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"Legitimate" uses

Postby marykmusic » Sat Oct 22, 2005 11:49 am

...include weather control. For years we have observed, here in a drought-torn state, the most intense spraying when a storm system was on its way here.<br><br>Why cause a drought in Arizona? Among other reasons, to drive small farmers and ranchers out of business so that huge agribusiness corporations could take over. This makes money for Monsanto and other chemical industries, not coincidentally lowering the quality of the food produced... which intensifies the poor nutrition/poor health...which creates endless opportunities for Big Pharma to sell pills... which means that as people age, their property goes into receivership to pay their medical bills... and then there are the slowly-debilitating disease conditions exacerbated by the barium and other ingredients in the air...<br><br>It's a slow population-decreasing method. Not as messy as killing off large populations all at once, and money-generating for many types of corporations. --MaryK <p></p><i></i>
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Postby mother » Sat Oct 22, 2005 12:20 pm

Maryk, does it sound plausible that the folks who'd gladly trigger the misfortune in Arizona have decided against nukes as a population control method as being maybe outdated and clumsy? That wouldn't explain their little war thing at all, but could you imagine "them" sort of feeling sort of special and extra classy, and trying out more "humane" and sophisticated ways to get the job done? Anyway, that's what comes to me sometimes looking at those grim, white skies. <p></p><i></i>
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RE: Chem/Contrails; questions; weirdness

