the Amish."<br><br>Coleman says most people who encounter adversity will turn to friends, or look for someone to talk to, like a minister. But because school shooters don't have an outlet for their problems, they mimic a school shooting they see on television as an outlet for their self-hatred. And the similarities between the perpetrators are significant.<br><br>"One hundred percent of these people are suicidal. One hundred percent of these people are male. Most of them are Caucasian. They're outsiders. They almost always target the same group, authority figures and girls. If you pull suicide so far inward, it turns to homicide."<br><br>Coleman says school shootings occurred as early as the 1970s, but the last significant cluster involved the now historic Columbine High School shootings in Littleton, Colorado, followed by a school shooting in Taber, Alberta, only a week later.<br><br>Coleman hopes we've seen the last school shooting, but says it would not surprise him to see more this fall. He says that while the Pennsylvania shootings may not be the last in this cluster, the copycat crimes will likely slow down as we near winter. He says spring, and the anniversary of Columbine, could be enough to spark another cycle of tragedy.<br>.<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20061003/cluster_shootings_061003/20061003/">www.ctv.ca/servlet/Articl.../20061003/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Expert predicted 'cluster' of school shootings

Postby dbeach » Wed Oct 04, 2006 9:27 pm

beat me to da draw dude.<br><br>anywho ..never had much faith is the experts..<br><br>course anybody who hangs with the man to me is supect..<br><br><br>"I predict that this week or next, there may be another major 'going postal' workplace rampage or school shooting."<br><br><br>how does he know ?? can he predict the next bushie <br>psyche-ops extravaganza...???<br><br>Thanx for post<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Expert predicted 'cluster' of school shootings

Postby dugoboy » Wed Oct 04, 2006 9:34 pm

phew! thanks mr. expert for providing an explanation ! <br><br>the world makes sense again.<br><br>sheesh <p>___________________________________________<br>"BushCo aren't incompetent...they are Complicit!" -Me<br><br>"Speaking the Truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act" -George Orwell<br><br>"When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it - always." -Mahatma Gandhi</p><i></i>
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Re: Expert predicted 'cluster' of school shootings

Postby jingofever » Wed Oct 04, 2006 9:36 pm

This happens to be the same <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.lorencoleman.com/">Loren Coleman</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> of cryptozoological fame. I had no idea that he was an expert on this sort of thing. I thought he was all about bigfoot. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Expert predicted 'cluster' of school shootings

Postby dbeach » Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:07 pm

dugo ... <br><br>nice chuckle dude. <br><br><br>is bigfoot a red or dumocrat??? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Expert predicted 'cluster' of school shootings

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:08 pm

Of course one cork popping will set off a few others ready to go, too.<br><br>Brain science has confirmed we have mirror neurons that compel us to imitate what we see as an evolutionary mechanism to learn the survival behaviours of the rest of the visible tribe who are by definition 'survivors.' <br><br>Evoking response from people on the threshold of barely contained violence is the reason violent TV and movies haven't been contained more than they have.<br><br>For atleast twenty years studies have concluded that seeing violence produces violence in some of the observers. But only sexuality has been deemed 'unacceptable' and this suppression of natural urges produces violence, a win-win for the Pentagon. <br><br>Cultures where touching and sexuality is more common are less violent, too.<br><br>But a baseline of systemic violence is precisely what the Pentagon wants to preserve so there are always recruits ready to kill someone who 'deserves it' and this is also what the FBI and CIA want to validate their paychecks and status. Not most of those 'law and order' types but a core of rogues who keep that ball on the field so they all have a game to play.<br><br>Hence the hoax of the Cold War and the War on Terra.<br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Postby Pissed Off Cabbie » Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:17 pm

I could have predicted the same thing. The school shootings are back again, and are part of a campaign to enact a gun-grab.<br><br>Anyone who thinks otherwise should review Australia's gun-control laws enacted in the wake of the Port Arthur massacre. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Expert predicted 'cluster' of school shootings

Postby DireStrike » Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:40 pm

Well, as a depressed and occasionally suicidal caucasian male, I must say the idea seems kinda romantic. I guess I'm a product of my environment. Of course, a little critical thought reveals that nobody deserves to die... and certainly not the people killed in these cases.<br><br>Oh, but how I long for such a bad guy! If you can throw away your life nobly, it makes it much easier. It's probably wrong to think that way but... well, I guess I need a little more "touching and sexuality". <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :o --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/embarassed.gif ALT=":o"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>I think it's more a product of the visual medium itself that action movies involving violence are popular. I'm sure everyone has had violent fantasies, and probably before they were exposed to lots of violent movies. TV is a fantasy machine, a mass-hallucination device.<br><br>Not to say that the "Defense" types don't push the envelope as far as it goes. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Expert predicted 'cluster' of school shootings

