The Idiocy Behind the '9/11 Truth' Movement

by **maggrwaggr** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 5:24 pm

are people who think that Bushco, and the people who hired them in the first place, and the people who they're connected to by information in the public domain -- people all the way back to Prescott Bush -- everyone associated with Nixon, including E. Howard Hunt, and the Cuban crowd -- Henry Kissinger and all the dark and evil crap that went down during Vietnam, including things like Air America and the bombing of Cambodia -- and the people who wrote Operation Northwoods -- The thought that THESE PEOPLE are TOO INCOMPETENT to pull off something like 9/11 .... Yet 19 cave-dwelling Arabs, a bunch of flight-school flunkies who had never actually flown big jetliners before, would be able to fly commercial jetliners AT FULL SPEED with the most pinpoint accuracy imaginable while contemplating their own death and while people were screaming all around them. Ever watch those planes slice perfectly into those buildings and wonder -- how did they do that? It's such a perfect bulls-eye. I would guess an experienced commercial pilot would have a hard time being that accurate, unless there was absolutely NO WIND on that day, and he had the GPS coordinates of EXACTLY the point of the building that he wanted to hit. The only other way to fly so accurately would be by automatically having them target, through GPS, those exact points in the building. But that's what a cruise missile does. The way people can look at 9/11 and let their emotions blind them to what is so obviously in front of their face is pretty astounding but is actually completely attributable to the power of the PSYOPS aspect of the operation. If you are able to remove your observations from the emotion of what you experienced about 9/11, and all your feelings about it, you have to come to one conclusion -- that the airliners were turned into cruise missles and flown remotely, or that extremely experienced pilots were somehow asked to commit suicide that day. Which is the most likely? Occam's razor indeed ..... Seriously, I challenge everyone here who is reading this thread to REMOVE their own emotions from all the evidence we have, visual and otherwise, about 9/11. And go from there. If you do that, it becomes clear that it was an extremely competent, professional PSYOPS job, pulled off with some serious technology. In fact, here's the kind of company that you could hire to do exactly such an operation: <a href="http://www.scl.cc/home.php">www.scl.cc/home.php</a> And these guys operate in PUBLIC. Remember, Bush, Cheney, Rummy, Kissinger -- they all go way back to Alan Dulles, his brother, the Harrimans, the Walkers, the support of Adolf Hitler, the original FOUNDING of the C.I.A. where they created their own shadow government that did whatever it wanted ...... These are the same people. They're capable of anything. They will do anything.

by **pugzleyca3** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 5:53 pm

"Is this just evidence of the victory of neo-liberal ideology in the "marketplace of ideas" in America? (Or the "sheltered workshop of ideas" in America, depending on how you look at it?)." Nope. It's called tongue planted firmly in cheek, in case you didn't get that there is a laughing icon at the end.

by **sunny** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 6:04 pm

A comment from Peggy, who was at the diner with MT. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>The irony is that our movement has the greatest chance to defeat Bush and all he stands for.<hr></blockquote> That is precisely why people who argue in favor of the official story while purporting to hate Bush and all he stands for are either lying sacks of shit, or they are too stupid to argue with.

by **dugoboy** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 6:07 pm

and they have no connection to the founding of this nation. they are corrupting and eroding everything that matters. what matters? WHAT MATTERS? ___________________________________________ "Fascism finds root best in unreality, dysfunction and irresponsibility." - Me "Speaking the Truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act" -George Orwell "When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it - always." -Mahatma GandhiEdited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=dugoboy@rigorousintuition>dugoboy</A> <IMG HEIGHT=10 WIDTH=10 SRC="http://www.geocities.com/orcthrasher/files/images/Qn38113.gif" BORDER=0> at: 10/26/06 4:09 pm

by **stickdog99** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 6:57 pm

Probably around the same time of Bush and Cheny's trial. In other words, don't hold your breath. So what's your problem then, nomo? I mean, you obviously don't buy the official story any more than I do. Can't all of us LIHOPers and MIHOPers just get along? Does it really matter what happened that day as long as we agree that they lied about it in order to foist a state of never-ending war on us, to take away our rights and to excuse their bald-faced imperialistic aggression?

