Study says homeopathic medicines don't work

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Study says homeopathic medicines don't work

Postby Ted the dog » Fri Aug 26, 2005 1:19 pm

read the homeopathic doctor's assessment of the study. it's pretty interesting. <br><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9078909/">www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9078909/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><br><br>Study says homeopathic medicines don’t work <br>Evidence suggests remedies offer placebo effect, but no real benefits<br>Reuters <br>Updated: 12:14 p.m. ET Aug. 26, 2005 <br>LONDON - The world may be beating a path to the doors of homeopathic practitioners as an alternative to conventional medicines, but according to a new study they may just as well be taking nothing.<br>The study, published in Friday’s edition of the respected Lancet medical journal, is likely to anger the growing numbers of devoted practitioners of and adherents to alternative therapies that include homeopathy.<br>“There was weak evidence for a specific effect of homeopathic remedies, but strong evidence for specific effects of conventional interventions,” the study concluded.<br>“This finding is compatible with the notion that the clinical effects of homeopathy are placebo effects,” it added after examining findings from 110 homeopathy trials and an equal number of conventional medical trials.<br>In an editorial, the Lancet urged doctors to tell their patients they were wasting their time taking homeopathic medicines -- but also to make more time to connect with the patients rather than just prescribing and forgetting.<br>“Now doctors need to be bold and honest with their patients about homeopathy’s lack of benefits, and with themselves about the failings of modern medicine to address patients’ needs for personalized care,” the journal said.<br>Entitled “The end of homeopathy”, the editorial queried how homeopathy was growing in popularity by leaps and bounds when for the past 150 years trials had found it ineffective.<br>“It is the attitudes of patients and providers that engender alternative-therapy seeking behaviors which create a greater threat to conventional care -- and patients’ welfare -- than do spurious arguments of putative benefits from absurd dilutions,” it said.<br>Booming sales<br>Practitioners of homeopathic medicine, invented in the late 1700s by German physician Samuel Hahnemann, believe that the weaker the solution, the more effective the medicine.<br>In Britain alone, sales of homeopathic medicines have grown by a third in the past five years to 32 million pounds in 2004.<br>The study’s lead author and statistical analyst Matthias Egger of Switzerland’s University of Berne, said once data from small, less rigorous trials was extracted and evident bias in both taken into account, the conclusions were inescapable.<br>“We acknowledge that to prove a negative is impossible, but we have shown that the effects seen in placebo-controlled trials of homeopathy are compatible with the placebo-hypothesis,” he wrote.<br>But the British Homeopathic Association (BHA), which says it has 1,000 doctors on its books, strongly disagreed.<br>“The report should be treated with extreme caution. It is being heavily spun,” Peter Fisher, clinical director at the Royal London Homeopathic Hospital, said on behalf of the BHA.<br>“For a prestigious medical journal it is a strange bit of reporting. It is a small sample and they don’t even tell you what they are basing this on. Yet they come to these very sweeping conclusions and write this very strongly worded editorial,” he told Reuters.<br>“Homeopathy has been suffering these types of attacks for 200 years but it goes from strength to strength because people want it and many studies prove it works.”<br>Copyright 2005 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved. Republication or redistribution of Reuters content is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of Reuters. <br>© 2005 MSNBC.com<br>URL: <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9078909/">www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9078909/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Pure rot

Postby sparkinthedark » Fri Aug 26, 2005 1:49 pm

So full of garbage. Who funded this? WHo benefits. Homeopathy works brilliantly on animals. Are they suseptible to placebo effect? Homeopathy takes time and actual thought to match the right remedy to the patient so it is not possible to see a patient for 3 minutes- hand them pills and send hem on their way. It cured me of severe asthma and I have been completely drug free for several years. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Pure rot

