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Postby professorpan » Wed Jul 26, 2006 2:03 am

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/health/bal-ailment0725,0,4972661.story?track=rss">www.baltimoresun.com/news...?track=rss</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Interesting to me that the CDC is not screaming "delusional parasitosis!" at the top of its lungs, but considering the reality of this disease. That is a dramatic change. <br><br>--<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Mystery ailment gets under skin</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>CDC doesn't know what it is, but thousands complain of painful symptoms<br><br>By Howard Witt<br>Tribune senior correspondent<br><br>July 25, 2006, 11:00 AM EDT<br><br>AUSTIN, Texas -- The symptoms sound like something straight out of a horror movie: crawling and biting sensations all over the skin, dementia and insomnia, painful sores that never heal and, most terrifying of all, mysterious tangled fibers pushing out through the open wounds.<br><br>Thousands of victims concentrated in Texas, California and Florida claim to be afflicted by the debilitating malady, for which there is no known cause and no certain cure. One young Austin man apparently committed suicide when the agony grew too acute, while many others, spurned by disbelieving doctors, are suffering in silence.<br><br>But whether the symptoms constitute a frightening new disease suddenly surfacing across the nation or a case of mass hysteria abetted by Internet message boards and breathless local TV news reports is a question that experts at the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta are urgently trying to answer.<br><br>Depending on the CDC's conclusions, the ailment known as Morgellons disease might soon displace Ebola and bird flu as the world's newest nightmare disease. But unlike those illnesses, which are still far from U.S. shores, Morgellons cases have already been reported in every state, as well as in Europe, Japan, Australia and other countries.<br><br>"We don't know yet what it is, so our first aim is to try to characterize it scientifically," said Dan Rutz, a CDC spokesman. "There's a concern that there's an infectious process going on. It would be very disturbing from a public health standpoint if that turns out to be case. We don't have any evidence to support that, but we are approaching this with an open mind."<br><br>For the moment, many health officials consider Morgellons a puzzling set of symptoms; only if the CDC experts can establish a definitive diagnosis and rule out other causes would Morgellons rise to the level of an official disease.<br><br>But whatever it is, more than 4,500 sufferers of the syndrome, the symptoms of which were first described in France more than 400 years ago, have registered with the Morgellons Research Foundation, an advocacy group founded by a South Carolina mother whose 2-year-old son came down with the mysterious symptoms. Morgellons researchers believe the actual number of those afflicted is far higher.<br><br>One of the most prominent victims is former Chicago White Sox pitcher Billy Koch, who along with his wife, Brandi, was stricken several years ago, Brandi Koch confirmed.<br><br>Morgellons victims have no doubt that the joint pain, fatigue and self-described "brain fog" they are suffering is real. From the crusty lesions that break out all over their bodies, they say they routinely yank blue, red, black and translucent filaments, some of them as long as an eyelash and others visible only under a microscope. Sometimes, instead of fibers, they extract small black granules resembling tiny peppercorns.<br><br>"When the lesions and fibers appear, it feels like there's something stinging you from inside your skin," said Stephanie Bailey, 35, an Austin resident who's on medical leave from her job with the state environmental agency. "It sounds so unbelievable that people just think you are nuts. But this is not something I am making up."<br><br>Yet that is precisely what skeptics insist the Morgellons sufferers are doing.<br><br>Some experts in dermatology and psychiatry say the hallmark traits of Morgellons -- the crawling sensations, the mystery fibers and the penchant of sufferers to obsessively collect samples of the granules and fuzz to show their doctors -- closely resemble a well-known psychiatric condition known as delusions of parasitosis, the belief that tiny bugs are burrowing beneath the skin.<br><br>The lesions are self-inflicted, caused by incessant scratching at the imagined parasites, the skeptics insist. The fibers are nothing more than lint from clothing, tissues or bandages. And the hypochondria is being spread thanks to sensational "sweeps week" TV news reports and Web sites, which reinforce the beliefs of psychologically vulnerable people that they have contracted a new disease.<br><br>Plugging the terms "lesions and fibers" into an Internet search engine yields links to hundreds of Morgellons-relating postings, as well as wild theories that the disease is the result of a secret government experiment gone awry, chemicals sprayed from the sky or contaminated bottled water from France.