by **maggrwaggr** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 7:49 pm

<<people who argue in favor of the official story while purporting to hate Bush and all he stands for are either lying sacks of shit, or they are too stupid to argue with>> I would argue that they are victims of an extremely effective PSYOPS operation, which is what 9/11 was, no matter who committed it. I am really fascinated at how most people have an extremely powerful emotional attachment to WHAT THEY THINK happened that day. For many people, to believe something other than what they've already grieved about, is similar to finding out that a loved one who you believed has died actually tricked you, faked their death and funeral, and is laughing at you from some island. Sure, plenty of people are stupid, and plenty of people are liars, but most of them are simply victims of extremely diabolical psychological operations.

by **bvonahsen** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 7:52 pm

Neither he nor you has said shit. I don't know what happened on 9/11, but I know that I am being lied to. It's not up to me to supply an alternate theory. It's up to my government to stop insulting my intelligence with their lies, cover ups and self-contradictory narratives.  You personally do not have to supply an alternate theory. The 911 truth movement does. They are the ones who claim an inside job, it is their responsibility to provide a working theory for how it happened. They have none. Your government does lie and coverup, it does this because politicians fuck up and are there for the money and the power. That doesn't mean they are remotely capable of pulling off a massive hoax like this would have to be. They've written a screenplay with a plot that doesn't make any sense and they've asked me to give up my civil rights and support a state of never-ending war because of their bullshit screenplay. Their screenplay is a load of bullshit, and I don't need to write a competing screenplay to say that with perfect confidence. What is so implausible about 19 dedicated terrorists who succeed in flying commercial airplanes into a building? They trained and rehearsed it long before putting it into action. What is so implausible aboutt a clusterfuck like Bush and a delusional nutcase like Ashcroft ignoring clear warnings of impending attack? "My Pet Goat" was right at his level. Anything harder would have thrown him. What a stupid argument. If you really believe that a ragtag group of 19 Arabs could easily do something that our finest, best funded and most highly trained intelligence assets could not, you are hopeless. That really is it isn't it? You believe that the almighty US of A is incapable of being punked by a bunch of arabs with box cutters. It's a racist argument at its heart. How is it "in their interest to confuse the issue"? Is this the new South Park talking point or something slightly less incredible? Because they were asleep on their watch. There were ample warnings from the presidential PDB to the pleadings to Rice and Ashcroft from the intelligence community to pay attention. The administration ignored those warnings because they are worthless pieces of shit who are only there to belly up to the public trough. By letting the 911 rumors and conspiracy theories multiply it distracts and defuses any attempt to investigate them. They can rightly claim that those calling for an investigation are deluded and insane. Just as the military encouraged UFO cults so that if information about their research into advanced weapons and aircraft ever leaked out, it could always be blamed on "those crazy UFO nuts." You are the tool, not me. Occam's razor in no way prefers a highly convoluted, insanely complicated and completely incredible series of egregious fuck ups to either LIHOP or MIHOP. If it did, the currently accepted scientific description for the state of our planet would simply be "the universe fucked up." Actually, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor">The Principle of Parsimony</a> works best with complicated theories. It simply says that we should favor the theory that make the fewest assumptions. This is just common sense (that is all too uncommon). All I have to assume is that 19 dedicated and trained terrorists succeeded in achieving their goal. The 911 truth movement has to assume layer after layer of increasingly bizarre coincidences, many of which are not even remotely plausible.

by **pugzleyca3** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 8:23 pm

"All I have to assume is that 19 dedicated and trained terrorists succeeded in achieving their goal. The 911 truth movement has to assume layer after layer of increasingly bizarre coincidences, many of which are not even remotely plausible." That's all you have to assume if you skim over lots of other information. This is the kind of thinking the criminals in charge must really love. Use their assumptions and move along little doggie. Shut up and go shopping. Like how did the terrorists cause Norad to stand down that day? If you don't think they stood down, this means you have to assume the government is incompetent. Which leads to the assumption that they have literally stolen trillions of dollars from the taxpayer to fund a program that worked up until that one day. Which leads to the assumption that anyone this incompetent would surely be fired. But they weren't fired, most were actually promoted! Where does that lead you? Oh, nevermind, all you have to assume is that the terrorists did it. Your argument is the typical oversimplification of an extremely complex event in which absolutely none of us here on this board have access to the necessary information in which to get to the bottom of it all. Here's my assumption. I assume that because of all the failures that day, which the cons in charge say are incompetence on their part, should be assumed to be incompetent to handle the job and be tossed out on their collective asses for being unable to do their jobs. See, the rub here in all of this is that the people putting forth this official theory work for the people. The people are supposed to be their bosses, which means they answer to the people, not the other way around. And a bunch of their bosses are not liking what they are putting forth and want more information and they invoke "secrecy" and that leads us to another entirely different can of worms regarding Constitutional issues. Who is the truth movement? You cannot encapsulate them, they are spread far and wide. They are not organized, they are not any specific group that has some organization to it. First of all, to argue against the truth movement, then you would have to identify WHO they are first. Exactly who are these people writing these articles and on the mainstream that condescendingly covers 9/11 "truth" talking about anyway? They need pick a target and name them, instead of lumping everyone into a big pot and stirring them all up together. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=pugzleyca3>pugzleyca3</A> at: 10/26/06 6:30 pm

