Please save my marriage

by **Dreams End** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 2:37 am

I need your help, RI'ers, and this time....it's personal. I've been under a lot of stress for personal reasons. Some of you know my wife is DID and this has been a tremendous strain. I have promised to begin with a therapist to help me deal with certain issues. I believe in therapy...if the practitioner is good...but we have some $$$ issues. But save your pennies for the RI shop...I'm looking for info...not money. Because, as those of you who read my posts regularly would expect, my attempt to find a therapist led me into really murky waters indeed. My wife works for a doctor and a patient of theirs is a psychologist. She liked him personally and he has an interesting sideline checking out cases of stigmata. He also has created a whole field in cognitive studies called "biocognition", which is pretty interesting. I link to his site below. <a href="http://www.biocognitive.com/VirtualE_News_Mag.htm">www.biocognitive.com/Virt...ws_Mag.htm</a> (this is the link to his "articles" page, from which come these quotes) Unfortunately, I continued to click away on his site to get more info on him and came across two very odd pieces he wrote and an interview he gave. They address 9/11 and how best to heal and respond. The weird thing is, he suggests that supporting the military and it's "retaliation" is an important part of that process. I found this disturbing. I will include a few quotes below. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>While historically we have not been the best ambassadors of our own democracy, it does not follow that we should assume the roots of evile generated from our impoerfect dealings with less abundant nations. Let's show compassion for the innocent AFTER we have destroyed the enemy that hates America more than they love their own people. (From Courage to Defend America's Retaliation)<hr></blockquote> Okay, so I don't like his politics. Should that be reason not to want to utilize his services? My wife is angry that I've rejected him on political grounds. However, other writings make clear that "retaliation" and the support of military actions in the name of retaliation are, in themselves, important for the "healing" and "health" of Americans. In a list of things you can do to stay mentally and physically healthy after 9/11 he offers this: <blockquote>Quote:<hr>...increase your righteous anger toward those who want to destroy you and your family; love and protect your country from foreign and domestic enemies.... (from the "Caroline Myss Newsletter"<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"> <hr></blockquote> <blockquote>Quote:<hr> America's military response (to 9/11)....has really helped. (The nation's collective health) would have been worse if we hadn't done anything. <hr></blockquote> From interview in Sarasota Herald Tribune. Further down the article states: <blockquote>Quote:<hr> Martinez suggest that "righteous anger" is the most appropriate response to the events of last month. And beyond support of the American military retaliation... (lists other steps to take to help with your physical and mental health.) And be as supportive as possible of the government. The terrorists want us to be divided and disrupted. Their game is fear. <hr></blockquote> Okay. So I know none of YOU would go to this guy. But it gets a little weirder. Besides pissing off my wife (who was just as devastated by the bombing of Afghanistan as by 9/11...i.e. she KNOWS better) I started to try to figure out what on earth is going on with this guy. I've never seen "support of military retaliation" as some sort of healing process. It's actually pretty sick. So as you see, he was in the "Caroline Myss" newsletter. He is a regular contributor to her site. So I looked her up. Oh, she's a proponent of "healing touch" therapy. That's fine with me. And what else is she? Oh, formerly on the board of "James Garrison's State of the World Forum." That can't be good. Here's her site: <a href="http://www.myss.com/bio.asp">www.myss.com/bio.asp</a> You are specially directed toward her writing about her multimedia presentation on "The Sacred Contract of America" which is a meditation based on a manuscript that is, I shit you not, the channeled autobiography of George Washington. <a href="http://www.myss.com/GeorgeSample.asp">www.myss.com/GeorgeSample.asp</a> Here is a taste of that: <blockquote>Quote:<hr> For me, exploring the SACRED CONTRACT OF AMERICA meant entering into the pursuit of the mystery of the founding of this extraordinary nation. Long before I began to pursue the research