Postby morganwolf » Sat Oct 22, 2005 1:17 pm

RE: chemtrail activity - thoughts, questions, etc.<br><br>I appreciate this discussion. I'm trying very hard to understand what is going on. I'm not a pilot, don't know any, and have no special knowledge or understanding of aircraft or jet fuel mixes. All I know is what I see - the results of a simple exercise in looking up and saying, what happened to the sun? I've never in my life seen so much air traffic that the 'trails' managed to cloud up a very bright blue sky. And I've lived in three major eastern cities since 1970. It seems fair to say that this 'sky pollution' - whether it's chemtrails or contrails - seems to be reaching a point of criticality. More and more people are noticing the increasingly common blue-sky to cloudy-sky shift, which is clearly upsetting. Who does not want our clear skies back?!<br><br>Not only that, but there seem to be health issues involved here. I have noticed an increase in particulates. The web-like crud is all over my window fans and gets caught in my air conditioner screens. It reminds me of dryer lint, but more webby. It doesn't seem a stretch to believe that some of it is getting into our lungs and causing problems. As a city-dweller, I realize that urban areas have more air pollution - that's a given. That said, I've had to keep my windows shut most of the year for the past 5-7 years due to increased respiratory distress. I never had to do this before, anywhere I've lived. Something is wrong with the air. My neighbor says the same thing. He coughs his head off if he keeps his windows open too long. Neither of us ever had asthma or have lung disease. He is a smoker; I am not.<br><br>*Col Quisp: Thank you for the link to Thomas' site. My hair stood on end! The part about lung problems was especially interesting! Have you or other here seen this? I found it bookmarked in my TinHat folder. What do you all make of it?<br><br>The Nazi Flu <br>http://educate-yourself.org/cn/naziflu28dec04.shtml Here is a cut/paste from the site:<br><br>
Horowitz: There has been for quite some time, but the authorities are suppressing the news about it. It's only been recently that the mainstream media has acknowledged that hospital emergency rooms are filled with patients with this bizarre upper respiratory infection that doesn't quite seem to be a virus, a flu that the flu vaccines were ineffective against, that was a surprise and a complete mystery to the Centers for Disease Control authorities.<br><br>That's all hogwash, bogus nonsense. The fact of the matter is, we have seen this type of an epidemic since the end of 1998 and the beginning of 1999. People have been hacking and coughing with this bizarre illness that does not seem to follow any logical viral or bacterial onset and transition period. It was something that did not cause a high fever.<br><br>If it was a bacterial or viral infection, it would have caused a fever in these people. It didn't. It was something that lasted weeks, if not months. They had sinus congestion, sinus drainage, they had a cough, they had fatigue, general malaise, they felt they were not quite right.<br><br>Redden: Then is it fair to call this the flu, or is it something else?<br><br>Horowitz: I think it's only fair to call it flu-like. It is pathognomonic of, not a bacterial or viral infection, it is pathognomonic of a fungus or a fungus related to a flu. And that's exactly what has been developed and patented by the Armed Forces Research Institute of Pathology.<br><br>We've reprinted the patent report in the new book, Healing Codes for the Biological Apocalypse. We show you the report on the "pathogenic mycoplasma." That's a quote, "pathogenic mycoplasma." And if you know anything about mycoplasmas, myco indicates fungal, but yet mycoplasma is not really a fungus, it's not really a bacteria, it's not really a virus. It's sort of like a pseudo all of them. It has no cell wall, it goes deep into the cell nuclei thereby making it very difficult to mount an immune response against.<br><br>Redden: And it's man-made...<br><br>Horowitz: It's man-made. It can be used as a biological weapon. It was developed as an AIDS vaccine-related organism. It was extracted from AIDS patients. It is responsible for virtually all of the symptoms which AIDS patients suffer from. The AIDS virus is at best a co-factor, and not even such a strong co-factor as to bring on all of the symptoms of AIDS.<br><br>This particular organism, the micoplasma, is associated with this upper respiratory flu-like illness. And it's also associated in its pathogenic process with a whole variety of other symptoms that mimic AIDS.<br><br>Redden: And that's what you think is causing this epidemic?<br><br>Horowitz: That's only one of the factors. The patent report lays it out. Like how you can use a factor like that to cause chronic upper respiratory infections just like what is going on. I mean, virtually identical to what's going on. It's patented by the Armed Forces Research Institute of Pathology.
<br><br>Here's where I can offer some specific info, from my pharmacy technician perspective, that supports some of what Horowitz is saying in the above link:<br><br>Around the middle of August, I noticed a lot of people coming into the pharmacy with coughs but no fever. I thought to myself, it's awfully early for respiratory infections. I began to wonder if this year will be the same as last year: starting in October 2004 and peaking in February 2005, we had a slew of people coming in with Z-pak and hydrocodone cough syrup prescriptions. (My pharmacy manager said it was 'the worst he'd seen in 25 years.') I always chat with my customers while I'm preparing their meds because it helps them to tolerate the wait time. So, I started asking people how they caught their cough/cold/flu.<br><br>This is what people told me, in general:<br><br>Symptoms: malaise, low-grade fever, severe coughing spasms, mental confusion, restlessness, irritability, and in some cases, deep fatigue. The coughs lasted more than 4 weeks, as did the fatigue. Most had to take multiple round of antibiotics and most told me their doctors didn't know what it was. Some were sick for many months with the chronic cough and heavy mucus build-up. I personally had a bad bout of it from early February to late March -- 8 long weeks. The doctor said my lungs sounded clear, and there was no infection in my body that he could detect. He prescribed a codeine cough syrup that would help my raw throat heal. The whole time, I felt like I was trying to expel something 'stuck' in my throat. It didn't help. I was given Bactrim, which did nothing, then Erythromycin. Neither drug had any effect whatsoever on the cough, which ran its very slow course. It seem to end when I finally got rid of whatever was causing the irritation.<br><br>Whatever is causing this phenomenon, I can understand why it's difficult to accept - it is either a really big deal or we've got too many planes flying. If it's the latter, do we form some sort of enviornmental warrior society against contrails? I mean, I'd like some more blue sky, please.<br><br>Finally, I have some basic questions. If anyone can help answer them, I'd be grateful. 'Cause I'm just trying to wrap my brain around it.<br><br>1. Is it possible to find out how many more planes are in the sky in any given area than say, five years ago? Could an increase in the number of planes really account for the amount of 'sky pollution' that many of us are seeing? Does this level of activity occur in areas where the level of aircraft traffic is relatively low?<br><br>2. Has the jet fuel mix changed in any way over the past 10 years to include something that leaves larger, lingering trails? Does anyone have any info on ethylene dibromide as a fuel additive?<br><br>3. For those who think the con/chemtrails spreading is weather-related, how do we account for weather forecasts that predict clear blue skies and great weather if by 11 am it's hazy bright (after all the 'trails' blend and merge in one big, off-white mass)?<br><br>*MaryK: Are you using something besides mind power to break up the clouds? Please share. I have an open mind and will try just about anything as long as it doesn't hurt myself or innocent others. Perhaps what these folks are talking about is what you mean? http://educate-yourself.org/ct/<br><br>*Thanks Pugsleys, for posting the video link - I will watch it this afternnoon. I am in TOTAL agreement with you that, post-9/11, nobody will touch this shit.<br><br>*Mother - a note to say hi. I am glad you stuck around here. I liked your energy right away and was pleased that you didn't find the tech issues too daunting. (A nod to RDR for helping you get through it.)<br><br>HIGH WEIRDNESS ALERT: Another from my TinHat folder: http://www.chem-trails.org/<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START 8o --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/nerd.gif ALT="8o"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> ct2005.htm<br><br>If you cannot 'see' that link, go here: http://tinyurl.com/7jmqn<br><br>(***Something very weird just happened. I tried to post the above link twice and got an emoticon inserted into the middle!!! I tiny URL'd it just in case there is some conflict between the URL's html code and EZ board's emoticon codes.)<br><br>Like Brendan, I, too, have felt something "crawling" on top of my head. And no, I wasn't stoned or under the influence of anything at the time. I haven't documented this sensation by taking digital photos, but I think I might just start. I think some of us are receivers and some are senders. Just MHO.<br><br>Cheers, all. Morgan<br><br>PS: (I'd ask people to PM me, for OT things, but I am not a registered user. I never bothered to register because, initially, folks were saying what a hassle it was and that their e-mail accounts got spammed afterward. So, although I've been here since day 1, I decided to opt-out of the registration process. Has EZ Board's policy gotten easier? I see more registered users than before. Still, I like to keep my Internet footprint as small as possible and only sign up to join when there's no other way.) <p></p><i></i>
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Re: RE: Chem/Contrails; questions; weirdness

