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Postby bobdobbs » Tue Sep 26, 2006 5:48 pm

Anyone heard of them? I just heard of them for the first time today in a couple of interesting news articles.<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>PM met with Exclusive Brethren<br><br>Prime Minister John Howard has admitted he met with members of the fundamentalist Christian sect, the Exclusive Brethren.<br><br>The highly secretive group, which boasts 40,000 members worldwide - many based in New Zealand and Australia - has been accused of underhanded campaigning against the Greens at the 2004 federal election and subsequent state polls.<br><br>The group came under the spotlight when NZ Prime Minister Helen Clark accused it of running a smear campaign against her and fuelling rumours her husband was gay.<br><br>The outcry that followed prompted NZ</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/PM-met-with-Exclusive-Brethren/2006/09/26/1159036537483.html">www.smh.com.au/news/Natio...37483.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>a quick search on yahoo news got me this:<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Ex-members 'expose' Exclusive Brethren<br><br>Former members of the Exclusive Brethren allege that large sums of cash have been transported across international borders and accuse the church of hushing up child abuse.<br><br>The allegations are among several made by former church members that will be aired on ABC TV's Four Corners program on Monday.<br><br>The former Australian leader of the Exclusive Brethren Ron Fawkes alleged that he illegally transported large sums of cash across international borders for the former world leader James Symington.<br><br>"The vast amounts of money handed over are referred to as gifts to, particularly to the leading, leading man," Mr Fawkes told ABC TV.<br><br>"Now that money amounts in the course of the year to millions, all going untaxed," he said.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Exmembers-expose-Exclusive-Brethren/2006/09/25/1159036421830.html">www.smh.com.au/news/Natio...21830.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Apparently they've also aligned themselves with the religious right in the US and have contributed large amounts of money to the Bush campaign during the election.<br><br>Does anyone have any thoughts? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Exclusive Brethren

Postby dude h homeslice ix » Tue Sep 26, 2006 5:57 pm

yeah i have a thought: reminds me of this:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.harpers.org/JesusPlusNothing.html">www.harpers.org/JesusPlusNothing.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Exclusive Brethren

Postby wintler » Tue Sep 26, 2006 8:18 pm

I first heard of them electioneering against the Greens over 5 years ago, their early SOP was to leaflet marginal electorates with false allegations against the Greens (being prodrug, antifamily), heard of this in Australia (3 state & 2 federal elections) and New Zealand. <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://tasmaniantimes.com/index.php/weblog/comments/brethren-and-the-bearpit/">tasmaniantimes.com/index....e-bearpit/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=1&ObjectID=10344402">www.nzherald.co.nz/sectio...D=10344402</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://jtc.blogs.com/just_left/2005/09/sect_backs_nati.html">jtc.blogs.com/just_left/2..._nati.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.greens.org.nz/searchdocs/other9194.html">www.greens.org.nz/searchd...r9194.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>ABC Tv had a doco on them on Monday night, with self described escapees alleging sexual abuse of children (but not organised trafficking, that i heard), bullying and intimidation of adults, corrupt financial dealings. <br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Exclusive Brethren

Postby biaothanatoi » Tue Sep 26, 2006 8:29 pm

I spoke to a woman a few weeks ago who wanted more information on RA in a Brethren school up here in Sydney during the 60s. I've cast around a bit but I couldn't find any more specific info, although a psych knew of an RA group operating in the area at the time.<br><br>Crowley was raised in a family of strict Plymouth Brethren, or "Open Brethren", which shares historical roots with the Exclusive Brethren. <br> <p></p><i></i>
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Plymouth Brethren

Postby yathrib » Wed Sep 27, 2006 12:23 am

It's worth mentioning that the Plymouth Brethren originated the whole secret rapture theology and all the stuff that goes with it. Look it up. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Plymouth Brethren

Postby biaothanatoi » Wed Sep 27, 2006 2:02 am

I remember reading an ex-Brethren talking about how similar Crowley's beliefs are to Brethren doctrine - apocalyptic, messianic, sadomasochistic, etc.<br><br>The association between fundamentalist Christianity and ritual abuse is very important, although nobody has really unpacked it. There is a broader association between extreme forms of religiosity and sadistic child abuse/torture.<br><br>I think psychoanalytic theory is probably the key here - it seems as though the central issues are around splitting, repression and projection. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=biaothanatoi@rigorousintuition>biaothanatoi</A> at: 9/27/06 12:04 am<br></i>
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Re: Plymouth Brethren

Postby wintler » Fri Sep 29, 2006 3:10 am

Oh great, and i was hoping they were just yr average messianic end-time happy clappers. <br><br>I know of a school camp on Philip Island (Vic.Au) owned by the Exclusive Bretheren, I went there last year with my kids class, thinking only dark political thoughts. No obvious religiousity or standoffishness from their staff, except 1 suggestion for a prayer on first morning, which (state school) teacher quickly blocked. <br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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