<br><br>"In dermatology, we speak about something called an 'outside job,' which is a skin eruption made by the patient himself," said Dr. Noah Scheinfeld, an assistant professor of dermatology at Columbia University in New York and an expert on the psychiatric origins of certain skin disorders. "When you look at the pictures of these Morgellons lesions, they are classic for that."<br><br>The diagnosis is complicated further by the fact that some Morgellons patients do indeed exhibit delusional behaviors. But Morgellons believers say such psychiatric symptoms are a result of the torments inflicted by the disease, not its cause.<br><br>That's what Lisa Wilson said happened to her 23-year-old son, Travis, a former drug user who she said suffered from insomnia, fatigue, lesions and fibers sprouting from his fingers for more than a year. Desperate for relief, Travis tried burning the fibers out of his skin with matches and dousing them with household chemicals, Wilson said.<br><br>Ultimately, he came to believe he was being followed by the FBI and ended up being committed to mental hospitals nearly a dozen times.<br><br>On April 23, Travis died of an overdose of more than 50 pills, including painkillers and sedatives, an apparent suicide.<br><br>"The only pre-existing condition he had was depression," Wilson said. "It was the Morgellons that made him crazy. You could see the fibers coming out of his fingers, but the doctors wouldn't examine him."<br><br>Mary Leitao, who started the Morgellons Research Foundation, said she long ago grew accustomed to being doubted by doctors whenever she sought help for her son, who is now 7 and still suffering from recurring lesions.<br><br>"They suggested that maybe I was neurotic," Leitao said of her attempt to have her son examined by infectious disease experts at Johns Hopkins Hospital. "They said they were not interested in seeing him because I had Munchausen syndrome by proxy" -- a mental illness in which a parent fabricates a child's illness or intentionally injures a child.<br><br>But Dr. Raphael Stricker, a Lyme disease specialist in San Francisco, said he has no doubt about the reality of Morgellons disease, which he and others suspect may be related to Lyme disease because many Morgellons sufferers also test positive for the tick-borne illness.<br><br>"This is a real phenomenon," Stricker said. "A lot of these patients are really very sane, down-to-earth, normal people who aren't psychotic or crazy and yet have these bizarre problems with their skin. After you see that over and over, you have to start taking it seriously."<br><br>Controversy is swirling around other aspects of Morgellons as well. A New Mexico physician who was treating Morgellons patients with an insecticide paste made of ground-up seashells lost his medical license in April for improperly prescribing narcotics.<br><br>And an Austin nurse-practitioner who put Morgellons sufferers on long-term antibiotics, in violation of Texas medical protocols, had to leave the state when her sponsoring doctor declined to endorse her methods.<br><br>"I'm just experimenting with treatments, shooting in the dark here," said the nurse, Virginia Savely, who has seen more than 150 Morgellons patients and now practices in San Francisco under Stricker's auspices. "When I hit on a combo that works great for one person, it's not as though it works for the next person."<br><br>The strange fibers that distinguish Morgellons remain the subject of intense debate.<br><br>The author of a Web site devoted to debunking Morgellons disease, www.morgellonswatch.com, has posted pictures of magnified fibers that look exactly like the pictures of filaments shown on the Morgellons foundation Web site. In reality, the debunker wrote, the fibers were pulled from "a healing zit" and came from a "combed cotton and polyester black shirt." The author declined an e-mail request to reveal his identity.<br><br>Yet Dr. Randy Wymore, a researcher at Oklahoma State University-Tulsa and the volunteer research director for the Morgellons foundation, said fiber samples he has examined from dozens of patients resemble no other man-made or environmental material he can find.<br><br>"When I started this, I was skeptical," he said. "I didn't think there was any possibility that these fibers could really be in people's skin. My expectation was that I was going to be telling them this is nylon or wool or cotton. But the opposite was true -- I couldn't scrounge up a single sample that resembled these fibers at a microscopic level."<br><br>Moreover, Wymore said, with the aid of a powerful microscope, he has examined some Morgellons fibers lodged beneath the unbroken skin of some patients.<br><br>"When dermatologists say these patients are either intentionally scratching themselves or it's just fuzz from their clothing, well, there's no way that would be visible under unbroken skin," Wymore said. "Do I have any clue what's actually going on here? Absolutely none. But there's no question about the fibers: They are not just environmental contaminants."<br><br>hwitt@tribune.com <p></p><i></i>
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Re: More Morgellons

