Spooked by a friend last night re: weather modification

by **FourthBase** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 3:51 pm

Talked with a friend (who I've always half-assedly suspected of being a spook) about weather modification among other things. He is in a unique position to know certain things we only speculate about. Anyway, I had the feeling the guy was going to whack me when I brought up an AP story about the modifications done to Hurricane Debbie in 1969. In the process of looking that up, I happened upon some sites I'm not sure I'd encountered before: <a href="http://www.weathermodification.org/">www.weathermodification.org/</a> <a href="http://www.weathermod.com/">www.weathermod.com/</a> <a href="http://www.usatoday.com/weather/resources/askjack/wfaqhurm.htm">www.usatoday.com/weather/...aqhurm.htm</a>

by **FourthBase** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 4:23 pm

<a href="http://www.weathermod.com/seeding_equipment.php">www.weathermod.com/seeding_equipment.php</a> I mean, hello people, does this ring a bell? "Racks for Burn-in-Place Flares" <img src="http://www.weathermod.com/images/bip_rack1.jpg"/> <img src="http://www.weathermod.com/images/bip_rack_both.jpg"/> Burn-in-Place Flares...hmmm...wonder if those look like contrails.

by **FourthBase** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 6:15 pm

Am I off on this one? Has this tree been barked up before? I'll tell you what, though, the prospect of being bludgeoned by a friend because you figure too much shit out and might tell too many people too successfully, and the prospect of creepy entities fucking with your psyche... It's enough to never think about the world too deeply again and to live like a normal schmuck. I'm not there yet, and I'm going to try my fucking hardest to do what I think is right and good, no matter what.

by **FourthBase** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 7:54 pm

Can anyone just quickly say whether those flares are possibly what we see up there?

by **FourthBase** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 8:37 pm

No one? <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/indifferent.gif ALT=":|">

by **marykmusic** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 8:48 pm

Flares? No, I don't think so. Flares look like fire, not like clouds. --MaryK

by **FourthBase** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 8:49 pm

Wouldn't the flares emit a smoky, cloud-like substance? And what's with the name on the flares, "Ice" whatever? Does that refer to whatever the ingredient is? I mean, this is a weather modification company. It uses these flares to seed clouds. Somehow these flares work. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=fourthbase>FourthBase</A> at: 10/27/05 6:52 pm

by **FourthBase** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 8:55 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>This rack, affixed to a WMI Cheyenne II turboprop, is sporting 150 gram glaciogenic pyrotechnics produced by Ice Crystal Engineering, LLC (ICE), of Davenport, ND. WMI uses exclusively ICE products.<hr></blockquote> <blockquote>Quote:<hr>This rack has the ability to hold a dozen flares. As you can see from the photo above, the rack is able to hold both hygroscopic and glaciogenic flares. The rack is easy to convert with minimal ground time.<hr></blockquote> WTF is "hygroscopic" and "glaciogenic"?

by **FourthBase** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:00 pm

<a href="http://www.iceflares.com/">www.iceflares.com/</a> <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Welcome to Ice Crystal Engineering Weather Modification Specialists Ice Crystal Engineering, LLC manufactures weather modification cloud seeding flares for hail suppression, rain enhancement, snow pack enhancement, and fog dispersion. We are atmospheric research specialists. If you're looking for the premier weather modification cloud seeding flare manufacturer in the world, you've come to the right place. ICE Ejectable and burn-in-place cloud seeding flares have been developed by a team of atmospheric research chemists and engineers who collectively have over 60 years of experience in the weather modification industry. ICE Weather modification cloud seeding flares are field proven on projects throughout the world to be extremely reliable and efficient. ICE Weather modification flares have been tested by the Cloud Simulation and Aerosol Laboratories Department of Atmospheric Science, Colorado State University, Fort Collins, Colorado, USA. ICE has researched and developed the most efficient and dependable hygroscopic flare in the world. ICE has designed and engineered a flare with the proper size and concentration of nuclei that is most desirable for hygroscopic seeding . <hr></blockquote> <img src="http://www.iceflares.com/images/ejectable.jpg" style="border:0;"/> <img src="http://www.iceflares.com/images/burn-in-place.jpg" style="border:0;"/> <img src="http://www.iceflares.com/images/hygroscopic.jpg" style="border:0;"/> What is CaCI2?