Postby pugzleyca3 » Sat Oct 22, 2005 1:37 pm

Hi there Morganwolf,<br>I can't take credit for posting that link as it was manxcat who posted it and I too appreciate them doing so. <br><br>BTW, I am also a writer and have had some stories published (fictional) and I know this is a bit off topic, but I have lost my creativity, too, since I started my quest of finding the truth.<br><br>I have decided though, that they are not going to take away my love of writing and keep me mentally down any longer. <br><br>There is a writing challenge, you probably heard of it: NANOWRIMO is a month long challenge at www.nanowrimo.org<br><br>It's a month long challenge to write a novel in one month.<br>And it just so happens to start on November 1st. <br><br>Even if you write shorts, you might want to participate and you don't have to turn in your numbers at the end of the challenge if you don't want to. It's just a way to establish a goal and get some writing done, even if it's really BAD writing. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>Anyone here game? I did it last year and was quite pleased with myself for having written 60,000 words in that month. <br><br>I will be doing it again.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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RE: Chem/Contrails; questions; weirdness

Postby morganwolf » Sat Oct 22, 2005 3:03 pm

Heya, pugzley,<br><br>Thanks for the correction. Manxkat, I owe you that one.<br><br>Also appreciate your comments about losing your creativity. This seems a veritable epidemic! I know other people who have given up. One says her 'muse' deserted her. Whatever.<br><br>I think it's fatigue and overwhelming hopelessness about BushCo. Most likely, it's the result of some kind of cosmic ray gun mounted on the space station that targets sensitive people and kills off whatever part of the hypothalamus is responsible for creative emotions.<br><br>HAH. Had you going there, didn't I? Looking over my shoulder just in case. Freaky, dahling. But not funny.<br><br>I'll think about the writing challenge thing, but I don't have a whole lot of time. After standing on my feet all day, I barely have the energy to make my dinner and eat it, let alone check email, boards, and news articles. Writing anything is an effort, even these posts.<br><br>Also, my eyes tend to give out after a few hours, so I have to limit my time in front of the monitor. When my vision gets really bad, I sometimes turn it of and touch-type into notepad, for editing later. I'll sure try to do it. Good luck on your efforts - keep me posted on it! <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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writing challenge