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Thu Oct 05, 2006 8:00 am

I keep thinking of something I read about a serial killer toy set on sale in walmart of somewhere. this was at least 15 years ago that toy was apparantly on the market. It consisted of a mask and a fake rubber knife or something.<br><br>What were you saying about evolution and survival hugh?<br><br>Know about play being a way to prepare for adulthood?<br><br>I mean cowboys and indians is one thing (the cowboys shoot back for a start) - but playing Jason or Leatherface? Or ted bundy in his balaclava?<br><br>Thats pretty fucked up right there dude.<br><br>Then again ... when you were a teenage mutant wannabe ninja psycho didn't you have the urge to just go nuts on fuckwits (fuckwits being by definition the rest of "the world"), maybe thats just the outsider vibe. To be honest i am surprised it doesn't happen more often.<br><br>WE used to just listen to loud music, especially DK and stuff.<br><br>I dunno about listening to ICP and the like in that state of mind tho.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I think it's more a product of the visual medium itself that action movies involving violence are popular. I'm sure everyone has had violent fantasies, and probably before they were exposed to lots of violent movies. TV is a fantasy machine, a mass-hallucination device.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>First foreign lingo film I saw was some Hindu thing, faithful reproduction of some religious work or something. The only things i remember (I was about 3 or 8 or something) is an exotic set, exotic clothes, and rivers of blood as people chopped each other up with evil looking oriental bladed weapons.<br><br>About five years ago I told the old girl I remembered it, especially the blood. It really freaked her out. <br><br>But we didn't get a telly till I was about that age, and the stuff on the box in Tasmania at the time, well Dr Who was about as bad as it got.<br><br>By my teens in the 80s, (in Melb) I remember feeling disappointed if someone wasn't killed on the cop show or whatever was on at the time.<br><br>It seemed it just wasn't as cool if someone didn't get killed, usually a bad guy at the end...<br><br>Now I dunno what happened between the old Dr Who ( who had an awesome aversion to killing anything if he could get away with it), and my teens, maybe testosterone in huge doses? But something had changed the way i saw tv. Full on bloodlust was there, and probably still is.<br><br>Here's a thought...<br><br>You are playing Doom, or medal of honour, or quake 39 and suddenly whatever you are shooting at surrenders?<br><br>What do you do?<br><br>BTW Everyone deserves to die, but only of old age after a long, productive and pleasant, but challenging life. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Expert predicted 'cluster' of school shootings

Postby rain » Thu Oct 05, 2006 9:10 am

'Freaked Out' posted this in the comments on the blog.<br>i did a quick google and couldn't find it, so I've just copied it over.<br><br>"Loren Coleman has dealt with the Copycat Effect through his federal government funded research work, books, and media consultations for almost three decades. He is the author, coauthor, or editor of over 25 books, one of which is the acclaimed Suicide Clusters (Faber and Faber, 1987). The book was a Psychotherapy and Social Science Book Club selection, and Coleman appeared on many programs, including "The Larry King Show" discussing it. His work on the suicides of baseball players, specifically Angels pitcher Donnie Moore, has been covered in The New York Times, Sports Illustrated, and The Sporting News, plus on television programs such as ESPN’s SportsCenter (in 1989) and ESPN Classics (in 2001). His work has involved trainings and creation of manuals for law enforcement officers on forensic guidelines for child abuse and suicide investigations, and dealing with the media. He has appeared on National Public Radio, NBC-TV, and other media forums as an authority interviewee concerning Heaven’s Gate, Waco, Hemingway, and Columbine. Coleman has trained and consulted around the country and in Canada on suicide clusters and school violence, since the 1980s." <br><br>Uh huh.<br><br>is this the same 'big-foot / fortean' guy?<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Aussie gun grab

Postby blanc » Thu Oct 05, 2006 9:55 am

pissed off cabbie - see also Uk in wake of Dunblane. <br>gun grabbing law tightening serves best those to whom the legal possession of guns may one day pose a threat - see nazi occupation of france when possession of hunting rifle, grandad's old army pistol etc became illegal. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Aussie gun grab

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Thu Oct 05, 2006 10:03 am

Guns suck, learn how to turn your mobile phone into a neural disruptor (and I don't mean by making phone calls on it.) <p></p><i></i>
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