chemtrail activity

by **marykmusic** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 2:12 pm

Professor Pan, I have a great deal of respect for what you write. But you are not required to believe in anything at all; whether or not Dr. Emoto's work is "real science" is something even he doesn't claim (according to the video about him that we have, "Messages from Water".) The program that uses chemtrails is also something you are not required to believe in; even my own daughter said to me, "Why would the government want to hurt us?" It's either huge or none of this is happening at all; there can't be a middle ground. As far as whether or not pendula work, that is up to an individual; I thought I made that rather clear. Just because you have a scientific-sounding description of how it happens, is no proof that it doesn't work (and you did admit that it works for some people; thanks for that.) You probably believe even less that there are ways to minimize chemtrail activity, so I won't go into how mind-power alone can create a break in a trail, simply by concentrating on it. --MaryK

by **thurnandtaxis** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 2:23 pm

I've been going back and forth over this myself and don't have much to say one way or the other. I've definately seen some weird "grids" in the sky though. However a friend of mine in Hawaii has his own theory. Or at least as my posting line says " a few thoughts towards a theory" : OK kids- lets go down the rabbit hole. Agent BZ (called QNB in civilian circles) is a chemical warfare agent developed in the 60's. It's primary activity is an anticholinergic agent that affects both the peripheral and central nervous systems. It basically blocks acetylcholine (ACh) receptors in the brain. It works in a similar fashion to atropine and scopolamine, which are active compounds found in certain ethnobotanicals like datura, jimson weed, etc. The 'desirable' effect of this compound is that it causes confusion, lethargy, discoordination, hallucinations, and anti-social behavior (the inability to follow or give orders and a general break down of military discipline). There is a more detailed overview of the compound here- <a href="http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic912.htm">www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic912.htm</a> This compound stays active for up to a month in a moist environment. It is easily aerosolized to spread from aircraft and can be dissolved in a variety of solvents (including the 'chemical syringe' DMSO, which is absorbed easily through the skin along with whatever is dissolved in it). It is considered 'safe' because the dosage is scalable depending on intensity of desired effect and the ratio of an effective dose to a lethal dose is 1:1,000. The U.S. military tested the use of this chemical in the Waiakea Forest Reserve and the Olaa Forest Reserve under the test name 'Tall Timber' and in conjunction with Sarin nerve agent under the test name 'Pine Ridge' in April - June of 1966. The use of this agent was suspected in the former Yugoslavia against fleeing civilian refugees. It was also claimed to be in Iraq's stockpile of chemical munitions. It has been speculated recently that it could be used domestically in an act of terrorism. ACh is a biochemical neurotransmitter in the brain that creates nerve impulses in neurons. In order for the nervous system to function properly, ACh has to find receptors in the brain. One of these receptors is called a nicotinic receptor. It responds to both ACh and nicotine. The use of tobacco actually increases the number of nicotinic receptors in the central nervous system, thus allowing for more ACh reception as well. Check this out- <a href="http://www.thehealthierlife.co.uk/article/3130/multiple-sclerosis-therapy.html">www.thehealthierlife.co.u...erapy.html</a> OK, now it's time for the paranoid ranting and wild speculation. Let's assume BZ or a similar, more refined compound were to be used not as a weapon against an enemy but as a control agent against a civilian population (maybe released from planes at high altitude in a grid pattern over major population centers in small threshold doses). The benefits would be general confusion, lack of energy and motivation, increased antisocial behavior (justifying more restrictions on liberty), and a general inability of the affected population to launch any effective resistance. If there was a readily available and widely used drug that would aid in counter-acting these effects, it would be in the interest of the government to precede this program with a comprehensive campaign to drastically limit the use of this drug. This would include raising the taxes on tobacco, using scare tactics and ambiguous statistical 'evidence' to encourage people to quit, banning smoking in many public and private places, attaching a social stigma to smokers making them outcasts, indoctrination of the youth against tobacco use, severely limiting the promotion and advertisement of smoking and related products, etc. Also, lecithin contains compounds which are precursors to ACh.An increase in the ACh levels could possibly help to counteract the effects of BZ and it's cousins. Eggs and wheat contain high levels of lecithin. It would benefit a government interested in using BZ as a control factor to promote dietary fads that would limit the consumption of these foods. Perhaps they would cite research claiming that cholesterol unhealthy to discourage egg consumption or promote a carbohydrate free diet to limit eating wheat products. Go here and look- <a href="http://www.wholehealthmd.com/refshelf/substances_view/1,1525,10040,00.html">www.wholehealthmd.com/ref...40,00.html</a> The following may or may not relate to this scenario- I wouldn't know- <a href="http://www.mult-sclerosis.org/Marijuana.html">www.mult-sclerosis.org/Marijuana.html</a> Of course our leaders would never consider using these tactics against us... would they?