Postby manxkat » Sat Oct 22, 2005 3:13 pm

Hi pugzleyca3, Glad you got a lot out of the video -- I'm about 3/4 through and find it very compelling, but have to say I'm still not 100% convinced. I haven't seen chemtrails in my area (but I'm going to start paying attention).<br><br>On writer's block, I'm experiencing a similar problem as a composer/recording artist -- but, I've chalked it up to lots of other obvious factors, many of which are related to preparing for power-down. My outlook about the world has become much less positive since the realization that 9/11 was an inside job. That epiphany has led to additional questioning of authority and discovery of other truths that tend to be rather disconcerting. <br><br>That has left me with less hope and less dreams. I know I haven't lost it completely though -- I still have ideas about new music projects, but I just can't seem to get moving on them. I'm too distracted by what's going on in the world. Sometimes I feel the best thing for me to do would be to completely withdraw in order to create again. Know what I mean? Best wishes for your creative endeavors.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: "Legitimate" uses

Postby pugzleyca3 » Sat Oct 22, 2005 3:20 pm

MaryK, please explain to me how they are not doing exactly the same thing to themselves, friends and relatives as they are to us. <br><br>Unless it is just a handful of people at the top ordering unwitting pilots and others to spray this all over the place. Even so, there has to be lower level people who know what is going on,too and anyone that knows would not want their friends and families exposed to this. <br><br>Do you think they have an antidote to make them immune to this or something? <br><br>According to the tests in the video manxcat posted the link to, the spray consists of large quantitites of barium, aluminum and biological matter, molds, etc. So this is bound to affect any and all humans on this planet, including the bad guys. And the plants and animals.<br><br>This is where I have a problem with it being population control. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: writing challenge

Postby pugzleyca3 » Sat Oct 22, 2005 3:30 pm

Hi manxcat, yes I know exactly what you mean. And thankfully my participation in the nano project forces me to ignore basically anything and everything around me in order to finish, so total withdrawal is what I am planning to do. <br><br>Problem is, I am planning on writing about the very things we talk about on this board in a fictional vein. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> So I guess I won't be escaping, my novel will probably end up being one HUGE rant about the NWO. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :eek --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eek.gif ALT=":eek"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>Do your thing, that is what bugs them the most, I think. Carrying on with our way of life is the ultimate revenge on them, isn't it? <br><br>At this point, I am almost afraid to withdraw my voice from dissent, because though I don't seem much result from all my letter writing campaigns, etc. I feel that my tiny voice is needed somehow. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: RE: Chem/Contrails; questions; weirdness

Postby pugzleyca3 » Sat Oct 22, 2005 3:31 pm

LOL! on the hypothalmus statement. hehehe! I needed a good laugh this morning, thanks much for providing it. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>Maybe that's why Americans are getting so fat, too? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: RE: Chem/Contrails; questions; weirdness

Postby pugzleyca3 » Sat Oct 22, 2005 3:37 pm

Oh yeah, guess what? We had a rash of chemtrails yesterday. And it is now 11:33 am here and I can't see a damn thing. The sky is completely grayish white and it's foggy as hell. I can't see a half a mile. This ain't right. The weather forecast says partly cloudy. Yeah, right. I haven't seen as much as a teeny blue patch yet today. <p></p><i></i>
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collateral oppresion

