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chemtrail activity

Postby vondardenelle » Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:15 am

i don't really know what the story is with chemtrails, but has anyone else noticed increased activity lately? i live in the philadelphia area, and yesterday was without a doubt the busiest chemtrail day i've ever seen since i have been paying attention (for about 2 years now). anyone else notice this? or is this an isolated occurence? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: chemtrail activity

Postby pugzleyca3 » Thu Oct 20, 2005 5:01 pm

I'm in California and it has been busy around here too. <br><br>Mornings start out with deep blue skies and by afternoon, it's hazy with thin white clouds from the white stuff coming out of the planes. It spreads out and sometimes there are 2 of them together and the streams intermix and then start to spread out all over. <br><br>I haven't had a completely clear day here without this in I don't remember how long. <br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Pics

Postby Connut » Thu Oct 20, 2005 5:10 pm

Go to Scott Steven's site, Weatherwars.com and look at the photos a pilot friend of his took. Some of these damn planes look like their engines are on fire! <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Pics

Postby pugzleyca3 » Thu Oct 20, 2005 5:15 pm

It says page can't be displayed? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Pics

Postby professorpan » Thu Oct 20, 2005 5:20 pm

Can someone tell me how to differentiate between contrails and "chemtrails"? <p></p><i></i>
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Telling chemtrails from contrails

Postby Avalon » Thu Oct 20, 2005 7:39 pm

By 7:30 this morning there were at least half a dozen chemtrails visible in my area<br><br>I live in a rural area in the Eastern Woodlands bioregion, under the flight path into a regional international airport. While it's an hour's drive to get to, I'm sure we're probably under 15 minutes flight time. It's just this single inbound flight path that is used in good weather around here, though in foggy weather or storms they sometimes come in to the west of us with more of a north to south path. I lived under the inbound flight path to Newark Airport for many years, so I am familiar with the patterns.<br><br>Our flight path brings planes in from the northeast toward the southwest. As far as I can tell, other than what I've said about stormy weather, the path doesn't deviate from this track by more than at most a mile. The planes come through moderately low, the plane length being about the widest width of my thumb held at arm's length. When there are contrails from these planes they are almost inevitably no longer than two handsbreadths held at arm's length. They disappear quickly, within 10 minutes, without gaps or spreading or curlicues of dissipation. The planes are never so frequent that you see two of them on this path at the same time.<br><br>Chemtrails in my area are put out by planes that are either too small or too high to be identified. They tend to be done in more of a series of parallel lines like a musical stave from one end of the sky to another. It's a slow process, especially since they seem to turn off the spray when they turn to go back the other way, and most people aren't scanning the sky for long enough to pay attention. Around here they often tend to be doing it to the north of us in an east-west pattern, putting their path mostly over state forest.<br><br>The chemtrails don't dissipate, but stay up for hours, spreading until they join each other in a film of cloud. Sometimes there will be corkscrews of white seemingly dripping from the longlived trails.<br><br>They seem to be doing less of the giant X's that they used to do. I suppose they are aiming for comparative subtlety. Sometimes there will be two planes doing it at the same time, just goofing around with no apparent destination. <br><br>They don't seem to obey what I would think are the usual spacing restrictions for legitimate flights. Sometimes I've seen them go in the same path within a handsbreadth of each other, one after another. Once I saw two of them go toward each other and almost collide it seemed, witih less than an arm's length finger's breadth between them.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Pics

Postby marykmusic » Thu Oct 20, 2005 7:39 pm

That's an easy one... contrails are mostly water vapor and dissipate within seconds. Chemtrails can be seen as a trail that not only doesn't go away, but the trail can be seen all the way across the sky when it first starts; parallel lines are common, as are cris-crosses. These turn into haze and can be VERY thick. Activity can be across a previously-cloudless sky, or above a low cloud layer, or right in the middle of clouds. It can be done over the open ocean and then blown over land; or anywhere.<br><br>I first noticed these when, immediately following 9-11, all flying ceased and I once again saw that clear, intense Northern Arizona sky, that had somehow turned hazy. When planes started flying again, the haze returned, much of it in lines that spread out and stayed. --MaryK <p></p><i></i>
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Chemtrail sorrow