by **no name** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 4:31 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Lately I've seen double streams coming out of both sides of the planes. For whatever reason, they seem to be stepping up the dosages of whatever they're spreading in spiderwebs all over the globe.<hr></blockquote> On a recent trip thru midwest I watched dozens of of these things overhead! I'd never seeen a plane make a pattern like that before. There was a "hole" in the trail where the plane was, at the forward end of the trail. looked sort of like the eye in a needle. Is that what you are describing? Also: definite "grid" patterns. Is it really a new phenomenon or is the "pattern" like a face in gnarled wood, mainly my own projection? I dunno. the chemtrail thing seems SO implausible, and people seem to freak out if you even point at an "odd" cloud pattern.

by **professorpan** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 5:17 pm

MaryKMusic, No offense taken. But Emoto passes his work off as legitimate -- as scientific. While I believe that the mind can affect the physical world (the PEAR experiments most convincingly prove this), I see no evidence that Emoto's experiments are valid. It's not a matter of belief, it's a matter of proof. Whether he calls it science or not, he is making claims that can be analyzed scientifically. As for chemtrails, increases in air traffic can easily account for the "grids" many people see. To clarify my thoughts on pedulums -- I am open to the possibility that a pendulum can provide psychological insight and perhaps tap into someone's intuitive abilities. But the action of the pendulum is an example of the ideomotor response. Ideomotor response can be very magical looking -- as "table tipping" for instance. But it's a physical mechanism. I did an experiment once when I was younger, after I read a book about "pendulum power." It was pretty simple -- a blind test with 2 opaque cups. I'd place a rock under one of the cups and had friends use a pendulum to determine which cup concealed the rock. The results were no greater than chance (which disappointed me).

by **Jimb0** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 5:44 pm

Wed. this week, got hit, lower NY state. Early morning: <a href="http://rentawebaddress.com/skies/">rentawebaddress.com/skies/</a> About mid morning: <a href="http://rentawebaddress.com/skies2/">rentawebaddress.com/skies2/</a>

by **Col Quisp** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 6:59 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>There was a "hole" in the trail where the plane was, at the forward end of the trail. looked sort of like the eye in a needle.<hr></blockquote> Yes, I guess you could describe it like that. Each wing has a double stream of trails though.

by **Col Quisp** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 7:18 pm

Here's a good website that discusses the difference: Excerpt: COUNTING CONTRAILS NASA Says Contrails Decreasing by William Thomas News item: NASA scientists say that despite a sharp increase in commercial air traffic over the United States in recent decades, contrails measured before the drastic decline in airline travel following 911 were already decreasing over the USA. Here is a chemtrails koan certain to help speed enlightenment: Conundrum: How can contrails be increasing when they are declining? Answer: When they are really chemtrails and not contrails at all. <a href="http://www.willthomas.net/Chemtrails/Articles/Counting_Contrails.htm">www.willthomas.net/Chemtrails/Articles/Counting_Contrails.htm</a> As Will Thomas explains, the trails are coming out of this plane's tail, with no contrails from their wing-mounted engines. where you would expect a regular contrail. <img src="http://www.willthomas.net/images/image9V9.jpg" style="border:0;"/>

by **otherGeoff** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 7:52 pm

Heavy trails this evening before dusk (I was out picking grapes in clear skies all day. Solid pattern, holding a long time, then gradually drifting to the south, spreading out like a lace curtain. Odd. GH