Postby km artlu » Sat Oct 22, 2005 4:10 pm

i just discovered this thread and have printed it for reading later. so pardon me if raising this angle is redundant.<br><br>of almost equal importance to me as whatever the external effects of chemtrails may be, is the sense of futility and impotence which the operations evoke in me.<br><br>even when i attempt to educate otherwise intelligent people, there's often a sort of generalized "huh, wha..." response. incredulity towards what is right there in front of them. social/perceptual consensus conditioning displaying its power over almost everyone. i have no interest in communicating with people who cannot recognize the reality of what's going on here. this phenomenon serves as a measure of cognitive ability.<br><br>and then there's the implications of what can be viewed as self-censorship. your local weatherman simply can not be oblivious to what's happening. how many times have they firmly predicted on the morning news that crystal blue skies will prevail throughout the day? then, on the evening news, they speak of how "we had some high clouds move in through the afternoon". they know. they want to keep their jobs.<br><br>same thing applies to thousands of people in the airlines industry. do they compartementalize this stuff? erase it from their worldview?<br><br>then there's the thousands of functionaries executing these operations. pilots and all the support personel. not one single leak. these people must see us all as pathetic domestic livestock.<br><br>i find the implications of the above to be horrific.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: collateral oppresion

Postby marykmusic » Sat Oct 22, 2005 4:40 pm

Was it Pugzley who asked if the "Hello, Blue Skies" article on www.educate-yourself.org was what I was talking about? That's what started the Cloudbuster movement, yes; that is my brother Don in 2002.<br><br>Much has happened since then, but Don was the first one to DO something ("everyone talks about the weather but nobody does anything about it.")<br><br>Sky is brilliant blue here, as it is most days. But it took years of working on chemtrails in Arizona to get this.<br><br>And many people say that the sky was clear for a while but now the spray-planes are back; a plausible theory is that the central US and lower Canada was sprayed heavily to create the weather conditions necessary to get Hurricane Wilma to turn like they planned, toward Florida. However, a low system stalled unexpectedly over the Ohio valley... gee, we have an awful lot of people doing this work, in Toronto, Chicago, I don't remember where-all. Holes in chem-clouds are a common phenomenon where there are cloudbusters. Look for these holes. Stuff has to be sprayed pretty thick to overcome several of them. --MaryK <p></p><i></i>
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new article with related info

Postby manxkat » Sat Oct 22, 2005 5:20 pm

I just came across a <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.onlinejournal.org/Commentary/102205Mazza/102205mazza.html" target="top">new article by Jerry Mazza</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> at OnlineJournal.org which talks about earthquake and weather modification. He doesn't address chemtrails specifically, but does cite an author, <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.earthpulse.com/src/subcategory.asp?catid=1&subcatid=1" target="top">Dr. Rosalie Bertell</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->, who revealed the following:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>In March 1989, two Black Brant X's and two Nike Orion rockets were launched over Canada, releasing barium at high altitudes and creating artificial clouds. These Churchill artificial clouds were observed from as far away as Los Alamos, New Mexico.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Well, there's that barium again -- the same substance that Clifford Carnicom reveals in his <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.carnicom.com/" target="top">documentary</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->. <br><br>The entire article by Mazza is scary as hell. Lots of links to other sites and research on HAARP. I'll start another thread using the Mazza article since it covers a wide range of topics from earthquakes to weather and more.<br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=manxkat@rigorousintuition>manxkat</A> at: 10/22/05 3:20 pm<br></i>
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This hits home for me