Postby morganwolf » Thu Oct 20, 2005 8:01 pm

I know you guys will probably think I'm crazy, but I feel really sad about this shit. I'm sitting here crying, matter of fact.<br><br>There were a lot of chemtrails yesterday, which was my only day off this week. The morning started out beautifully, but ended up a cloudy mess by mid-afternoon, after the chemtrails had finally spread across the sky.<br><br>I feel ripped off. I feel like I have no control over anything anymore. That I cannot depend on anything, not even that the sky will stay blue long enough for me to enjoy it.<br><br>Days like this I feel like I'm melting down. Overall, I'm feeling less and less joy and more and more oppression and despair. <br><br>Does anyone else ever feel really low about what we've all talked about here? How do you deal with it, if you don't mind my asking? The hopelessness, in particular.<br><br>I'm sorry for the downer post - I'm just so sad. Kind of like when you realize there's no Santa Claus and probably no god either. Like, what's the point? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Chemtrail sorrow

Postby slimmouse » Thu Oct 20, 2005 8:15 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Days like this I feel like I'm melting down. Overall, I'm feeling less and less joy and more and more oppression and despair.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br> Do NOT let the bastards grind ya down.<br><br> Stay focused and strong. These turds have got some seriously disinfected water coming their way.<br><br> And just a final thought. There IS a God. He is sat within all of us, and he is around all of us. He is PART of all of us. That some of these assholes prefer the worship of mammon is obviously a problem, but love, faith, and the truth can and will move mountains.<br><br> Jesus ( thats ALL of us ) said,<br><br> "I am the way the way, the truth, <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>the life</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br> ....If you wish to see the father, look at me, for he is within me" - Edited upon getting the quote right lol.<br><br> Sermon over <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :hat --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/pimp.gif ALT=":hat"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=slimmouse@rigorousintuition>slimmouse</A> at: 10/20/05 6:32 pm<br></i>
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Re: Chemtrail sorrow

Postby manxkat » Thu Oct 20, 2005 8:25 pm

morganwolf, I feel your pain. I'm a musician/composer and over the past couple of years have been spending more of my time preparing for powerdown and/or meltdown than writing music. Nowadays it's harder to find hope and that childish feeling of "anything is possible," which is part of what it takes for me to write. I'm not one to create music out of anger or despair. I know some creative people do thrive on these things, but I have to have hope about the future.<br><br>What I do know is that people are still people and still have a LOT of potential for doing good. Think about all those around you, even those whom you don't know -- they still love and want to be loved. Somehow we need to tap into our positive brains and move forward with a sense of purpose, even if we feel there may be very bad times ahead. It's not easy.<br><br>After last year's "election" of Bush again, I started smoking pot. I haven't done that on a regular basis since I was in my early 20s. Now I get stoned very late at night, before bed. I stand outside and look up at the stars and at Mars in particular. Getting into an altered state helps me wind down and relax, not to mention see some things much more clearly. Truth seems to reveal itself and that helps me cope.... at least, that's what I tell myself.<br><br>I do a few other things that take me away from the pain of reality. Diversions. Things that take me away. Think of headspaces you've been in before -- places where you've enjoyed life without a care. Go to those places (real or imagined) at least for an hour a day. Think of it as your escape time.<br><br>Just some random thoughts. Peace.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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RE: Chemtrail sorrow

Postby morganwolf » Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:04 pm

Slim,<br><br>Thanks for the sermon. "Jesus wept."<br><br>I just can't get ahold of myself, no matter how hard I try. It just feels like EVIL is everywhere. Everywhere.<br><br>Why is it that evil people seem to get away with it? I guess if you believe in the hereafter, then they'll all go to hell. Thing is, why doesn't this worry them? That's the thing. They seem to know something I don't. Many times, Jeff has written about the occult elite and how they seem to have no rules. I see it every day. Some people just seem to skate through life on a slick pond of privilege while the rest of us scrabble and scrape our way along the steepest, rockiest of inclines. Yet, for all of our struggles, the average person cannot seem to get anywhere. Hence, despair.<br><br>This is getting kind of murky - and I don't want to hijack the thread. I just feel like there should be somewhere where we can say we feel lousy.<br><br>Thanks, guys, for letting me. <p></p><i></i>
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empathy rocks