necessary to write a book examining the SACRED CONTRACT OF AMERICA, I believed America to be a sacred nation. It could be said, of course, that all nations are sacred because that is certainly the truth from a cosmic perspective. America, however, stands out in the arena of the sacred in that it was so consciously inspired by philosophies and spiritual principles (not religious, but spiritual), as is articulated in depth further on. I knew it was a nation steeped in mystical roots, but not until I saturated myself in the sacred literature and writings of America did I even come close to touching, sensing, and embracing a fragment of the "founding spirit" that possessed these first Americans. For one thing, I recognized that our founding Fathers and Mothers were political mystics disguised in the necessary costumes of the times. I've listened to people present arguments over their faults as men, as leaders, as racists - and they had their faults, most certainly. But to my way of thinking, their flaws make their accomplishments all the more extraordinary. If they had been fully formed Beings of Light, what would there be for the ordinary among us to admire? And why do we demand that those who inspire us be perfect while they are here on earth - or suffer the consequences of our wrath? So, flawed they were, but they were also Illuminates - individuals who were impassioned with a vision that a nation could exist in which the rights of the human spirit were honored above all else. As I read through the mystical literature of America, it occurred to me repeatedly that it was precisely because of this extraordinary spiritual vision that so much Divine intervention took place; Heaven wanted America to be born. Now, four years into this project, I've acquired a library of literature on the mystical history of this nation, including files and papers that I had no idea even existed. For all the arguments that can be placed on the table about what America has done during its brief lifetime, the fact is its beginning will always remain mystically extraordinary.<hr></blockquote> The State of the World Forum, of which Wyss was a board member, is here: <a href="http://www.worldforum.org/home/AmAsEmpire.htm">www.worldforum.org/home/AmAsEmpire.htm</a> This forum has some interesting supporters, such as George Soros and Strobe Talbott. What's their deal. I guess this quote sums it up: <blockquote>Quote:<hr> Dr. Garrison asserts that as the sole superpower, America must lead in shaping a new global order, an undertaking similar in scale to the efforts that Franklin Roosevelt and his successor Harry Truman undertook in shaping the post World War II international world order. This order, based on a balance of power between sovereign nation-states, stood for some fifty years, but is now crumbling under the pressures of globalization, persistent international poverty, terrorism, religious fundamentalism, and American foreign policy itself as practiced by the current Bush administration (well, bonus points for that last bit, anyway). Garrison concludes his book by calling on Americans to consciously see their country as a transitional empire, one whose task is not to dominate but to catalyze the next generation of global governance mechanisms that would make the need for empire obsolete and a historical anachronism. In short, he calls on America to be the empire to end all empires. <hr></blockquote> Your assignment, should you choose to accept it, is to tell me WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON HERE? Some of the rhetoric seems okay, but you tell an organization more by it's constituents than rhetoric. In that spirit have a look at their "partners" list. Lots of oil companies and some familiar folks from the "left" as well. Rockefellers, too, of course. And Soros, naturally. <a href="http://www.worldforum.org/about/partners.htm">www.worldforum.org/about/partners.htm</a> I think some have posted about this Forum before. Anyone heard of Myss? What's up with the George Washington b.s.? Am I overreacting here? Can I not, please, simply find a therapist to help me process the stress in my life who is not trying to turn me into a NWObot? Damn it! Edit: Oh, now it comes back to me. Garrison is the Esalen founder and we had that post with the link to the physicist who hung out with all these "elites". Same folks. I forgot the physicist's name and I can't figure out a way to search to unearth that link. Anyone help me out there? I kept thinking "scarpatti" but I'm off on the spelling, I think. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=dreamsend@rigorousintuition>Dreams End</A> at: 9/14/05 12:49 am

