Canadian insurance & wait-lists?

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Canadian insurance & wait-lists?

Postby hathawas » Tue Jan 17, 2006 6:19 pm

I know this isn't the sort of topic usually covered here, but I've twice heard a story on NPR (the same story???) about Canadians having to wait months (like 10 or 14--??) to get diagnostic tests. The story goes on to say Canadians are paying out of pocket for treatment in the U.S. and there are even travel companies (from the U.S.--??) setting up offices near Canadian hospitals to book flights/etc. from Canada to medical centers in the U.S.. <br><br>The voice of the reporter doesn't sound familiar and the rushed nature of the report--and the smooth, 'too-perfect' (to my ear) 'feel' of the story--along with my sense it's timed/crafted to counter U.S. interest in a government-provided insurance/medical program leave me wondering: planted story?<br><br>Any Canadians (Jeff?) know first hand about this? Anyone, in general, heard anything on this? <p></p><i></i>
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Postby wondering » Tue Jan 17, 2006 6:54 pm

Yes, cause there are / have been conflicting stories about "socialist" vs "best in the world U. S." medical systems. Always stories about waiting. But since people who have no insurance have waited many years <br> for treatment, ... some conditions are wait-listed, some not? crappy greedy docs and med corp's can exist in ANY system <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Canadian insurance & wait-lists?

Postby OnoI812 » Tue Jan 17, 2006 7:58 pm

My friend lives in Sweden..the wait isn't that bad , but some planning is required, same thing if you want to reserve a public tennis court in the very short summer months. The service is top notch once you get there.<br><br><br>Basicly in the US, there is no wait, because hardly anyone whom has no real job , has insurance. Therefore they will wait till it's life or death situations before going for care. There is an awful lot that have no real job, therefore that kind of takes care of the line problem...<br><br>Try going to a hospital that has a heavy immigrant presence, (like the SW states) and you will have an ER line problem, even if you are insured <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Canadian insurance & wait-lists?

Postby StarmanSkye » Tue Jan 17, 2006 9:54 pm

Actually, this issue has a very real, important parapolitical relevance to this forum -- namely, strong possibility of it being planted disinfo as part of the neoliberal PTB agenda of 'defending' privatized medicine on behalf of their Big Medicine/Pharmacy clients. The NPR venue this story was featured on is no less significant for what that says about powerful status-quo interests coopting 'alternative' and 'left'-leaning media sources through Wall Street-connected PR and 'news' services to promote their message. I take it the NPR story you heard featured a one-sided tale of woe? But then, I've seen references (well, 2002 anyway) to NPR stories that DID criticize the American Health care system -- I don't know how balanced this issue may be.<br><br>Among the google sources I checked to get some background, I found the following by a canadian doctor with recent experience in the US medical system, making some keen points from HIS perspective.<br><br>I gather, Canada is sending some 45 billion dollar to the provinces for medical care improvements and to buy needed equipment, with the goal of reducing wait times for testing and diagnostics -- so hopefully there ARE constructive changes happening.<br>Starman<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.pnhp.org/news/2004/august/_canadian_health_car.php">www.pnhp.org/news/2004/au...th_car.php</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>Canadian health care better than we think<br>By Dave Zweifel <br>August 16, 2004<br><br>Thanks to years of propaganda from the giant corporations with a vested interest in the U.S. health system, Americans have a somewhat jaundiced view of Canada’s national health insurance program.<br><br>We’re told that Canadians have to wait for simple procedures and that there are huge waiting lines for surgery. Doctors aren’t compensated adequately. We’ve been told that so often that we think it’s true. Almost all of it, however, is false.<br><br>The Canadian plan sometimes is short of money as government there, like here, is constantly under pressure to make cuts. But Canada’s single-payer program functions much better than our system. We spend an incredible $1.6 trillion for health care every year under our convoluted system, but still have 45 million citizens without any coverage. At a minimum in Canada everyone has health care and at a much lesser cost.<br><br>Pat Cornwell, one of this column’s regular readers, sent me an article written by a Canadian doctor after he and a group of colleagues spent some time working in our U.S. health system. Suffice it to say that America’s health insurers and drug companies aren’t passing the article around.<br><br>It was printed recently in Public Citizen’s health letter to underscore how messed up our health system has become.<br><br>“I just don’t get it,” the Canadian doc began. “Health care in America and the present debate regarding its reform don’t make any sense to me - no way. Even now, with a year’s stateside experience under my belt, I am still utterly baffled by what seems to be incompatibility between apparent fundamentals of the U.S. health care system and its professed goal of improving American health.<br><br>“Many Americans have tried diligently to explain their system to us but we’re still perplexed. And to compound perplexity, even while we were struggling to understand the American system of health care delivery, we were challenged from every side to defend the Canadian one. This was not totally unexpected, but the overload of misinformation among Americans about Canadian health care definitely was.”<br><br>He goes on to question why Americans have this compulsion to link health care and employment.<br><br>“What does being employed have to do with need for health care? Don’t the jobless also get sick?” he asked. “It seems to me that if you are so unlucky as to become ill enough to require health care, this may limit your opportunities for current or future employment.”<br><br>The doctor also wonders why the U.S. system has separate health programs for different groups: “gold-plated plans for the affluent, more meager plans for the less well-off, Medicaid for the poor (some of the poor, to be strictly accurate), Medicare for the elderly and disabled?”<br><br>But what perplexes him most about the U.S. system is why Americans don’t demand that adequate health care be defined as a universal human right.<br><br>“America has led the world in establishing ‘rights’ to many things … is it not time for a ‘right’ to adequate health care, extended to and enjoyed by all?” he wrote.<br><br>Dave Zweifel is editor of The Capital Times. E-mail: dzweifel@madison.com.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Canadian insurance & wait lists & COOPTING LIBERAL M

Postby hathawas » Tue Jan 17, 2006 11:03 pm

actually, the bit about this being on NPR and whether that represented some sort of attempt to undermine liberal, or alternative media outlets is maybe more of concern than the dissemination of misinformation on this particular topic. Seems like the 60 Minutes/Mike Wallace 'phony' Bush Nat. Guard ploy (I haven't read it here but assume that is seen as a trap that Wallace walked right into--or something along those lines), the NYTs mis-coverage of just about everything lately (OK, maybe not everything), and--going back a few years--the BBC losing some of its independence (coming under more political supervision of some sort)--and now this. <br><br>I've heard enough about corporatization of the media to have general disregard for commercial outlets. I see a deep, Rovian game to strike at thee forums liberals/free thinkers depend on. If the disinfo doesn't fool ya, knowing it came from your dearly beloved news source will leave you demoralized/paralized. <br><br>Are blogs like this next? Do we have a back up plan? (if so, don't tell me now, here--who knows who might be listening?!?, er, actually, if we don't talk here, to each other, maybe that means the PTB have already succeeded. Hmm. I'm not liking this. ) <p></p><i></i>
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