Postby wintler » Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:36 pm

Suspect we've all been there morganwolf, even go there regularly.. i know its part of the reason i'm here on RI board, cos theres more dark shit happening than i or my nearest & dearest can explain. As for yr avg nasty ppl getting all the breaks, i think thats not really what happens, tho it looks that way. <br>Greed and selfishnesss may succeed in getting its next nearest desire, but at the cost of developing any real strength, seeing or making any true beauty. If evil is all you see around you, then my humble suggestion would be consider moving, cos there definately are ppl (and places) who prefer real beauty and possess real strength, but they don't tend to hang out/coexist with the parasites very much. This doesn't mean 'flee', but it does mean everybody needs a sanctuary, a refuge, a stronghold. I go to city each morning acutely concious of how long it'll be before i'm home or otherwise 'safe'.<br><br>--<br><br>Chemtrails: i'm sure they're not natural or accidental, ditto marykmusic on how-not-contrails, will add NO CONTRAIL LASTS ALL DAY. They've changed in the 2? yrs i've been seriously looking (over Melbourne, rural Victoria), get alot more oily sun halo's, fewer across-sky conspicuously linear trails and more dash-here, strip-up-there 'messy' laying of them. They seem to spread over full sky much better and faster than they used to too. Never seen the full-sky grids seen in some US photos. Those i've actually seen being laid (about 2 dozen) were all before 10am, silver or white planes up v.high. Once spotted 2 smaller planes/objects closely flank-following the trail-laying plane. <br>They're real, have no solid opinion on what the fu** they're for. And yes it pisses me off too, i'm a life long lover of (natural) clouds. <p></p><i></i>
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RE: Sorrow -- Manxkat

Postby morganwolf » Thu Oct 20, 2005 10:23 pm

What a lovely note! I am glad someone here mentioned that their creativity is being blocked by these weird energies. Needless to say, I have the same problem. Writing used to come easy for me. Some of my best, most prolific writing years were 1997-2000 (pre-GWB).<br><br>I think I've said here before that I just finished my BA in anthropology. I'm in my early 50s, so finishing college was a huge milestone - the end of a very long journey for me. Although I went to college to write, I ended up on the anthro track, because it seemed to hold more of a career potential than creative writing.<br><br>Halfway through the major, I was feeling unfulfilled. Then, 9/11 happened. See, before the Towers fell, in that very same September, I was making plans to switch my major to creative writing. It never came to pass. In the aftermath of that blue-skied September day, such a choice seemed impractical, even foolish. Needless to say, I stuck with the 'devil I knew' and took a half-hearted degree in cultural anthro. I have always regretted that act of resignation: that I did not take Frost's 'road less traveled by'. I wanted to stick with what felt safe. What a foolish and cowardly thing!<br><br>I tried to salvage my dream by minoring in writing and rhetoric (which is not the same as creative writing). I'm not a fiction writer, screenwriter, or poet. Rather, I have a flair for creative non-fiction writing. In particular, the memoir (Angela's Ashes, anyone?). In my last couple of years, I took so many writing classes that I ended up majoring in my minor, if you know what I mean. In fact, my major advisor was miffed because I blew off a couple of research opportunities so I could work in the Writing Center. There, I launched a journal for student writing associates, who worked as tutors in the Center, to publish their own work.<br><br>Ultimately, what I accomplished in the Writing Center meant more to me than any of the anthropology opportunities that I was told were mine for that taking. (I had some seriously good contacts but threw it all away - to the collective chagrin of the anthro faculty, who had counted on me to be the next president's fellow.) I let my grades slip, and finally took my degree without honors. In answer to their perplexed questions, I said the only thing I could say: all I want to do is write.<br><br>Now, I have a chance to submit a portfolio to the same college, where my work is already known and appreciated, to become an MA candidate in writing, rhetoric, and the media arts. Something is holding me back. I am not sure what, except this terrible sense of what's the point? I can barely write anything now.<br><br>One problem is that I work too much. I'm exhausted. Perhaps that's part of it. In order to create, you need energy, quiet, and the time to be introspective. I'm sure that some of my anger/despair is due to that sense of time passing and my inability to move forward. Because I am afraid of something intangible. Things that I have no control over.<br><br>Manxkat - I smoke pot now, too. It's just a little hard to get around here. I don't travel in those circles anymore, so it's difficult. But on those rare occasions that I can smoke, I feel tremendous relief. Only then, when the world stops (was that a Carlos Castaneda thing? stopping the world?) do I feel the stirrings of my soul. I have begun referring to marijuana as 'the Holy Herb' and I really believe it has curative and restorative powers.<br><br>Once again, thanks for listening. I feel better. All cried out, that's for sure. <p></p><i></i>
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RE: Empathy rocks