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Wed Jul 26, 2006 2:19 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Plugging the terms "lesions and fibers" into an Internet search engine yields links to hundreds of Morgellons-relating postings, as well as wild theories that the disease is the result of a secret government experiment gone awry, chemicals sprayed from the sky or <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>contaminated bottled water from France.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>"bottled water from France"?<br><br>Is there some US vs France corporate battle over bottled water going on or is this just an obligatory Freedom Fries-style hit at France?<br><br>Funny that so many sufferers test positive for Lyme Disease which seems to have crawled out of the bioweapon testing labs on Plum Island near the shores of southern Connecticut and Long Island.<br><br>Did the weather modification cloud seeding chemtrails also get used to test bioweapons? Or perhaps fibers used to keep the chemtrail plumes aloft longer picked up bacteria from on high?<br><br>People have picked up very long filaments that came down after chemtrails were sprayed in the area so maybe mold or bacteria came down with them.<br><br>That's one theory floating anyway. Never heard of problems with "French bottled water." Hmph.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: More Morgellons

Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Wed Jul 26, 2006 2:29 am

I've seen the filaments; they were coming down for more than 6 months up until about February. I saw threads that were in excess of 50-60 feet. A friend of mine made a video recording in Texas of the filaments literally covering every square inch of his father's property..<br><br>I don't know what the relationship is, if any. I don't know if it's man-made or something that hitches a ride to earth from the stratosphere, but whatever it is, I have little doubt that these people are experiencing a real affliction. <p>____________________<br>Some are born to sweet delight, some are born to endless night.</p><i></i>
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Re: More Morgellons

Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Wed Jul 26, 2006 2:42 am

By the way, since the 'filaments' have been brought up, I've not seen this board address them using the established internet vernacular for them:<br><br>Angel Hair<br><br>Doing a google search, you'll come across everything from claims of chemtrail material to Aurora/ET craft exhaust to accounts of it that predate the development of aircraft.<br><br>I saw enough of this stuff fall in the last year that I thought I was going to lose my mind over it. The only natural explanation for it is balloning spider silk from newly hatched spiders, but it's impossible for that to account for the size and profussion of what I witnessed. <p>____________________<br>Some are born to sweet delight, some are born to endless night.</p><i></i>
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Re: More Morgellons

Postby professorpan » Wed Jul 26, 2006 2:55 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>A friend of mine made a video recording in Texas of the filaments literally covering every square inch of his father's property..<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Any chance you can get him/her to upload it?<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: More Morgellons

Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Wed Jul 26, 2006 2:58 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Any chance you can get him/her to upload it?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Yes. Matter of fact, it may already be online. I'll ask him tommorrow. The stuff is literaly hanging off of every branch and covering every inch of ground in his videos. <p>____________________<br>Some are born to sweet delight, some are born to endless night.</p><i></i>
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Re: More Morgellons

Postby bvonahsen » Wed Jul 26, 2006 2:05 pm

Yes, it would be nice to see the videos. He can put them on YouTube easy. <br><br>Hugh's idea that the filaments could be picking up bacteria high up is brilliant. And that the CDC is not takiing the delusional or OCD angle <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>is</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> rather odd. That is what I have thought, that the sufferers were merely obsessive compulsives picking at their skin (there is a name for that, don't remember it).<br><br>I wonder what happens when those long filaments get caught up in a thunderhead and become electrically charged? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: More Morgellons

Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Wed Jul 26, 2006 5:03 pm

Ok, I talked to my buddy, and he only has one more video saved that I'm uploading to youtube. Him and I both observed these falling webstands for months on end that(for me at least) abruptly ceased somewhere between January/February.<br><br>Look at the material hanging from the trees blowing in the wind. There were several other videos and stills of the entire field covered head to toe in the same material, but he doesn't have them saved anymore at this point. We both tried to engage discussions at CTC, but when CTC was hollowed out, we both became very discouraged and he dropped from persuing the subject to a large degree, and I don't really blame him as we hit one wall after another.<br><br>Link coming in a few minutes. <p>____________________<br>Some are born to sweet delight, some are born to endless night.</p><i></i>
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Re: More Morgellons

Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Wed Jul 26, 2006 5:09 pm

Link:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6uPf4ucEvo">www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6uPf4ucEvo</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p>____________________<br>Some are born to sweet delight, some are born to endless night.</p><i></i>
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cottonwood blizzards?

Postby Corvidaerex » Wed Jul 26, 2006 8:09 pm

Helluva lot of lens flare there, hard to see much of anything. Other than a few little guys floating down, at the very end I can see what appears to be gauzy threads in those trees.<br><br>I've seen the "angel hair" floating in the spring sky in my neck of the woods (Sierra Nevada) from time to time. The two explanations I can come up with are the aforementioned spider webs and the cottonwood trees, which truly go crazy in the late spring with gobs and gobs of cottony webby stuff that catches everywhere. A few days a year, it looks like an actual blizzard. <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.uark.edu/misc/ents/fieldtrips/minnesota/cottonwood_blizzard.htm">www.uark.edu/misc/ents/fi...izzard.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br><br>It is a delightfully weird annual show; my kids love it and go running and yelling through the "blizzard." Here's the only online pic I could find <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.dakota.co.uk/blog/full%20size/new/aspen_cottonwood.jpg">www.dakota.co.uk/blog/ful...onwood.jpg</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> ... much more dramatic in real life!<br><br>Is there something else going down? I don't know. But there's a telling quote in one Morgellons story from a doctor who "cures" Morgellons by putting a plaster cast over the affected limb. The disease goes away when the patient can't scratch at it. <p></p><i></i>
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zx

Postby orz » Wed Jul 26, 2006 8:23 pm

wow, weird + scary stuff...<br><br><br>haha french bottled water! <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rolleyes --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> For once I'm with you on this one Hugh... the whole anti-french thing is something that I've found just astonishing... I mean, it's like a joke... like if you thought of the least likely country to launch a propaganda capaighn against... yet there it is...<br><br><br>Not to dismiss morgellons at all, I'm sure it could well be geniune, but this (like most things these days) makes me think of PKD... this time the devestating opening paragraph of "A Scanner Darkly":<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Once a guy stood all day shaking bugs from his hair. The doctor told him there were no bugs in his hair. After he had taken a shower for eight hours, standing under hot water hour after hour suffering the pain of the bugs, he got out and dried himself, and he still had bugs in his hair; in fact, he had bugs all over him. A month later he had bugs in his lungs.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: zx

Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Wed Jul 26, 2006 9:07 pm

Corvidaerex, sorry the quality of the video isn't better, but this stuff was definately NOT cottonwood material. It's thinner than spider silk, dissipates after a couple of days(24-36 hours from my location), and casts a very different highlight than spider silk, like a metallic blue.<br><br>Late one night I went outside my house while there was a pretty heavy patch of fog. I had a hunch and grabbed a flashlight and started looking around. <br><br>The stuff was literally everywhere, especially visible on my back yard metal fence which served as a perfect collector for it.<br><br>The beam of light caught the moisture on the threads and comparing them to regular spider webs showed even the size of the water beads were different(much smaller).<br><br>There was a definitive relationship between the material's presence and weather conditions. Every time there was a cloudless day the stuff rained from above, and initially there was something like 4 weeks that went by without seeing a single cloud in the sky with this shit coming down all day and night. I came into contact with it many times, once even watching the shit land on my daughter, but we didn't show any kind of symptoms of anything afterwards.<br><br>I have no idea what it is, but there's no existing natural explanation that satisfies me at all. <p>____________________<br>Some are born to sweet delight, some are born to endless night.</p><i></i>
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Re: zx

