U of New Hampshire Psych Prof. In Trouble for 9-11 Views

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U of New Hampshire Psych Prof. In Trouble for 9-11 Views

Postby NewKid » Mon Aug 28, 2006 4:33 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Professor's 9/11 theories outrage NH leaders By STAFF REPORT<br><br>Sunday, Aug. 27, 2006 <br><br><br>A tenured professor of psychology at the University of New Hampshire believes an "elite" group within the federal government orchestrated the September 11th attacks on America. <br><br>William Woodward has already raised that possibility in his classroom and later this year hopes to teach a class that would explore Sept. 11th "in psychological terms -- terms like belief, conspiracy, fear, truth, courage, group dynamics."<br><br>He may not get the chance. Several state leaders yesterday criticized Woodward for bringing the radical theories into the classroom.<br><br>"In my view, there are limitations to academic freedom and freedom of speech," said U.S. Sen. Judd Gregg, R-N.H.<br><br>"I believe it is inappropriate for someone at a public university which is supported with taxpayer dollars to take positions that are generally an affront to the sensibility of most all Americans," Gregg said.<br><br>Others were equally blunt.<br><br>New Hampshire Senate President Ted Gatsas, R-Manchester, a UNH alum, said, "I would think the board of trustees and the acting president (of UNH) would take a long, hard look at someone who advocates that kind of nonsense."<br><br>Sen. Jack Barnes, R-Raymond, said he's embarrassed the professor works at his alma mater.<br><br>"I compare this guy with the idiots out there who say the Holocaust never occurred," Barnes said.<br><br>"Maybe we'd better check the UNH budget very closely next year if they have guys like that teaching our kids," Barnes said.<br><br>Woodward, an acknowledged member of several leftwing political action groups, belongs to the Scholars for 9/11 Truth.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The group contends that "pods" attached to the jet airliners actually steered planes into the Twin Towers and explosives planted inside the buildings were then set off.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>The group also has advanced various conspiracy theories about the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.<br><br>The 9/11 Commission that investigated the terrorist attacks concluded 19 young Arabs acting at the behest of Islamic extremists based in Afghanistan were responsible.<br><br>Woodward told the Sunday News he's convinced "there was a genuine conspiracy on the part of insiders at the highest level of our government."<br><br>But in last week's interview, the Yale-educated professor said, "I am very careful about what I offer to students.<br><br>"I just can't come across as having one strong position, even though in my heart I do."<br><br>Woodward said he did raise the topic in his political psychology class last spring semester, after showing the film "The Great Deception," He offered the film "as a different perspective than you see in the mainstream."<br><br>One of the students in Woodward's political psychology class where the topic came up was Zack Bazzi, a UNH psychology major and National Guardsman who served in Iraq.<br><br>Bazzi said it was common for Woodward to share "different versions of different events in history" in the upper-level course. "He certainly doesn't try to indoctrinate the kids," he said. "He just puts it out there."<br><br>"Do I agree with it? No. The overwhelming majority of the facts obviously show that 9/11 was a terrorist act conducted by terrorists from Middle Eastern backgrounds."<br><br>Bazzi said Woodward was "systematically careful" when he shared his own, often controversial, views on any topic. "I will stress he would always present this as his opinion, and he'll acknowledge it's controversial, he'll acknowledge a lot of people think he's out there. Then he'll present it and move on."