Postby morganwolf » Thu Oct 20, 2005 10:42 pm

No kiddin'.<br><br>I think consciously trying to change my environment is the best thing I could do. Leave my trashy job and figure out a way to live without working in such an energy-draining job. City life and apartment living sucks, at least here in the Northeastern U.S.<br><br>You're in Melbourne? Wow. I've always wanted to visit down under. Say, do you know Guy Pearce? *Chuckle*<br><br>I like what GP told an American interviewer after confessing that he smoked pot and that, of all the periods in history he'd most like to go back to, it would be the 60s hippie era. She said, well, we'd better not print that bit because 'they' may not let you back in the country! He just shrugged and said he didn't 'give a shit'. Way cool. An actor telling Hollywood they don't matter to him. (Unlike Russell Crowe, who seems to neeeeeeeeed fame.)<br><br>Well, I'm off my crying jag. Thanks again, everyone. <p></p><i></i>
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Chemtrails.... Gridded Up Again

Postby jennifer » Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:21 pm

in the Louisville Metro area beginning on Tuesday of this week. It had been quite a while since we had this activity level here.<br><br>Tuesday was clear at dawn with a few puffy clouds, and the stars shining bright, but by the time I left for the drive to work at 7:45 they were hard at it, laying down a "grid" pattern over the blue sky. By the time I arrived to town (40 mins) they had pretty much completed the grid over the city, and by 9:30 am it was a complete "white out"... high thin overcast from horizon to horizon.<br><br>They seem to work in groups, and these planes are not the usual air traffic, which I am accustomed to. (believe me, if you live near an air corridor you can tell which planes are the usual traffic, and I can tell the time by the UPS arrivals...) The planes laying the trails tend to be white or silver, fairly high up but still visible through binoculars, and often the first trail is a smallish "X" which seem to mark a spot which is a starting point. They then work in a pattern from all directions (mostly north/south, then east/west) until the grid is complete.<br><br>It was so obvious Tuesday, that I pulled off the road and watched for a bit before I got on the interstate, and I also observed what I believe was a military C130 flying at a low level and low speed north, immediately preceeding the two trailmakers, which followed it at a much higher altitude, then crossed paths and headed into a very steep climb, one off to the north, the other to the west. I lost sight of the C130 as its pretty hilly here and he was flying at a low altitude. <br><br>It really ticks me off that something is going on in our skies and most people are oblivious to it! I've been known to scream at those planes and run for my binoculars when I see them laying trails. My hubby thinks that I worry too much.... I say it's not worry, I just can't make myself NOT notice what my eyes are seeing. My curiousity is aroused. I can't just say "oh well, what are you gonna do about it? Might as well act as if all is normal". GRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START >: --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/mad.gif ALT=">:"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>The previous posters are correct when they describe the pertinent differences in contrails/chemtrails. Normal contrails do not hang indefinitely in the air, spreading out further and further, with curling appendages flowing from the edges. Normal plane traffic at my home does not travel the areas these planes do.<br><br>I don't know what is the true cause of these trails. I have read many theories, and have pondered whether it is actually something to do with a change in the atmosphere/global warming/etc. and is a symptom of this instead of purposeful act for whatever unknown reason. But each time I see the manner of the flights of these trail laying planes, it becomes harder and harder to think it is anything other than a purposeful act. But why? Don't know.<br><br>I do have the feeling that this Tuesday's occurrance had something to do with Wilma, and her surprising overnight jump in strength. No facts, just a feeling. And that weird MIMIC anomaly showing up during this time frame reinforces this feeling for me.<br><br>It's easy to let it all get you down. I feel many days that somehow I've been sucked into "Bizzarro World"... up is down, white is black, it's like everything I've known is no longer true. Since 9/11, I have noticed that even some of my most logical friends seem to have no logic at all in their thought processes, and what seems so apparent to me is scoffed at as "crazy conspiracies". I console myself with the thought that someday I'll get to play the big "I told you so" card. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>All I can suggest is that sometimes you need to cry, but don't forget to also laugh, and for heaven's sake, don't forget to smell the roses. They still smell WONDERFUL!<br><br><br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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