Postby ZeroHaven » Fri Aug 26, 2005 2:13 pm

I thought homeopathy meant "natural" treatment and was ready to agree that this article was insane, but then I looked it up.<br><br>Dictionary says: <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>a system of medical practice that treats a disease by the administration of minute doses of a remedy that would in healthy persons produce symptoms similar to those of the disease</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>The definition makes it sound ridiculous, unless you're talking about vaccination. I'm all for natural, lab-chemical-free treatment. But what they're talking about sounds like .. say.. giving somebody small doses of Ex-Lax to treat diarrhea, or valium to treat chronic fatigue. <br><br>Is there another meaning to the word? I'm really confused now. <p><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a239/ZeroHaven/tinhat.gif"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--></p><i></i>
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Whoa!

Postby Connut » Fri Aug 26, 2005 2:33 pm

ZeroHaven, time to do a little research before you go into a knee-jerk reaction! The theory behind homeopathy is "like cures like". In other words the immune system produces a set of symptoms in endeavoring to clear the body of a problem. The homeopathic remedy simply gives the immune system a little more of what it's trying to produce and lets the body take over the healing process. This is highly oversimplified as an explanation but it's been a while since I studied it. If you are really interested in knowing how homeopathy works there are a lot of good books out there, try this site <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.minimum.com/">www.minimum.com/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Cheers, Connut <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Whoa!

Postby Sokolova » Fri Aug 26, 2005 3:11 pm

There have been many trials of homeopathy that have shown significant benefits - even on animals as another poster said. And unlike nine tenths of 'western' medicine it has no side effects.<br><br>You have to take this article in the context of a concerted effort being made right now to undermine 'alternative' medicine, including vitamin supplements. It's an effort spearheaded by Big Pharma and its mouthpieces. There's no patent to be made on alternative meds you see - so no big bucks. And in a wider context it's part of the bid to shut off all independent thought, all alternative ways of being and thinking, because anything 'different' is a threat; a chink in the armor of total control of mind and body. <br><br> Boy, I could tell daily horror stories of what it means to be a doctor in practise, and whose service we are<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em> really</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> in. <br><br>And BTW what the hell is 'just' the placebo effect? The mind's ability to mend the body by thought alone is not 'just' anything. It's one of the biggest miracles and mysteries in medicine. <br><br>Jesus that kind of arrogant ignorance makes me so sick<br><br>Ellie <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Whoa!

Postby ZeroHaven » Fri Aug 26, 2005 3:49 pm

Thanks, since I'm not big on books I just searched - good basic intro here for people as clueless as me.<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/homeopat.htm">www.shirleys-wellness-caf...meopat.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Connut, remember that the drooling masses aren't as informed as most of the people here. I'm only half-drooling so I looked up the definition and was asking for clarification. Hardly a knee-jerk. Thanks the link gave me buzzwords to search. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>Ellie, you're totally right about the placebo thing. If someone's belief that they're healing actually heals.. isn't that the most natural medicine of all? But alas, it doesn't bring in money!<br> <p><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a239/ZeroHaven/tinhat.gif"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=zerohaven>ZeroHaven</A> at: 8/26/05 1:50 pm<br></i>
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Postby Ted the dog » Fri Aug 26, 2005 6:23 pm

yep...that's exactly why this part was so interesting to me:<br><br>"“The report should be treated with extreme caution. It is being heavily spun,” Peter Fisher, clinical director at the Royal London Homeopathic Hospital, said on behalf of the BHA.<br><br><br>“For a prestigious medical journal it is a strange bit of reporting. It is a small sample and they don’t even tell you what they are basing this on. Yet they come to these very sweeping conclusions and write this very strongly worded editorial,” he told Reuters."<br><br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Why their study would fail