by **Inanna** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 2:49 am

I am new here, but I am not new to therapists, so I'd like to try to help a bit. What I have learned is there are many therapists out there with many different points of view. I've been to enough bad ones to realize a bad one can do more harm than good. You don't have to go with the first one you come across. I, personally, wouldn't feel comfortable seeing that person you mention, for the simple fact that person thinks very differently from me on what I consider to be a very important issue -- our response to 911, who are the real terrorists, etc. If politics were not important to me, I am sure I'd have another issue that would be most important in my choice of a therapist. Here's what I've done: I have made a list of different therapists -- maybe half a dozen. You can find them by calling the benefits people you deal with (your insurance). I then call them and ask them if they have just a few minutes to talk to me, in advance of meeting them, to see if it seems like it might be a good fit. If they say no, I cross them off the list. I then have a few questions which are most important to me so I can see where they are coming from. I don't spend more than five minutes on this, as I am not looking for a free therapy session via the phone, but I do think it's reasonable to at least get a sense of their position on maybe my most critical issue before meeting them in person. It's worked for me and others have liked the idea. Good luck.

by **maggrwaggr** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 2:57 am

What is D.I.D.? or if it's none of my business, that's okay, I'm just racking my brain trying to figure out what it is.

by * » Wed Sep 14, 2005 3:59 am

Richard Feynman spent time at Esalen. As for the therapist, I think your objections are legitimate. I wouldn't let this person within 20 feet of my psyche.

by **jenz** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 4:09 am

distrusted him after first quote - destroy? DID comes from trauma, who needs more of same. what's needed is a listener I think, (unjudgemental)

by **segovius** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 4:31 am

Jack Sarfatti <a href="http://www.mystae.com/restricted/streams/ufos/esalen.html">Esalen/Sarfatti stuff here</a>. Re your dilemma, basically it comes down to this: in politics, in therapy, in life we all have exactly the same problem - we do not see things as they are. Usually this causes confusion because of all the competing 'possibilities' but in the present age - and thanks to Bush and the fundies of all descriptions - we have a great advantage: everything has been reduced to a binary system of black and white. Something is now either right or wrong, good or evil. Bush said this and he is right for once, it just depends on who is 'good'. So, if I was in your position I would just talk to my wife and say something like this: it is the therapist's job to show you the truth of your situation. To move you from 'not seeing' to 'seeing'. To do this they must also be able to 'see'. Then I would ask her to decide whether the cards he has laid on the table (in the views he has expressed) are something she should learn to 'see' (ie reject her current 'false' ones) or that she should 'see through'. Good luck whatever, I hope it works out. My personal belief is that all sorts of therapies and channellers (perhaps all - I know several and they all channel right-wing dodgy stuff) and many 'spiritual groups' are tools of the powers that be and have been since the 60's. Stop looking at what they say so much and look at their effect: it is is universally one of instilling passive acceptance of whatever happens in millions of people. By their fruits you will know them.....

by **human** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 5:08 am

interesting stuff. as far as the therepist i dunno what to say because im totally insane myself.... so i have to say keep your head up, believe in love..... and yeah, America, aMERUca, the land of the plumed serpent, is definitly a occult experiment, some heavy stuff going on here and that channelled info is one perspective (not mine) of whats really going on here.... interesting stuff for sure.... one human?

by **human** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 5:22 am

if your therapist guy is who i think it is.... ......is a clinical psychologist, who specializes in how cultural and spiritual beliefs affect health and longevity. He lectures worldwide on his theory of Biocognition and on the investigations he has conducted of alleged cases of stigmata for the Catholic Church. sounds a little weird. i mean, interesting.... but like kinda weird where i wouldnt trust dude really at all... one human?

by **human** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 5:32 am

just realized you had even already wrote that.... hmmm... i dunno, seems really weird. fascinating stories im sure, but imagine, the dude who investigates stigmata FOR the Catholic Church.... i mean, thats some shit..

by **slimmouse** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 6:22 am

With the greatest respect DE, I have to say, I find it staggering that your wife, yourself or anyone else can even remotely consider this guy. Since to my mind, it is perfectly clear, that Anyone, and particularly a qualified proffessional, who hasnt seen 9/11 for what it was yet, is at the very best gullible to the extreme. Perhaps you should show him a copy of "confronting the evidence", and see whether cognitive dissonance then kicks in with him. In which case, and particularly with a psychiatrist who would suggest that we all eliminate cognitive dissonance from our Psyche, you can be pretty certain that the guys a qualified gatekeeper ( I have to say he sounds like one already - but Im always prepared to give people the benefit of the doubt ). If however, you show him the DVD confronting the evidence, and he has in the past been just a good guy whos never seen the REAL proof, then he might need a therapist himself I guess.<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/ohwell.gif ALT=":\">

