Finding a disaster free zone...

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Finding a disaster free zone...

Postby banned » Sat Nov 05, 2005 3:33 am

Let's face it, when all is said and done, unless we are saints, our numero uno priority is to save our own asses.<br><br>Thought this article was interesting. Note: If I could afford to live in the paradise that is Santa Barbara, honey, I wouldn't care if one day I got squished in an earthquake, I'd have enjoyed myself up to that point.<br><br>On the other hand, I have a feeling I might die of boredom in Blanding UT. On the other hand it might be a nice little burg and high desert would be great for my asthma.<br><br>I've lived 20 years in Silicon Valley which has high earthquake danger and some of the most obnoxious people on the planet, so I must have a high tolerance for crap, eh? <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rolleyes --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>====<br>Experts: Disaster-Free Zones Hard to Find<br><br>By MICHAEL HILL, Associated Press Writer Fri Nov 4, 6:43 PM ET<br><br>Hurricane victims in Florida and along the Gulf Coast have to be asking themselves something survivors of tornadoes, blizzards and earthquakes also wonder: Is there any place you can go that is safe from natural disasters?<br>ADVERTISEMENT<br><br>The West has earthquakes and wildfires. Move to the Midwest and you could find yourself in Tornado Alley. The Northeast? Blizzards, ice storms and heat waves.<br><br>Experts say trying to escape catastrophic weather is a little like trying to escape from, well, the weather. Short of building a new Biosphere, it is nearly impossible to completely avoid quakes, hurricanes, tornadoes, blizzards or heat waves.<br><br>"Unfortunately, if you drew a map of the United States, you would find that at least one and most likely two or three of those happen almost everywhere," says Larry Kalkstein, senior research fellow at the University of Delaware's Center for Climatic Research. "Every place has some sort of vulnerability."<br><br>Kalkstein knows. He lives in Marco Island, Fla., a Gulf Coast town that took a direct hit from Hurricane Wilma last month.<br><br>Experts say Hurricanes Katrina, Rita and Wilma demonstrate that any search for the safest real estate in America should exclude the Gulf Coast and a good chunk of the Atlantic Coast.<br><br>It's the same with Tornado Alley, the area centering on northern Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas and Nebraska, and sometimes defined as stretching east to the Mississippi River or beyond to Ohio.<br><br>That leaves a big chunk of the West and the Northeast, though the geography can be pared down by knocking out fault-riddled California and northern reaches prone to ice storms and blizzards.<br><br>Heat waves could disqualify even more areas, though not necessarily in the South. Kalkstein notes that hot weather tends to be most deadly in places where people are not used to it: Chicago, New York, Philadelphia, St. Louis.<br><br>Heat waves are, on average, the most deadly weather phenomenon of the last decade, according to the<br>National Weather Service. A 1995 heat wave in Chicago killed more than 700 people in four days, most of them elderly.<br><br>William Hooke, director of policy programs for the American Meteorological Society, says people cannot avoid weather risk, but they can decide the "shape of the risk." For instance: Do you feel more comfortable living in a tornado zone or a hurricane zone?<br><br>Consider the risks every person faces every day getting into a car or walking down the street and catastrophic weather seems less of an issue. Federal statistics show that 369 people died last year from weather hazards, while 42,636 people were killed in traffic accidents and 1.37 million were victims of a violent crime.<br><br>Then there other manmade threats: Cities like Washington and New York are probably pretty high on a terrorist's list of favorite places.<br><br>So, where can you go?<br><br>Kalkstein, if "pushed to the corner," would choose Santa Barbara, Calif., since it has almost no thunderstorms, no hurricanes, rare heat waves and no blizzards. But it does have earthquakes.<br><br>Joseph Annotti of Property Casualty Insurers Association of America picks the Midwest. Yes, there are tornadoes, but he notes that nothing matches the destructive power of hurricanes and earthquakes.<br><br>"Even the worst tornado is not going to come close, damage-wise, to even a Category 2 hurricane," Annotti says.<br><br>Still, the average number of people killed by tornadoes in the past decade is more than twice the number of hurricane deaths: 57 a year versus 21, according to the National Weather Service. That number does not include the more than 1,000 people who died as a result of Katrina.<br><br>Rade Musulin of the American Academy of Actuaries lists the Northwest, the interior East Coast up the Appalachians, and Utah and Colorado as relatively safe areas.<br><br>Another, completely unscientific way to look at safety is to compare the<br>U.S. Geological Survey earthquake hazard map, a Tornado Alley map, Kalkstein's heat wave danger zone and the<br>Federal Emergency Management Agency's county-by-county map of declared presidential disaster declarations from 1965 to 2003.<br><br>The area left out of the resulting crazy quilt of disasters and potential disasters is ... pretty small.<br><br>One relatively safe place seems to be Blanding, Utah (population 3,500). It is on a mesa, so there is no flooding. City Manager Chris Webb cannot remember an earthquake or a tornado or, for that matter, any sort of weather emergency. There is snow, but Webb says the high-desert city has moderate temperatures year round, so it cannot even maintain an ice rink.<br><br>But he cautions: "There is drought down this way."<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Finding a disaster free zone...

