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Electric hurricanes puzzle scientists

Postby starroute » Mon Jan 09, 2006 10:13 pm

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2006/09jan_electrichurricanes.htm">science.nasa.gov/headline...icanes.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>The boom of thunder and crackle of lightning generally mean one thing: a storm is coming. Curiously, though, the biggest storms of all, hurricanes, are notoriously lacking in lightning. Hurricanes blow, they rain, they flood, but seldom do they crackle.<br><br>Surprise: During the record-setting hurricane season of 2005 three of the most powerful storms--Rita, Katrina, and Emily--did have lightning, lots of it. And researchers would like to know why. . . .<br><br>Indeed, the electric fields above Emily were among the strongest ever measured by the aircraft’s sensors over any storm. "We observed steady fields in excess of 8 kilovolts per meter," says Blakeslee. "That is huge--comparable to the strongest fields we would expect to find over a large land-based 'mesoscale' thunderstorm." . . .<br><br>Rita and Katrina were not part of the campaign. Lightning in those storms was detected by means of long-distance sensors on the ground, not the ER-2, so less is known about their electric fields.<br><br>Nevertheless, it is possible to note some similarities: (1) all three storms were powerful: Emily was a Category 4 storm, Rita and Katrina were Category 5; (2) all three were over water when their lightning was detected; and (3) in each case, the lightning was located around the eye-wall.<br><br>What does it all mean? The answer could teach scientists something new about the inner workings of hurricanes.<br><br>Actually, says Blakeslee, the reason most hurricanes don't have lightning is understood. "They're missing a key ingredient: vertical winds."<br><br>Within thunderclouds, vertical winds cause ice crystals and water droplets (called "hydrometeors" ) to bump together. This "rubbing" causes the hydrometeors to become charged. Think of rubbing your socked feet across wool carpet--zap! It's the same principle. For reasons not fully understood, positive electric charge accumulates on smaller particles while negative charge clings to the larger ones. Winds and gravity separate the charged hydrometeors, producing an enormous electric field within the storm. This is the source of lightning.<br><br>A hurricane's winds are mostly horizontal, not vertical. So the vertical churning that leads to lightning doesn't normally happen.<br><br>Lightning has been seen in hurricanes before. During a field campaign in 1998 called CAMEX-3, scientists detected lightning in the eye of hurricane Georges as it plowed over the Caribbean island of Hispaniola. The lightning probably was due to air forced upward -- called "orographic forcing" -- when the hurricane hit the mountains.<br><br>"Hurricanes are most likely to produce lightning when they're making landfall," says Blakeslee. But there were no mountains beneath the "electric hurricanes" of 2005—only flat water.<br><br>It's tempting to think that, because Emily, Rita and Katrina were all exceptionally powerful, their sheer violence somehow explains their lightning. But Blakeslee says that this explanation is too simple. "Other storms have been equally intense and did not produce much lightning," he says. "There must be something else at work."<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Electric hurricanes puzzle scientists

Postby manxkat » Mon Jan 09, 2006 10:15 pm

I just saw this story linked over at RawStory and couldn't help but wonder if the excessive lightning is a result of HAARP weather manipulation.... but, I haven't a clue. Maybe someone on this forum with better knowledge might?<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Electric hurricanes puzzle scientists

Postby GDN01 » Tue Jan 10, 2006 3:12 am

I don't know better and have nothing to add to the puzzle. But, I will say, as someone living near the Gulf Coast, I am already having anxiety attacks over the coming hurricane season. Less than 6 months away, it will begin again. And I have no doubt that it will be as bad as the last one. There are so many devastated areas - it won't take much to wipe them out. And on a personal level, I don't know that I, or most of us who live here, can deal with another season like the last. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Electric hurricanes puzzle scientists

Postby starroute » Tue Jan 10, 2006 3:25 am

I've been a skeptic of the idea that anything as big as a hurricane could be created and manipulated -- but this article really has me wondering. That's why I posted it.<br><br>The weirdest part of the 2005 hurricane season was not that there were so many storms or so many big ones. It's that so many of the storms were *different." Electric hurricanes. Storms off South America and off Spain. These last few storms out in the Atlantic that formed over cool water and had heavy wind shear but strengthened despite that.<br><br>Not only are these things not "natural," but they don't even seem like what you'd get just from putting more energy in the system, a la global warming.<br><br>I'm hoping someone here *will* chime in with a plausible theory. <p></p><i></i>
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Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Tue Jan 10, 2006 12:46 pm

