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fletcher wrote:sorry, I was tempted into the sin of coveting your topic
fletcher wrote:perhaps it would be helpful to define what we mean by bullshit.
If you feel that your wiccan cirle of protection really protects you
then fine. it doesn't really protect you though.
That's what i would define as bullshit.
As far as Rituals having a non-bullshit "real" emotional effect
I think they do.
Native American Rituals come to mind especially.
The vision quest for example.
And Shamanism. More to that than mere bullshit.
are those "underground" religions?
I don't know.
I've always been interested in Native American folklore
and traditions.
I'm just cool like that.
FourthBase wrote:Okay, so...
Normal ordinary mainstream religious beliefs and rituals are bullshit...
But the cool "underground" religions, they're still not bullshit?
Joe Hillshoist wrote:FourthBase wrote:Okay, so...
Normal ordinary mainstream religious beliefs and rituals are bullshit...
But the cool "underground" religions, they're still not bullshit?
Rituals have a power of their own and it isn't just self hypnosis.
Its a completely natural effect, but it gets called supernatural cos its not understood in a rational way. It might be one day, then it'll be considered natural.
I believe with perfect faith that the Creator, blessed be His Name, is the Creator and Guide of everything that has been created; He alone has made, does make, and will make all things.
I believe with perfect faith that the Creator, blessed be His Name, is One, and that there is no unity in any manner like His, and that He alone is our God, who was, and is, and will be.
I believe with perfect faith that the Creator, blessed be His Name, is not a body, and that He is free from all the properties of matter, and that there can be no (physical) comparison to Him whatsoever.
I believe with perfect faith that the Creator, blessed be His Name, is the first and the last.
I believe with perfect faith that to the Creator, blessed be His Name, and to Him alone, it is right to pray, and that it is not right to pray to any being besides Him.
I believe with perfect faith that all the words of the prophets are true.
I believe with perfect faith that the prophecy of Moses, our teacher, peace be upon him, was true, and that he was the chief of the prophets, both of those who preceded him and of those who followed him.
I believe with perfect faith that the entire Torah that is now in our possession is the same that was given to Moses, our teacher, peace be upon him.
I believe with perfect faith that this Torah will not be exchanged, and that there will never be any other Torah from the Creator, blessed be His name.
I believe with perfect faith that the Creator, blessed be His name, knows all the deeds of human beings, and all their thoughts, as it says: "Who fashioned the hearts of them all, Who comprehends all their actions." (Psalms 33:15)
I believe with perfect faith that the Creator, blessed be His Name, rewards those that keep His commandments and punishes those that transgress them.
I believe with perfect faith in the coming of the Messiah; and even though he may tarry, nonetheless I wait every day for his coming.
I believe with perfect faith that there will be a revival of the dead at the time when it shall please the Creator, blessed be His name, and His mention shall be exalted for ever and ever.
cptmarginal wrote:belief system or blanket statement = B.S.
John Lilly wrote:"In the province of the mind, what one believes to be true is true or becomes true, within certain limits to be found experientially and experimentally. These limits are further beliefs to be transcended. In the mind, there are no limits... In the province of connected minds, what the network believes to be true, either is true or becomes true within certain limits to be found experientially and experimentally. These limits are further beliefs to be transcended. In the network's mind there are no limits."
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