<br><br>What did Woodward say about Sept. 11th? "From my recollection, he said the government's theory on it is wrong and it's flawed and he thinks there are alternative theories to be explored," Bazzi said. "From my recollection, not one person in the class agreed with him."<br><br>Woodward said he hopes to develop a course that would explore Sept. 11th in psychological terms. But because of the sensitive nature of the topic, he would seek guidance from his department chairman and his dean before he proceeds.<br><br>Embracing such conspiracy theories about Sept. 11th is not constructive for Americans who face a immediate threat from terrorists "who want to kill Americans because they don't like us," Gregg said.<br><br>"It is insensitive, inappropriate and inexcusable to make such statements," he said, "and not far from making racist statements and using hate statements."<br><br>Sen. Barnes said, "He has got the right to say what he wants, but he is so full of baloney."<br><br>Gatsas said he does not believe the Legislature would be mean-spirited enough to punish the university through next year's budget. But he said, "People from New Hampshire died in that event. It's important to preserve their memory. This kind of thing is uncalled for."<br><br>Woodward doesn't hide his political views; he's a member of New Hampshire Peace Action and several Seacoast groups that plan anti-war activities and question the official story surrounding Sept. 11th. And he is currently awaiting trial for criminal trespassing, after he and five others who call themselves "the Dover Six" were arrested during a May sit-in at U.S. Rep. Jeb Bradley's office to protest the Iraq war.<br><br>His Quaker tradition, Woodward said, compels him to "speak truth to power."<br><br>"I know there could be consequences, but if only more people would speak out, then we would have a safer world," he said. "We need to be vigilant."<br><br>Former Gov. Walter Peterson, a University System of New Hampshire trustee, said the professor, who has tenure protection, should not be fired.<br><br>According to the American Association of University Professors' policy on academic tenure, a tenured professor can be terminated only for "adequate cause."<br><br>"I don't think trustees should be trying to influence professors and what they say, but if it gets too bizarre, the division director or dean or, probably more appropriately, the chairman of the department, should have a chat with him," Peterson said.<br><br>As for Woodward's views on 9/11, Peterson said, "The most effective tactic is to laugh it off. That's crazy.<br><br>"If a person can back that up with evidence and have a sound academic reason, that's one thing," he said. "It sounds pretty far-fetched for me."<br><br>Bazzi said professors like Woodward should not be censored for exposing students to radical ideas. "It's America. It's a free country."<br><br>"He has the right to say his opinion but we have the right to disagree with it."<br><br>And academic freedom is even more important at a publicly funded school like UNH, "where most of us regular folks go that can't afford to go to private schools," Bazzi said.<br><br>If you remove a professor such as Woodward for his controversial views on Sept 11th, he asked, "Where do you draw the line? It's a slippery slope. Somebody's going to be offended by what another scholar says."<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Professor%27s%209%2f11%20theories%20outrage%20NH%20leaders&articleId=0a013444-f391-4eaf-ae95-24cab674130b" target="top">www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Professor%27s%209%2f11%20theories%20outrage%20NH%20leaders&articleId=0a013444-f391-4eaf-ae95-24cab674130b</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: U of New Hampshire Psych Prof. In Trouble for 9-11 Views