by **orz** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 8:27 pm

excuse the piecemeal replies: <blockquote>Quote:<hr>I want to see a picture of the plane hitting the Pentagon. And I am not a "no-planer", I just want to see it. Why won't they release that information?<hr></blockquote>Sure, it would be interesting... but why would anyone imagine that it exists? Apart from sheer chance, (or a complicit documentarian on the scene i guess <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> ), there's no reason anyone would have been shooting high shutter speed video of the pentagon at that precise moment. Certainly noone has reported doing so or that such footage exists as far as i know? So why ask? <blockquote>Quote:<hr>And photos of angle-cut support beams at Ground Zero show the evidence of thermate on them. And more.<hr></blockquote> Or,.... evidence of being cut with welding torches as seen in photos of cleanup workers cutting them with welding torches? <blockquote>Quote:<hr>From writing what about 9/11? Crap that trashes the "9/11 Truth Movement" by positing strawman arguments<hr></blockquote>So, in this entirely idea and media-based battle, it's best to totally alienate the entire of the media.........? <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes"> To nip in the bud any possibility that a casually sceptical journalist might through intelligent dialogue be pursuaded to take these issues seriously?...... Nah, just email some rabid foul-mouthed insults their way... that's the patriotic pro-wrestling style American method of 'debate' after alll.... <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes"> Well, if you can't beat 'em... <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/tired.gif ALT="|I">

by **stickdog99** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 8:34 pm

You personally do not have to supply an alternate theory. The 911 truth movement does. They are the ones who claim an inside job, it is their responsibility to provide a working theory for how it happened. They have none. I and people like me ARE the "9/11 Truth Movement." We are simply citizens who know we are being lied to about 9/11 who want to call our fellow citizens' attention to that fact. We don't need some fucking dipshit alternative theory to do so. Your entire contention that we do is utterly intellectually bankrupt. Your government does lie and coverup, it does this because politicians fuck up and are there for the money and the power. That doesn't mean they are remotely capable of pulling off a massive hoax like this would have to be. If you really believe that a ragtag group of 19 Arabs could easily do something that our finest, best funded and most highly trained intelligence assets could not, you are hopeless. What is so implausible about 19 dedicated terrorists who succeed in flying commercial airplanes into a building? They trained and rehearsed it long before putting it into action. What is so implausible aboutt a clusterfuck like Bush and a delusional nutcase like Ashcroft ignoring clear warnings of impending attack? "My Pet Goat" was right at his level. Anything harder would have thrown him. If you really believe that a ragtag group of 19 Arabs could easily do something that our finest, best funded and most highly trained intelligence assets could not, you are hopeless. That really is it isn't it? You believe that the almighty US of A is incapable of being punked by a bunch of arabs with box cutters. It's a racist argument at its heart. If you really believe that a ragtag group of 19 Arabs could easily do something that our finest, best funded and most highly trained intelligence assets could not, you are hopeless. Because they were asleep on their watch. There were ample warnings from the presidential PDB to the pleadings to Rice and Ashcroft from the intelligence community to pay attention. The administration ignored those warnings because they are worthless pieces of shit who are only there to belly up to the public trough. By letting the 911 rumors and conspiracy theories multiply it distracts and defuses any attempt to investigate them. They can rightly claim that those calling for an investigation are deluded and insane. Just as the military encouraged UFO cults so that if information about their research into advanced weapons and aircraft ever leaked out, it could always be blamed on "those crazy UFO nuts." You are the tool, not me. So why don't we see government operatives spreading these rumors in mainstream corporate media outlets? Why aren't "unnamed sources" coming forward to spread these rumors in the NY Times and WaPo, for example, if they are so helpful? You are full of shit again. Maybe, just maybe, they were just incredibly and unbelievably criminally negligent and that's what all the lies have been about. So what? Isn't this 90% as bad as being complicit? And if we take the accusation of complicity off the table (to protect whose sensibilities?), what is their incentive to ever come clean about their negligence? Actually, The Principle of Parsimony works best with complicated theories. It simply says that we should favor the theory that make the fewest assumptions. This is just common sense (that is all too uncommon). All I have to assume is that 19 dedicated and trained terrorists succeeded in achieving their goal. The 911 truth movement has to assume layer after layer of increasingly bizarre coincidences, many of which are not even remotely plausible. Actually, you are completely full of shit. First, Occam's Razor absolutely does not apply to human motivations and certainly not criminal cases. You say "fuck ups" explains everything. I say malevolence explains everything. Which explanation is simpler, Occam? Neither. This is why when considering potential criminal suspects, investigators consider means, motive and opportunity. When applied to 9/11, elite warmongering insiders beat 19+Osama-in-a-cave on all three counts -- hands down. Second, <a href="http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2004/08/coincidence-theorists-guide-to-911.html">rigorousintuition.blogspo...o-911.html</a> Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=stickdog99>stickdog99</A> at: 10/26/06 6:51 pm