Postby maggrwaggr » Sat Nov 05, 2005 3:50 am

I used to live in Denver and always felt very safe. The worst thing that could happen there, it seemed, was you might choke on some of the smog during a really bad thermal inversion on a cold winter day.<br><br>No earthquakes. The occasional blizzard I guess. Oddly, the only time I've seen tornadoes after living in Oklahoma, Texas, and Missouri was in downtown Denver, where I could see two at once, back in 1988 (I think). <br><br>Now if I could only find a place like that that's not in the United States.<br><br>I don't feel safe at all anymore in the U.S. I don't like the new "redistricting plan" that involves killing all the Democrats. a la New Orleans. <p></p><i></i>
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New Zealand is lovely.

Postby banned » Sat Nov 05, 2005 3:53 am

Not that they want Americans coming over there and lowering the tone of the place, of course.<br><br>I hear Chile is nice too. <p></p><i></i>
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think again about NZ!

Postby maggrwaggr » Sat Nov 05, 2005 4:13 am

One of my best friends' ex-fiancee lives there, and she tells a story of NZ that might surprise you.<br><br>The ozone hole is such a problem there, that they have "ozone days" in the schools there the way we have "snow days" here! <br><br>And they have a lot of them. <br><br>If you like getting funny-looking moles on your forehead, I guess NZ would be nice. <br><br>I know, it's sad, I've always wanted to go there. <br><br>Maybe my tin-foil hat will help me. <p></p><i></i>
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honestly

Postby Homeless Halo » Sat Nov 05, 2005 4:26 am

Weather HERE isn't too terrible. The odd dumping of snow here and there, and the occassional "heatwave" (making it normal temperatures for the south) can be mildly annoying but normally only old people and young children suffer from the weather. Driving on an icy road here though, is simply suicide, especially if you're new to the area (I've driven everywhere, there is no place like THIS, the LA and NY people are fucking pussies).<br><br>Of course, I had to avoid buying cigarettes tonight because the gas station 1/2 mi from my house got held up.<br><br>What can you do? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: New Zealand is lovely.