Postby bvonahsen » Wed Jul 26, 2006 9:19 pm

Any way you can collect it? I know that the folks who look into chemtrails are interested in reasearching such things. They try to find independant labs that they can trust and send them samples.<br><br>Could be spiders though, I mean, there are probably thousands of different species. The newborns are tiny and a single thread is enough to carry them quite a ways. Small insects have been found very high in the atmosphere. Some can even revive themselves after being nearly frozen up in the stratosphere. <p></p><i></i>
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thinner

Postby Corvidaerex » Wed Jul 26, 2006 9:24 pm

Yeah, that doesn't sound like Cottonwood at all ... you can't get rid of the Cottonwood stuff. I stupidly had my garage open during this year's blizzard and I *still* have the gunk all over the garage.<br><br>A good tip for videotaping such stuff (or anything, really) is to get the sun *behind* you. To go into that stand of trees and have the sun backlighting the strands would be good.<br><br>Did anyone pick up this stuff and examine it? A lab test might be very interesting .... <p></p><i></i>
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Re: thinner

Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Wed Jul 26, 2006 10:04 pm

Impossible to capture these on film without them in between you and the Sun; that's what's so insideous about them. If you don't have them highlighted by sunlight, you will _NOT_ see them at all..<br><br>Two methods of looking for them:<br><br>1 - During sunrise or sunset, when the Sun's at a low altitude, take a look in an open area like a yard of grass. The Sun will catch on them and reveal them. Results are better at Sunset.<br><br>2 - Find a way to occlude the Sun's disk as close to the limb as possible(I used a corner of my home's roof, etc). Give yourself a few seconds and examine the area in the surrounding Corona and you will see them gliding by very easily at varying heights, some impressively distant. Your best chances of seeing them as I said are on days when there is little or absolutely no clouds in the sky. <br><br>Working with my friend in Texas, we made the observation that days he saw trails being made meant cloudless days for me 24 hours later. I had an opinion that whatever the trails were, they did not generate clouds, or at least the intention wasn't cloud generation, but cloud <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>absorption</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> after the material dessiminated fully. When those cloudless days were there, you could see these gigantic threads passing by constantly above and watch them literally coming down all around you as long as you were in a position to highlight them. Again, I must stress I wasn't hallucinating, my wife and neighbors saw this with me repeatedly as well as friends and co-workers, and my friend in Texas was able to make several videos of the stuff, of which the one you saw is the only surviving copy.<br><br>As far as collecting it goes, the stuff is so delicate that when you try and handle it, another behavior reveals itself that makes a departure from spider silk: The stuff usually 'snaps' on direct contact and kinks up, making handling difficult to impossible. You could take a stick, say, and try wrapping it around one, but the stuff is so incredibly thin that after wrapping it dozens of times around a branch or whatnot, you can hardly see it at all, even with the Sun shining down on it. It's easiest to see in flight or when it's hanging off something blowing in the wind, cause the motion of the stuff causes the Sunlight to glance down it's entire length.<br><br>It's almost invisible otherwise. <br><br>The lifespan of the stuff where I was at was less than 2 days. I based this observation on the fact that the material did not accumulate. I would cut my grass, notice that it was all covered again the next day, but it never began to pile up to any degree. The general understanding was the stuff tends to last longer and accumulate more the farther west one is, so my big pet theory is this stuff is what is seen in the giant 'ship tracks' out in the pacific that lay those enormous grids that goes ignored by 99.9% of everyone in chemtrail discussions.<br><br>I think what people call chemtrails are normal contrails accentuated by JP8 fuel that premit the craft to fly at higher altitudes where the contrails persist more. That in tandem with possible super-saturation states in localized atmospheres that prevent the plane's exhaust from fully dissipating into the enviornment.<br><br>This shit I think comes from something else..<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://goes.gsfc.nasa.gov/pub/goes/050930.otis.gif">goes.gsfc.nasa.gov/pub/go...0.otis.gif</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> (LARGE graphic) <p>____________________<br>Some are born to sweet delight, some are born to endless night.</p><i></i>
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