Postby sparkinthedark » Fri Aug 26, 2005 7:22 pm

Homeopathic remedies have to be very carefully matched to the patients entire physical and mental condition. There is no "one size fits all" cold medicine. If they simply used one standard remedy they would be insuring failure. Homepathic medicine is the polar oppositie of aleopathic "normal" medicine. Homeopathic medicine can actually cure a body instead of conventional drugs that mask the symptoms and allow one to function with the disease. <br><br>The history of Homeopathy is fascinating. It was the main system of health care before the petro-chemical drug industry helped to push medicine into the 5 minute office visit and a bottle of pills farce that American no as health care. It is used throughout he world with better health outcome and cheaper costs than our sick system. <p></p><i></i>
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Gary Null

Postby proldic » Sat Aug 27, 2005 2:33 pm

key spokesperson for alternative healing<br><br>key opponent of Codex Alimentarius<br><br>undisputedly the most popular show on WBAI besides DN<br><br>nuanced and educated conspiracy researcher on JFK, 9/11 going back 10 years at least<br><br>only one on (major figures) left calling out government on Waco when it was happening<br><br>first one covering 9/11 conspiracy on BAI/Pacifica for three years while DN ignored it (until Chip Berlet-Griffin debate)<br><br>major opponent of "Peak Oil" scam starting in 2003, with many programs and debates on the subject getting down to nitty-gritty <br><br>booted off the air for unorthodox stances<br><br>replaced by more Democracy Now programming <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Gary Null

Postby ZeroHaven » Sat Aug 27, 2005 5:15 pm

i keep seeing the same word "unproven " when looking at alternative-labelled stuff. critics of Gary say he "promoted unproven methods" of medical treatment.<br><br>Why the hell don't they just sit down and test them then? It seems like a really poor ploy to get people to think any such unproven stuff was tested and failed.. <br>The thing is, they use other words for failed tests. How do people get sucked into this crap? gheesh. <p><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a239/ZeroHaven/tinhat.gif"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--></p><i></i>
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Lethal '04 UK Hospital "Superbug" Infected 44,000

Postby proldic » Sat Aug 27, 2005 7:39 pm

The Independent 27 August 2005 <br><br>Lethal superbug hits 44,000 elderly patients <br>By Ben Russell, Political Correspondent <br><br>Record numbers of elderly people fell victim last year to a potentially lethal superbug which is plaguing Britain's hospitals...Concerns about the bug, Clostridium difficile, were first revealed in The Independent in June following an outbreak of a lethal strain at Stoke Mandeville Hospital. The figures yesterday showed that there were 44,488 cases... <br><br>The first published since reporting outbreaks became compulsory, the statistics show that the scale of the problem is greater than previously thought...<br> <br><br><br>XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX<br><br>Cases in Britain had risen from about 1,000 in the early 1990s to more than 20,000 by 2000 and caused the death of nearly 1,000 people in 2003.<br><br>XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX<br><br><br>Yesterday, the Department of Health said the increase in cases was due to better reporting and the increasing number of patients with serious conditions requiring antibiotics.<br><br>But union leaders blamed the rise on poor cleaning standards in hospitals and said the use of private-sector firms in the NHS had led to cuts in staff numbers.<br><br>Karen Jennings, head of health at the public service union Unison, said: "It's not rocket science. The way to wipe out these superbugs is to have cleaner hospitals and if you want cleaner hospitals you must have more cleaners. Cleaners are the front line of defence and yet contracting out has led to a drastic cut in the number of hospital cleaners. It's time to put that right.<br><br>Employ more cleaners, give them training and decent equipment and let them get on with the job of keeping our hospital wards, operating theatres and departments spotlessl . We can wipe out these superbugs and shake off the image of England as the superbug capital of Europe."...<br><br>Gordon Lishman, director general of the charity Age Concern England said: "The very high rates of this appalling infection will worry many older people as they are the biggest users of the NHS and are most likely to be exposed to it. Collating and publishing these figures is a step forward, however high standards of hygiene are paramount. Many hospitals are not doing enough to keep the wards safe and clean."<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/health_medical/article308358.ece">news.independent.co.uk/uk...308358.ece</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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