by **FourthBase** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:16 pm

<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hygroscopic">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hygroscopic</a> <a href="http://www.nap.edu/nap-cgi/skimit.cgi?isbn=0309090539&chap=89-106">www.nap.edu/nap-cgi/skimi...hap=89-106</a> "Appendix A: Glaciogenic and Hygroscopic Seeding: Previous Research and Current Status, pages 89-106" <a href="http://www.nap.edu/books/0309090539/html/89.html">www.nap.edu/books/0309090...ml/89.html</a> <a href="http://www.sandylandwater.com/ops.htm">www.sandylandwater.com/ops.htm</a> <a href="http://216.109.125.130/search/cache?p=glaciogenic&ei=UTF-8&fl=0&xargs=0&pstart=1&b=11&u=www.wmo.ch/web/arep/wmp/ECWPCCWM/DOCUMENTS/Doc4.1_terblanche.doc&w=glaciogenic&d=IZ0y32FULmxr&icp=1&.intl=us">216.109.125.130/search/ca...1&.intl=us</a> <blockquote>Quote:<hr>It is indeed rather concerning that as humankind moves into the 21st Century, facing a variety of environmental challenges, to report that the research into rainfall enhancement from mixed-phased clouds, has dwindled to probably the lowest levels since the advent of modern weather modification after WW2. Of further concern is the fact that new operational programs are still being initiated around the world without activities to strengthen the scientific base on which the technology is based.<hr></blockquote> <a href="http://metsys.weathersa.co.za/bprp_bg">metsys.weathersa.co.za/bprp_bg</a> <blockquote>Quote:<hr>The Bethlehem Precipitation Research Project had its origin in 1971 as the Bethlehem Weather Modification Experiment (BEWMEX).<hr></blockquote> And then Hurricane Debbie: <a href="http://www.usatoday.com/weather/research/2005-09-22-no-changing-hurricanes_x.htm">www.usatoday.com/weather/...anes_x.htm</a> <blockquote>Quote:<hr>The federal government's hurricane modification program was called Project Stormfury. The idea was raised during the Eisenhower administration after several major storms hit the East Coast in the mid-1950s, killing 749 people and causing billions in damages. But it wasn't until 1961 that initial tests were conducted on Hurricane Esther with a Navy plane releasing silver iodide crystals. Some reports indicate winds were reduced by 10% to 30%. During Stormfury, scientists also seeded hurricanes in 1963, 1969 and 1971 over the open Atlantic Ocean far from land. Researchers dropped silver iodide, a substance that serves as an effective ice nuclei, into clouds just outside of the hurricane's eyewall. The idea was that a new ring of clouds would form around the artificial ice nuclei. The new clouds were supposed to change rain patterns and form a new eyewall that would collapse the old one. The reformed hurricane would spin more slowly and be less dangerous. Sometimes, the experiments appeared to work. Hurricane Debbie in 1969 was seeded twice over four days by several aircraft. Researchers noted that its intensity waxed and waned by up to 30%.<hr></blockquote> <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Project Stormfury was abandoned in the 1980s after spending hundreds of millions of dollars.<hr></blockquote> My ass it was abandoned. Literally, quite possibly my own ass. Don't for a second think it was abandoned. You all know better anyway. <a href="http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/october2005/141005weather_modification.htm">www.prisonplanet.com/arti...cation.htm</a> <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Livingston was even invited to the White House where he briefed President Lyndon B. Johnson on the effectiveness of weather control activities. Livingston asserts that hurricane control was a national priority of the government in the 60s and they had the ability to do it at that time. That was 40 years ago. He now works with scientists and pilots at Weather Modification Inc., in Fargo, N.D. His research of hurricane control has been confirmed by the Stanford Research Institute. He has personally flown on 265 missions into the eyes of hurricanes and has gone on record as "most disgusted" with Hurricane Katrina because he knows that the storm itself could have been minimized.<hr></blockquote>

by **hmm** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:24 pm

weather modification has been openly researched for quite a while,it is one of those "holy grails" of science as unpredictable weather is a problem in food production, but most discoveries i have read about are only on a local scale or not very effective (from a economic point of view). hygroscopic is just a fancy word for something that soaks up water (from the air) and CaCl2 is calcium chloride which is a chemical that does just that, and it can also be used to melt ice. so it looks to me as if this company is in the rain making or cloud seeding business. <a href="http://ams.allenpress.com/amsonline/?request=get-abstract&doi=10.1175%2F1520-0477(2001)082%3C0903:ACAOGS%3E2.3.CO%3B2">ams.allenpress.com/amsonl...2.3.CO%3B2</a>

by **FourthBase** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:49 pm

Right but that's a small private company. As opposed to hundreds of millions of dollars in a top-secret government project. Combine the small reality of weather mod today, with the "small" reality of modifying Hurricane Debbie by 30% 36 years ago, and extrapolate. According to Livingston, they'd be using the same ingredients today as they did in the 50's and 60's. But they have to have better ingredients today, better tools. Plus, I don't think many people realize that weather modification is happening even on the small, acknowledged level of cloud-seeding and rain-making. What do the burn-in-place flares produce? Something like a trail of smoke?

by **nashvillebrook** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 10:09 pm

<a href="http://www.enterprisemission.com/weblog/weblog.htm">www.enterprisemission.com...weblog.htm</a> Hoagland's blog has lots of weather mod discussion. also see his Hurricanes series of essays: <a href="http://www.enterprisemission.com/hurricane1.htm">www.enterprisemission.com/hurricane1.htm</a> he connects HAARP technology and weather mod. also interested in anomalous radar reflections. lots of eager beavers over there doing some legwork an data collection. i know lots of ppl think Hoagie's a goob, but i have a soft spot for him. he's tenacious.

by **hmm** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 11:04 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>What do the burn-in-place flares produce? Something like a trail of smoke?<hr></blockquote> yes,or could produce fire. smoke is small particles of dust,in this case i think its the CaCl2 they refer to. im not an expert but if it has the effect they seem to want it to have and you where to see this in action from the ground it wouldnt need to look like smoke it could look like vapour as a result of the CaCl2 reacting with the water in the atmosphere. i thought it was pretty much common knowledge that weather modification has been researched for quite some time now. i agree with the "better ingredients and tools" comment but i also think you have to realise the level of coverup needed to pull this off on a large scale undetected and unreported (ie hurricane creation).

by **FourthBase** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 11:31 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>you have to realise the level of coverup needed to pull this off on a large scale undetected and unreported (ie hurricane creation).<hr></blockquote> I'm pretty sure I realized it last night.

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