Postby Gouda » Sat Nov 05, 2005 4:27 am

I have seen this "Disaster-Free Zones Hard to Find" jamming on the same theme in no less than 2 other news outlets in the last month. In addition to the barely changed wording of this meme, we have a proliferation of other leaks and reports:<br><br>"Now the Pentagon tells Bush: climate change will destroy us"<br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>· Secret report warns of rioting and nuclear war<br>· Britain will be 'Siberian' in less than 20 years <br>· Threat to the world is greater than terrorism</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> <br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1153513,00.html">observer.guardian.co.uk/i...13,00.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>Mark Townsend and Paul Harris in New York<br>Sunday February 22, 2004<br>The Observer <br><br>- and - <br><br>"Environmental cloud on horizon for Mediterranean, warns UN"<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.terradaily.com/2005/051103181228.u64xf99z.html">www.terradaily.com/2005/0...xf99z.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>PARIS (AFP) Nov 03, 2005<br>Mediterranean countries from Tunisia to Turkey face a bleak environmental future with concrete coastlines, rising temperatures, mountains of refuse and endless oil slicks, according to a UN prognosis for the region in 2025.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->...<br><br>banned, you've seen and no doubt loved that film, <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Neverending Story</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->, right? That evil cloud of nothingness proliferating the universe, swallowing everything in its path? There's no escape unless we kind of fight it...and we'd rather have you on our team, you know, to keep things lively, rather than you going off in a futile effort to save only yourself. Whatcha gonna do all alone??<br><br>on edit: changed word "out" to "our". much much clearer. <br>on second edit: actually changed it this time. <br>third edit: changed "wake" to "path". And I've corked the whisky <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=gouda@rigorousintuition>Gouda</A> at: 11/5/05 1:40 am<br></i>
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quite nice here

Postby jenz » Sat Nov 05, 2005 6:07 am

but not telling you where. <p></p><i></i>
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Nope, never saw the Neverending Story.

Postby banned » Sat Nov 05, 2005 8:11 pm

The problem is, unfortunately, that I haven't yet seen anyone I want on MY team.<br><br>If I'm going to stay, I'm going to fight and if I'm going to fight I'm going to need people I can trust.<br><br>Most Americans are too wussy to go back into a convenience store when they've been shortchanged 20 cents by a teenage fucktard in a bassackwards baseball cap. Sorry if I don't see them as material for a revolutionary movement.<br><br><!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rollin --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/roll.gif ALT=":rollin"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>I'd rather be the last one hauled in, even with some funky moles, than meet the fate I suspect is in store for most Murkans who are naught but sheep. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Nope, never saw the Neverending Story.

Postby Gouda » Sun Nov 06, 2005 1:25 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>If I'm going to stay, I'm going to fight and if I'm going to fight I'm going to need people I can trust.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Who would they be? Any past or present prototypical candidates? Who would you have at your round table. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Nope, never saw the Neverending Story.

Postby marykmusic » Sun Nov 06, 2005 1:56 am

I really like it where we are right now. A lovely riparian area in the Arizona desert, not too high, not too low... hopefully we won't get flooded out like Sedona did last spring. --MaryK <p></p><i></i>
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Present? Nobody.

Postby banned » Sun Nov 06, 2005 2:00 am

If I could pick my own band of resistance fighters? Probably Cretan andartes, and some Turks (assuming I could get them to get along with the Cretans and vice versa) whom my father told me were the fiercest, scariest fighters in WWII. You need people who are good at sneaking up on other people and slitting their throats without giving it a second thought.<br><br>Wouldn't mind having El Che and Fidel, like the old days in the Sierra Maestra, eh? And the dozen or so survivors who made it out of the Warsaw Ghetto.<br><br>There aren't many resistance fighters who are known heroes, because most of them die in action so that other people can have the freedom they bought with their lives.<br><br>"Live Free or Die!" <p></p><i></i>
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Geronimo

Postby Homeless Halo » Sun Nov 06, 2005 5:59 am

If I had to resist, in a controlled, purposeful fashion, I'd call my Apache friends.<br><br>Historically, they did better, pound for pound, than anyone else has against American imperialist aggression. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: quite nice here

Postby israelirealities » Sun Nov 06, 2005 2:54 pm

i thought is was UK somewhere, jenz ? <br><br>The hideaway fantasy ...emmm...you can actually make it, don't let anyone tell you otherwise. If I had more money, my area could offer some of those spots, a house on the beach with a little yard hidden behind thick stone walls. 500 $ a month is not much, but I don't have it now. This is my next goal. Otherwise, Israel is as far from the fantasy as possible. lots of booms and angry people who upset routines and make you step on your toes. <br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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