by **pugzleyca3** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 8:35 pm

"Sure, it would be interesting... but why would anyone imagine that it exists? Apart from sheer chance, (or a complicit documentarian on the scene i guess ), there's no reason anyone would have been shooting high shutter speed video of the pentagon at that precise moment. Certainly noone has reported doing so or that such footage exists as far as i know? So why ask?" What in the world are you talking about? There were cameras all over that scene and they were confiscated and the footage never released.

by **stickdog99** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 8:43 pm

So, in this entirely idea and media-based battle, it's best to totally alienate the entire of the media.........? <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes"> To nip in the bud any possibility that a casually sceptical journalist might through intelligent dialogue be pursuaded to take these issues seriously?...... Nah, just email some rabid foul-mouthed insults their way... that's the patriotic pro-wrestling style American method of 'debate' after alll.... <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes">  Come on. Check any open internet forum that allows publicly viewable comments in response to any mainstream media attempt to ridicule people who don't buy the line of shit we've been fed on 9/11, and you'll find 10 well-argued, well-reasoned and well-sourced posts for every angry rant. What is your point? That some people naturally go overboard when they realize that insider elites in their own nation don't mind sacrificing thousands of fellow US citizens for their own heinous political ends? Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=stickdog99>stickdog99</A> at: 10/26/06 6:44 pm

by **orz** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 8:47 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr> What in the world are you talking about? There were cameras all over that scene and they were confiscated and the footage never released.<hr></blockquote> Oh, I thought that was just security cameras? Were there any news crews, guys with an camcorder, etc, reported as having filmed it and had their videos taken by the FBI? If so i'm sorry, but i don't remember hearing about that.... just that security camera tapes were taken.

by **pugzleyca3** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 9:01 pm

"Oh, I thought that was just security cameras? Were there any news crews, guys with an camcorder, etc, reported as having filmed it and had their videos taken by the FBI? If so i'm sorry, but i don't remember hearing about that.... just that security camera tapes were taken." Am I thick or are you? People have said in interviews that the FBI confiscated their SECURITY cameras which were in a position which would have filmed the PLANE CRASH into the Pentagon. Unless these people are lying, the FBI have footage of the crash that they have not released. All we have to do is assume there was no footage, then we're all done with that nasty little detail. Gee, I thought all cameras did basically the same thing. You know. Take pictures.

by **stickdog99** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 9:07 pm

Oh, I thought that was just security cameras? Were there any news crews, guys with an camcorder, etc, reported as having filmed it and had their videos taken by the FBI? If so i'm sorry, but i don't remember hearing about that.... just that security camera tapes were taken. How about releasing all the data? All photos? All security camera tapes? All the Cockpit Voice Recorder transcripts? All the ATC tapes? All the 9/11 calls? All the complete passenger manifests? All the supposed cell phone and air phone calls? All the radar returns, including the supposed phantom Flight 11 they supposedly scrambled to intercept? The WTC metal? Remember this? <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20050311095411/http://www.mdw.army.mil/news/Contingency_Planning.html">web.archive.org/web/20050...nning.html</a> Don't tell me they practiced their response to exactly such a disaster without considering the need to record such an event for future study.

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