Postby FourthBase » Mon Aug 28, 2006 4:48 am

Ugh, pods. Fire him. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :lol --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>Seriously though, the reactions were scary. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: U of New Hampshire Psych Prof. In Trouble for 9-11 Views

Postby NewKid » Mon Aug 28, 2006 4:58 am

FB, I could be wrong, but I don't think the scholars actually endorse any of the pod shit, certainly not as a group at least. I think that's probably sloppy journalism or intentional misrepresentation. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: U of New Hampshire Psych Prof. In Trouble for 9-11 Views

Postby FourthBase » Mon Aug 28, 2006 5:07 am

Ahhhhhhhh, of course...makes sense.<br>I hope that's the case, because the pod shit = crazy disinfo.<br>Although, it says that the pods "steered" the planes.<br>I always thought the "official batshit crazy pod theory" =<br>Pods were missiles or something. Meh. Crazy = crazy.<br>But that might suggest "sloppy" journalism (i.e. sabotage).<br><br>Wretched reactions, anyway.<br>Comparing 9/11 skepticism to Holocaust denial, Jesus. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: U of New Hampshire Psych Prof. In Trouble for 9-11 Views

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<!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://gaelicstarover.blogspot.com/2006/08/then-they-came-for-professors.html">Here's</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br>an interesting response to that article from <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://maxwellforcongress.com/">Mary Maxwell,</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> the 911 skeptic running for congress (New Hampshire 2nd District):<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br> I doubt that Sen Gregg actually said that. No New Hampshire Republican would take such a position against the Constitution. More likely, the words were supplied by the editor of The Union Leader (also known locally as The Management Follower). I believe many quotes in newspapers are written without benefit of a telephone call to the speaker.<br><br> In any case I suspect that the episode of the professor would not have made the news (after all it is not an event)but for the fact that I am running for Congress here in New Hampshire, and on Thursday another paper came out with the jaw-dropper that I had labeled 9/11 a false flag operation. I am indeed proud of the Nashua Telegraph for letting me say my piece.<br><br> The Union Leader's page 1 headline in today's (Sunday) paper was PROF'S 9/11 THEORIES OUTRAGE NH LEADERS. Many of those leaders then gave quotes, or should I say "quotes" including the mandatory "People from New Hampshire died in that event. It's important to preserve their memory. This kind of thing is uncalled for."<br><br> I am guessing that the headline was meant to be planted around town to assist in marginalizing your humble (but by no means marginalizable) servant. Evidence for this? Well, in the last month of my campaign an opinion I wrote about Cheney went out over the wires (paid for as a press release by me) and was picked up nationally but studiously ignored by The Management Follower, oops I mean the Union Leader and also by The Concord Monitor right here in my city. Likewise, I submitted a piece to The Concord Monitor about nuclear weapons - the ones we are about to wreck our children with - and it was turned down in favor of one entitled - I kid you not - "Will a New Taliban Rise in Bangladesh?"<br><br> Today as we get closer to war, the page 1 headline in the said Monitor is "Who Killed Kathy Lynn?" - a child who died in 1971. And tho my 9/11 item has brought me thsanks and congratulations from people in many states, and even made it to the AP, neither The Follower nor The Monitor touched it with a 10 foot pole. HI THERE I AM RUNNING IN THIS STATE _ THE VOTERS HAVE A RIGHT TO HEAR ABOUT ME, DON'T THEY? HI THERE.<br><br> If you peek at my website tomorrow,maxwellforcongress.com, you will see an item on the Ethical Code of Journalists. Since Union Leader is owned by the Nackie Loeb School of Journalism maybe the incoming class could do a project on all this.<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=1tal>1 tal</A> at: 8/28/06 11:41 am<br></i>
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Codes

Postby yathrib » Mon Aug 28, 2006 10:39 am

It's funny how the media develops these codes for bat-s**t crazy" that everyone immediately understands w/o putting much thought into it. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The teacher targets are carefully chosen for chilling.

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Mon Aug 28, 2006 2:04 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Woodward doesn't hide his political views; he's a member of New Hampshire Peace Action and several Seacoast groups that plan anti-war activities and question the official story surrounding Sept. 11th. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>And he is currently awaiting trial for criminal trespassing, after he and five others who call themselves "the Dover Six" were arrested during a May sit-in at U.S. Rep. Jeb Bradley's office to protest the Iraq war.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Not just any teacher who articulates 9/11 as MIHOP. <br><br>Ward Churchill helped write a book exposing COINTELPRO history and got some special attention, too.<br><br>New semester and the chill gets re-applied to the reading class. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Codes

Postby darkbeforedawn » Mon Aug 28, 2006 2:06 pm

Yes and I don't think it is just "crazy" that 9-11 skeptics are compared to "holocaust deniers". If you take a look a Norman Finklestein's new book, Beyond Chutzpa, Antisemitism and and the Misuse of History, you see that the issues of the holocaust and anitsemiticsm both are banners underwhich many horrendous actions by both Israeli and US thugs can be hidden and thus can allow the disaster of the so called Middle east policy to continue. The "war on terror" is another such shibloleth, created to use as justification for lawless murder and pilage. To question 9-11 is to question its very foundation. Just as to question Antisemitism is to question the horrors now committed in the name of jews everywhere in Israel and Lebanon. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Timing

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Mon Aug 28, 2006 2:23 pm

With Sen. McCain representing The Church by fronting the CIA/Popular Mechanics disinfo on "9/11 myths" on the 5th anniversary, it is also time to push back against the truth by crucifying one who can see the obvious to make sure the rest of us get the message.<br><br>DaVinci vs The Church: <br><br>"No really, just look through the telescope and you'll see that everything you know is wrong."<br><br>"GUARDS! Arrest that terrorist!" <p></p><i></i>
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