It was the 'Bahama Busters' that really got my attention; a supposedly rare occurance. These are storms that form extremely close to the continental US.<br><br>Katrina, Rita, and Wilma were all Bahama Busters. Wilma went and did something that I couldn't imagine in my worst nightmare: Tropical Storm all the way to Cat 5 in 24 hours..<br><br>Unbelievable.<br><br>No theory to advance, but I'll repeat a few things I've said before..<br><br>1st - Here's your HAARP Daddy:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.eastlundscience.com/currentd.html">www.eastlundscience.com/currentd.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>If you really are interested, you should read the two PDF's. Eastlund is talking about satallite systems that can replace HAARP's functionality. He also talks about 'mitigating' mesocyclonic activity.<br><br>I have a very hard time not seeing this technology employed as a weapon. At some point in these articles, he mentions his system has a failsafe that prevents it from being used as such, but that's malarky, and I think he's a crackhead if he means that in earnest..<br><br>And as far as credibility goes:<br><br> <!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>ESEC has recently completed a contract with the European Space Agency to review the weather modification potential of the HAARP facility in Alaska and to perform numerical simulations of tornado suppression with high power electromagnetic radiation produced with Solar Power Satellites.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>There it is in plain old black and white from the Horse's Mouth. If HAARP is meant soley for 'observing' the Ionosphere, then why the hell is Europe engaged with Eastlund on a Weather Control project based on HAARP?<br><br>2nd - Hugest Insult to Intellegence in 2005:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr> <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Somebody Tried to Kill Hurricane Wilma ... BEFORE She was Born! -- UPDATED 4:50 AM October 19th</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.enterprisemission.com/weblog/weblog.htm">www.enterprisemission.com...weblog.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>I guess a little mis-direction never hurt anyone, eh? Katrina and Rita definately were and should have been at center stage for the destruction they wrought, but Wilma is the one that should most closely be examined. I'm a Miami native, and lived with Hurricanes the first 20 years of my life; that ended when I experienced the wrath of Hurricane Andrew 30 miles from it's Eye..I only give this in the context that I'm pretty familiar with Hurricanes and how they behave.<br><br>Wilma was probably the worst freak of nature I've ever seen; it was literally a hole in the Sky for a few hours, and the idea that it was 'weakened' in it's 24 hour surge to Kali-status makes me wanna beat someone with an idiot stick or rip the mask they're wearing right off their face..<br><br><!--EZCODE EMOTICON START >: --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/mad.gif ALT=">:"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>Thanks God(or whoever) <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>that</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> one didn't make landfall at it's peak.. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=etinarcadiaego@rigorousintuition>et in Arcadia ego</A> at: 1/10/06 9:53 am<br></i>
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Re: Electric hurricanes puzzle scientists

Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Tue Jan 10, 2006 12:51 pm

By the way..If you want to understand this a little better:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>ESEC has recently completed a contract with the European Space Agency to review the weather modification potential of the HAARP facility in Alaska and to perform numerical simulations of tornado suppression with high power electromagnetic radiation produced with Solar Power Satellites.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I suggest you look up HAARP(US Patent 4686605) at the US Patent Office's website and do a search for 'plume'.<br><br>You won't like what you'll see, I'm betting..Patents don't neccessarily mean that they'll do what they say they will, of course..We have Bearden's flunky Over-Unity patent to illustrate that, but this is something that's pretty much hiding in plain sight and has been all along aside from the year this patent spent in 'Classified' status. <p></p><i></i>
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Postby starroute » Tue Jan 10, 2006 2:13 pm

Wilma definitely did things it shouldn't have been able to do, considering the official windspeeds. I saw one interview with someone from the electric company about how large transmission poles or pylons were snapped in half and how inexplicable that was.<br><br>I also saw a theory around that time that a Cat. 3 storm which was previously a Cat. 5 retains certain energy characteristics which are not found in a storm that was never more than a Cat. 3.<br><br>And there was this comment in the electric hurricane discussion over at Slashdot:<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=173477&cid=14432200">science.slashdot.org/comm...d=14432200</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Lets just add some conspiracy to this...<br><br> Some of my friends in Florida noticed some odd 'humming' from the MacDill AFB during the storms of the last two seasons.<br><br> In a few documentaries, non-conspiracy type, there were mentions of HAARP being used to steer storms away from high value locations (such as MacDill AFB, home of SOCOM).<br><br> HAARP is widely known to be Tesla's work. Tesla was well known for things that go zap.<br><br> The government has <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.dod.gov/comptroller/defbudget/fy2000/budget_justification/pdfs/rdtande/fy00pb_whs_osd.pdf">interesting military busdget</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> info [dod.gov] (PDF warning)<br><br> Bumping a storm away from valuable places such as MacDill, and letting it damage some oil stuff is worth while. It runs the price of oil up, and the damaged oil equipment can be replaced. Of course, a few people may get hurt, but that's not the government's concern.<br><br> I'm sure NASA won't be informed of the actions at HAARP, so they'll be investigating something where they will never receive the details of how it happened.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>There's more strange crap coming out of SOCOM than you can keep track of -- they were the goat-starers, for instance. If anybody is likely to be messing with the weather, it would be them.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Electric hurricanes

Postby rapt » Tue Jan 10, 2006 2:56 pm

I hear the same kind of denial here (Katrina) that I hear in unison regarding WTC attack: "Wouldn't, Couldn't".<br><br>And the answer to that is Yeah but "they" DID.<br><br>HOW is the secret part, but is secondary to WHO. For now, seeking the perps is number one, and it really shouldn't be so hard to do since they have so many on their payroll. <p></p><i></i>
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Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Tue Jan 10, 2006 2:59 pm

Well, for starters, it sure as hell isn't the friggin Yakuza 'manipulating the 'Rice future's market'..<br><br>And Bearden blaming the USSR for the Challenger disaster cause he saw a spoon bend in a restaurant in Florida doesn't exactly qualify as evidence for me either.<br><br><!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rolleyes --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>Ask yourself who has the biggest Black Budget and work through the list..I'd imagine it would be a pretty short one. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=etinarcadiaego@rigorousintuition>et in Arcadia ego</A> at: 1/10/06 12:00 pm<br></i>
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