by **manxkat** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 9:08 pm

I just came across this by happenstance while looking at a couple of 9/11 videos at 911busters.com: <a href="http://911busters.com/chem_trails/index.html" target="top">Chem Trails Investigation Video</a> I'm only part way through, but it's pretty well done. I know nothing about the author or the production. Anyone know about or seen this video? UPDATE: Here's the website where the documentary originated: <a href="http://www.carnicom.com/" target="top">www.carnicom.com/</a> Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=manxkat@rigorousintuition>manxkat</A> at: 10/21/05 7:13 pm

by **rocco322** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 9:54 pm

There was major activity happening in California last weekend. All day on Saturday, jets were gridding way up above the clouds. I rarely get a plane overhead, but Saturday it was all day. By the afternoon there were huge chemtrails criss crossing in the path of the jet stream coming in from the (southwest) coast. Then, late Sunday night, I was woken up by a loud bang which was supposed to be thunder, but IMO, definitely was NOT. First off, when this "thunder" would boom, it sometimes would bang twice...Sometimes once. And very erratically. Short bursts or long drawn out doubles. Secondly, it wasnt following any pattern at all. You know when you count to see how far away the storm is? Well none of that was happening. Sometimes I'd see up to 30 lightning strikes before I would hear one crack of thunder. And the thunder magically would sound everytime the drizzle of rain would stop. Only to restart again after a couple of thunder claps. And speaking of the lightning, it appeared to be striking at the exact same two spots over and over. It also appeared to be emanating from the ground and fanning out sideways in different directions. I videotaped all of this and when I went to watch the tape the next morning, it showed two large translucent rainbow-hued pulses coming down from the clouds! They were not visible to my naked eye, but I must tell you, it felt very surreal and strange while I was filming. I sensed the air around me was very active, but I just put it off to the new rain and my imagination. Now that I've seen the video, I changed my mind. In fact, the video tape I used showed microwave distortion only during the 40 minutes of tape I used while filming the storm. The rest of the tape, as well as all other videos, played fine with no interference or distortion. Very strange. I even tried to email a few websites and offer the video, but I haven't heard back. I also took photographs of the chemtrails from earlier in the day that came out well. I just don't know who to send it to. Any ideas.?

by **mother** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 1:49 am

Chemtrails have got to be Bad Things, whatever they are and whatever their purpose is. After Hurricane Katrina we had no chemtrails for weeks here. The beauty was almost breathtaking, looking outside, being outside felt enchanted. I think that these things definitly literally cloud one's thinking and create sadness. We also had gorgeous, varied cloud formations during that time, just glorious. Now theyr'e back. It must be awesome to be able to be a cloud-buster! I think I'm more of a receiver-type than sender, if you know what I mean. Don't let em get you down, even though the creative blocks are pure hell.

by **professorpan** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 2:23 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Wed. this week, got hit, lower NY state. Early morning: rentawebaddress.com/skies/ About mid morning: rentawebaddress.com/skies2/<hr></blockquote> Those look like the same kinds of contrails I've seen all my life. Atmospheric variations account for the diverse appearances of contrails. I've talked to a pilot who flew jets in 'Nam when I first started hearing rumors of "chemtrails." He schooled me pretty quickly -- contrails can vary from minute to minute, depending on temperature, altitude, etc. Another thing to consider: There are hundreds of pilots in the flying aircraft every day. If there was a massive, illegal operation spraying odd looking chemical trails in the sky, how long do you think it would take before regular pilots started noticing them? And talking? Here's why I'm skeptical: I have seen contrails all my life that resemble the so-called chemtrails. I lived near an airport, and I've always found contrails to be interesting. When I visit chemtrail sites, and look at the photographic evidence, it looks no different than the variety of contrails I've always observed. There are more planes in the skies than ever before. Therefore, more contrails should be crossing the skies. A project that large and widespread is unlikely to remain unnoticed by the thousands of commercial and private pilots. If the chemtrails were so different from contrails, pilots would notice this and would talk about it. I have had discussions with a former pilot -- an Coast to Coast listener who is far less skeptical on most issues than I am -- and he says there is nothing to chemtrails. I'm open to any evidence that I'm wrong. But so far I haven't seen anything conclusive.