Postby kinsei » Sat Oct 22, 2005 6:27 pm

I've recently been fighting off, you guessed it, a mysterious upper-respiratory infection spawned by sinusitus, that doesn't cause me a fever and is very slow in responding to antibiotics. I had a similar infection, not surprisingly, this past February. I typically have an extremely strong immune system which is why this strikes me as so significant, because in the past several years this is the <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>only</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> type of illness that has affected me for more than a day or so, and the <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>only</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> type of illness that I've resorted to antibiotics for.<br><br>Two questions, for those with more info on this fungal-based pseudo-bacterial infection thing, if that's indeed what's causing this:<br><br>1. What non-antibiotic methods have people identified to get rid of this thing? Note that I'm not at all against naturopathic and/or spiritual-related defenses, so any and all suggestions would be great. For example, I've found that my situation has been greatly helped by taking a very hot (as hot as you can stand it without burning) bath in the evening for at least a half hour, ideally with some kind of scent like eucalyptis and/or spearmint. The intense heat seems to induce an artificial fever for a while which helps you to sweat this stuff out. Also, while in the peak of this illness, don't use deodorant; I know it sounds bad (yes you won't smell great) but it's important to let your lymph do its thing and antiperspirants won't help matters. For both of the above recommendations (the bath, and allowing yourself to perspire) the key is breathing... deep breaths, take in the light and breath out the dark, be fully conscious of your breath. I only started using these approaches this time around and the illness has definitely started to dissipate faster than in February, but I'm really looking for other techniques people have found to overcome this thing.<br><br>2. I know it sounds weird from a common-sense point of view, but as most folks here on RI seem to understand, common sense isn't always really what it seems. With that in mind, and taking into account that I only ask this question because I really have read enough interesting perspectives to make me wonder... when fighting this illness and/or chemtrail effects in general, does smoking (tobacco) help or hurt? Realize that I've gone back and forth with tobacco so many times that I'd be interested in hearing all sides of this (and note that every time I got infected with this mycovirus thing, I was <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>not</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> smoking, which is interesting).<br><br>Please, any thoughts would be wonderful. I'm normally a very high-energy person who loves to share their energy with everyone around them, and most illnesses don't really penetrate me all that well because of it... except this. I've learned that this is just as much a disease of the spirit as a disease of the body, and my plan of defense has improved as a result, but there's still much more than can be done. Any and all ideas would be wonderful.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: This hits home for me

Postby pugzleyca3 » Sat Oct 22, 2005 6:46 pm

Hi Kinsei,<br>I have been suffering from sinus problems and in January of 2001 I had URI that lasted for approximately 4 months. Everyone in the town I live in were also coughing their heads off and sick as a dog. There was no fever involved there either. Only after it got to be warmer and dryer weather did this let up. It was pretty miserable. <br><br>I, too only have these upper resp. infections that grab me and last and last. And once in a while the flu, which I also figure are part of this thing.<br><br>Just recently I started to look into natural remedies. I have acid reflux and have been looking for a cure. (not just something that suppresses the symptoms). <br><br>I recently found a product called Samento. You can do a net search on it and find it. Try www.thegreenpharmacy.com , they seem to have the cheapest one. It's a form of cat's claw but is different from what's been on the market for so long. If you try it, make sure to get the liquid extract Samento, the caps are way too expensive. <br><br>I had ordered this thinking it would help the reflux. Before I got it, I had gotten the flu and was miserable. This time I had low grade fever and I sounded like I had a clothespin on my nose, my sinuses were so screwed up. I had this for a week when I got the Samento and it was NOT getting any better. <br><br>I got the Samento and took 5 drops, (max dose) and within 2 hours, my nose was almost back to normal. It made me sweat everytime I took it and 9 and a half hours later, I was completely cured. <br><br>I thought, oh well, just a fluke or something. Then my neice got the same thing I had about a week later. I had told her about my experience and she wanted to try the SAmento. She took her first dose here at my place and started sweating. That was about 5 pm. By the next morning, she was completely cured and moving furniture and cleaning off her back porch the next morning when she called to tell me. She'd taken 3 doses of 4 drops between 5 pm and midnight. Then went to bed, woke up cured. So, I guess there is something in the Samento that helps with this.<br><br>Also, I have had a terrible cough for a long, long time. Not sick, just coughing all the time. The Samento seemed to dry that up and the cough is much, much better now. I hardly cough at all, come to think of it. <br><br>Anyway, it worked for two of us and the samento site claimed that it could kick the flu in 8 hours. I laughed. Nothing I ever took cured the flu before this. I am not laughing now, but I am happy. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>I also take standardized milk thistle, digestive enzymes and slippery elm bark. I stopped drinking sodas and using aspertame and now drink exclusively pure water and herbal teas. I even gave up coffee. (never thought I could do that).<br><br>I smoke too and even before all this cloud thing, I had noticed that people who smoked and quit seemed to get cancer from 5 to 10 years after they quit anyway. My friend's husband died of lung cancer, he'd quit 10 years before he got it and we talked about that. The doctor as much as admitted to her that this was something he was seeing happening too. But that was as far as he would go. I am not quitting because of these observations I've made myself. <br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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