by **AnnaLivia** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 7:24 am

Well, since you didn’t specify that only experts may post their opinions, I’ll say this: RUN HARD IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION FROM THESE PEOPLE Dreamsend, I have spent the past hour clicking links to all you posted, and rarely have I read such pure and unhelpful psychobabble drivel. Honest to god I feel almost sick, and like I need a bath, after reading that damaging crap and thinking of the people being mislead by it. I saw not one damn thing that was designed to clarify…one damn thing. I have no reservations about saying I see money-grubbing shysters playing science for brain-sport at the expense of vulnerable others who seek help. Tell your wife that your choice of therapist is yours to make, that you’re glad to talk to someone you feel you can relate to, but will not waste your money trying to fit yourself in with an agenda that is not yours (and enriching disingenuous profiteers). They’ll have you in therapy for years…just trying to understand their pretentious doublespeak! Hell, man…those people should be learning a thing or two from YOU. I think Inanna gave you some good advice. I pre-interviewed pediatricians when I was pregnant, and man was I glad I did. Good help is good, but the “characters” I have just read about are full of it and can do damage you may never recover from…and how the hell does that help your wife, or you? You wanna know why your wife “liked” this guy? Because the world would be a wonderful place if everyone was as nice as the guy who’s trying to skin you. There are caring and helpful therapists out there. I think talk therapy can be wonderful. It might take a couple of tries to find your fit, but I think you gotta trust your gut on this, when it says “this is not right for me”. Heading for the shower now, Anna

by **Qutb** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 8:47 am

STAY AWAY is my advice. That being said, this is very interesting, DE. I have posted about Garrisson and the State of the World forum before. In attendance at their first conference in 1995 were George Bush the elder, George Shultz, Zbigniew Brzezinski, Margaret Thatcher, Bill Gates, and lots of other people you wouldn't want to hang out with. The meetings are semi-secret, sort of like the Bilderberg group. No media. Garrisson, who among other things was a co-founder of the Christic Institute, co-hosted the 9/11 Convergence Conference last year (yes, he's into 9/11 Truth as well!), has worked at Esalen and cooperated with George Shultz, seems to be exploring ways to legitimize US world domination. He belongs to the Soros/Rockefeller faction, the "good cops" in the US/globalist elite. Ostensibly anti-neocon, he writes about how the American empire needs a "transcendent vision" and how everybody needs to be united behind the lofty ideals of the Empire. A kinder, gentler totalitarianism. Somehow, the "America is a sacred land", "founding fathers were Illuminates", "beings of light" stuff fits in very well with this. It is all very reminiscent of the "God speaks through the Republicans", "Bush is chosen by God" delusions of the right-wing theocrats, only targetted at a slightly different segment of the population perhaps. Are there plans afoot to expand the experiment? The SWF is infamous for inviting all sorts of peddlers of "alternative" spirituality, but no representatives from traditional religions like mainstream Christianity, Islam or Judaism. Of course, "killing Afghans is important for our national healing" fits the agenda as well, in the most hair-raising way. Qutb means "axis," "pole," "the center," which contains the periphery or is present in it. The qutb is a spiritual being, or function, which can reside in a human being or several human beings or a moment. It is the elusive mystery of how the divine gets delegated into the manifest world and obviously cannot be defined. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=qutb>Qutb</A> at: 9/14/05 8:29 am

by **Avalon** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 9:32 am

Dreams End, I only had a few minutes for a quick look right now, so I'm just going on a first impression. Most of the original links you give for him are from 2001, when he as well as the rest of us was trying to heal from the shock of 9/11. I did see that after the righteous anger bit in the Myss article he said to hang on to that righteous anger only as long as is needed to resolve the issue. He mentions forgiveness as well, which at that point in 2001 was generally anathema, I found. Forgiveness is a real sensitive issue that most people don't know how to talk about appropriately, and if your wife has a history of abuse it needs to be handled _very_ carefully, in a way that empowers her. If you decide to ask him any questions, ask how his views have changed since 2001. If they haven't, that might be a sign that the fit is not good. From what I've seen of you, healing that is based on someone else getting hurt as a result of American imperialism is not acceptable. Wishing you wisdom in this.

by **rain** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 9:57 am

'stick to your guns' (irony). this is part of getting to see how the 'matrix' works, and sometimes in the most personal and painful ways. remember the post you wrote that I referred to as a 'coming of age'. next step. trust your 'rigorous intuition', and your heart.

by sw » Wed Sep 14, 2005 9:59 am

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