by professorpan » Wed Feb 22, 2006 3:58 pm
<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>There were previous such official "breakthroughs", - ie LSD. It comes and goes. If this is another "round", as the previous one, in ten years, the decision will be reversed, and lawsuits will be filed by those adversely affected by this new drug. There are known connections between drugs/big money/sick occultism.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>The case was referred back to a Federal Court, so this victory for cognitive freedom may be short-lived (I don't know all the details, but I spoke to a person involved with the case who told me this). <br><br>I don't see this ruling as anything sinister -- I truly believe the court decided that the UDV's use of ayahuasca is protected, and that their religious use is legitimate. And it's not like ayahuasca churches are any threat to mainstream religion.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>In israel, Ecstasy was the nectar of the gods, for a while. Now, it probably is going to be this ayasoca, etc. etc. I met several people in Israel who are still convinced that the ecstasy they ingested twice or more, healed them from all trauma, afflictions and powerlessness. They would not even HEAR about evidence to the contrary. they truly think everyone should receive a few doses, under controlled conditions (safety etc.), and ALL THEIR psychological, spiritual and personal problems are GONE. The other layer are the pushers, big money, and then government, etc. etc. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>MDMA is a very effective psychological medicine. Have you considered that maybe the people you met are being honest with you? I have known many examples of people who have greatly benefitted from MDMA therapy, which is why it became so popular with underground therapists in the first place -- it can be a powerful catalyst for healing.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>the facilitators and PR people are the middle class yuppies who get free samples and maybe some covert bribes from those behind the campaigns.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Again, I suggest you look into the subject a bit further before casting aspersions on people who see positive aspects of the drug.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I brought a link from Israel, in November I think, a huge PR article FOR this Ayasoca by a Professor of Psychology in the Hebrew University (Benny Shanon). The article in haaretz "forgot" to mention the pending hearings before the supreme court, AND the involvement of Bronfman. Maybe, the article was a coincidence Maybe this sect is for real, I doubt it. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>The ayahuasca churches are a recent phenomenon, but they are definitely "real." <p></p><i></i>