by **pugzleyca3** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 4:01 am

Now, this truly made me sad when I watched it. And it really is a magnificent example of the differences between contrails and chemtrails. The conclusion of this documentary is that the chemtrail operations will cause the planet to warm. I've been looking at several articles which claim that the earth will not (naturally) overheat, but just the opposite, that there will be another ice age. Before you say that global warming is scientifically accepted and univerally accepted (and call me crazy for going against this idea), look a little deeper and see if this is actually true. Is it possible that this operation is designed to warm the earth because another ice age is around the corner? Or is it just another government program(s) run amok? No matter what it is that is happening, this documentary shows that the powers that be are more than aware of what is taking place in our skies. The only problem with the theory of "they are doing it do dumb us down, make us sick or kill us" is that these same people not only live here on the same planet as the rest of us do, but breathe the same air and are faced with the same health crises and weather implications we are. So where does that leave us? Do they all take an antidote we are not privy to? My rigorous intuition tells me that there is something going on that these chemtrail spreaders are trying to prevent, not bring on. And that the terrible side effects are something that is worth it to keep on doing it. The only other alternate explanation is that they're all nuts. (so what's new about that?) For those of you who do not have time to watch all this video, I would suggest that you make time because it's important and well done. In the video, it mentions substances which look like spiderwebs on the ground. I've had these spiderwebs on my truck for as long as I can remember. And I just looked at the fan in my house, it's covered with the stuff. And when I dust, I am constantly wiping up this weird looking stuff, it looks like navy blue lint. I can actually see it accumulate on the back of the white porcelain toilet. Gwen Scott (former major media broadcaster for CNN) is in this video and she is also an ND. She gave some tips for fighting off the effects on your health. If for no other reason, watch the video for that. There's been blood tests run on people and everyone has a mold/fungus in their blood and she says it's from the chemtrails. I wonder what the top of my roof looks like... Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=pugzleyca3>pugzleyca3</A> at: 10/22/05 2:03 am

by **pugzleyca3** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 4:12 am

I have watched the skies all my life. Contrails disappear in a relatively short period of time. The ones I see here do not. They hang around all day long and muck up the sky to the point where I can't even see the mountains across the lake from where I live. It totally affects the blue sky and turns it white. And I've never seen grid patters, big fat roiling ones that spread out and never go away all day long like these trails do. I don't know what kind of conclusive evidence you are seeking, but I can tell you that many pilots have seen ufo's (I don't mean little green men and spaceships, I mean unidentifed objects and lights flying near their planes) and are afraid to talk about it for fear of losing their jobs. My x father-in-law flew for Pan Am for years and said he saw plenty of strange things in the skies, but never reported them. Besides, with the media blackout in this country, who is going to expose this? They won't even talk about 9/11 unless they are using it as an excuse to scare the shit out of everyone. If you haven't, watch the video, it's the best evidence I've seen and short of being able to physically test these cobweb things I find everywhere, that is as good as it gets for me. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=pugzleyca3>pugzleyca3</A> at: 10/22/05 2:15 am

by **Jimb0** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 9:28 am

professorpan: I would tend to agree overall with your assessment, the interesting part for me about the incident was that I do not live near an airport, and I have never seen that amount of air traffic here ever. A jet or helicopter once in a while, but nothing like this. And it was just for those few hours, then it stopped. Apparently, it appears there are in fact legitimate uses for 'spraying' and it does occur: <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15082100&query_hl=2">www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entr...query_hl=2</a> <blockquote>Quote:<hr> High level contamination by natural and industrial sources of the alkali earth metal, barium (Ba) has been identified in the ecosystems/workplaces that are associated with high incidence clustering of multiple sclerosis (MS) and other neurodegenerative diseases such as the transmissible spongiform encephalopathies (TSEs) and amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS). Analyses of ecosystems supporting the most renowned MS clusters in Saskatchewan, Sardinia, Massachusetts, Colorado, Guam, NE Scotland demonstrated consistently elevated levels of Ba in soils (mean: 1428 ppm) and vegetation (mean: 74 ppm) in relation to mean levels of 345 and 19 ppm recorded in MS-free regions adjoining. The high levels of Ba stemmed from local quarrying for Ba ores and/or use of Ba in paper/foundry/welding/textile/oil and gas well related industries, as well as from the use of Ba as an atmospheric aerosol spray for enhancing/refracting the signalling of radio/radar waves along military jet flight paths, missile test ranges, etc.<hr></blockquote>

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