"Without Precedent", By T. Kean & Lee Hamilton

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Re: "Without Precedent", By T. Kean & Lee Hami

Postby BannedfromDU » Sun Aug 06, 2006 3:29 pm

VIDEO- 6:49 min.<br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Guilty Demeanor : The 9/11 Omission Commission</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>The Bush administration did everything in its power to derail an open inquiry into 9/11. Then, when faced with its inevitability, the president and his aides sought to limit its scope, its access, and its funding.<br><br>The members Kean & Hamilton and their dealings also discussed, as well as that NO NOTES, NO SWEARING IN 'meeting'...<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXPwaE6qKtw">www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXPwaE6qKtw</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=bannedfromdu>BannedfromDU</A> at: 8/6/06 1:31 pm<br></i>
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Re: DIRTY KEAN

Postby HMKGrey » Sun Aug 06, 2006 3:37 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>People need to really not want to see, to not see how strange and wrong that was.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Too right. That alone should have woken people up. At the time, I tried to imagine newsroom's at the NYT and WaPo etc and the way they must have collectively shrugged and avoided eye contact, stepping around it like a hot rock that had landed on the floor out of nowhere. <br><br>I'm no big fan of Chomsky but he makes an interesting point at the beginning of one of his presentations on DVD where he basically says that the truth is so obvious and so superficially hidden that the only way someone can be missing it today is through a conscious or semi-conscious decision <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>not to go there</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->. <br><br>This really resonates with me. <br><br>I have a really smart wife. She's very bright, compassionate, a big reader, knows her stuff... but she just won't <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>go there</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> on this topic with me. It's not that she's ignorant or fooled, it's just that, I think, she sees herself as the 'tender' of our flock (3 kids under 10, youngest is 1), the keeper of the flame and so it's okay for me to contemplate the horrors and their real ramifications but she just wants our house, the kids' school... life as it is. AS it's allowed to be. <br><br>Which then makes me think that we're on the wrong trackcompletely when we think we've got to educate people. People probably don't want to be educated. Ultimately, we're not going to be thanked for bringing the truth to light. Perhaps this explains the general antipathy that often greets liberal ideas and characters in so many arenas; tv, music etc. The general response is "Oh,no. You're not going to spoil my day are you?" <br><br>Of course, we should never forget that the middle classes are bigger than ever. More people own something. Therefore more people have something to lose. Which they don't want to lose. <br><br>And let's face it. For one group to think they need to 'educate' another... backs are up before the process even begins. 99.9% of people are terrible educators. They have all the wrong cadences and choose all the wrong words. I listened to a guy in a bar a few months back telling some of his friends about how 9/11 was an inside job and I wanted to go over and slap him, he was so misinformed and communicating so poorly and condescendingly. It was clear he was getting nowhere and much of it was because his presentation was horrible. <br><br>My guess is that what we really need is some great art to light the way here. It doesn't matter what the discipline is, we just need something that people can respond to on a visceral level. I started a thread once here about great art usually <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>thriving in opposition</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> but that's not yet fully the case today. I've come to believe that even artists are exhausted by what's going on. The gravity of it. The terrifying absurdity. And the system is much better now at swallowing artists whole than it was 10, 20 years ago - and it was pretty good then. <br><br>Everyone on this board should read <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>The Portable William Blake</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->. <br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: DIRTY KEAN

Postby BannedfromDU » Sun Aug 06, 2006 4:35 pm

"People probably don't want to be educated. Ultimately, we're not going to be thanked for bringing the truth to light. Perhaps this explains the general antipathy that often greets liberal ideas and characters in so many arenas; tv, music etc. The general response is "Oh,no. You're not going to spoil my day are you?" <br><br>Of course, we should never forget that the middle classes are bigger than ever. More people own something. Therefore more people have something to lose. Which they don't want to lose. "<br>----------<br>Similar cases here, many 'liberals' or "Dems" refuse to 'go there'...but suprisingly, I've reached a conservative convert, so you never know. Still sheeple take their ques from the Conglomomedia on what is 'truth', and neither they or the so-called 'opposition' (Dems) will speak the truth, so they remain asleep.Its much easier that way. Think about it. If one actually believes 9/11 was an inside job, well, ok, WHAT DO WE DO NOW? I think people do not want to face just how FUCKED we all are, and how much work/turmoil lay ahead if this be true. It is much easier to buy into the official version. <br><br><br>I like to think I plant seeds, but do not get into big debates with those who refuse to see. Spread the word far and wide as seeds...some will grow next season, some fall through rocks. I am the product of such a seed. When I first learned about all this it took me a year to accept/digest the possibility.<br><br>To motivate a change in most people, some say the discomfort must be more painful to remain the same than the pain it is to change. This is why I sometimes say MUCH MORE PAIN IS NEEDED...and with the new breed of criminality in control, it will most certainly come. Their complacentcy and refusal to look what is staring them in the face may be OUR undoing...as a nation(USA) and the worlds. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: "Without Precedent", By T. Kean & Lee Hami

Postby BannedfromDU » Sun Aug 06, 2006 5:14 pm

VIDEO CLIP- "The investigation is not worth an Enron pension!" -Mark Dayton<br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Sen. Mark Dayton: FAA & NORAD lied about 9/11</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fD6we9L-e74">www.youtube.com/watch?v=fD6we9L-e74</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: "Without Precedent", By T. Kean & Lee Hami

Postby BannedfromDU » Sun Aug 06, 2006 7:13 pm

Very enlightening to view again, CSPAN Commission hearings on <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>June 17, 2004</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> Gen. Meyers and Eberhart are lying their stars off and being asked about it (R. Ben Veniste), BUSTED...but they aren't the only ones giving false testimony (<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>lying under oath</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->). Zelikow, Gen. Arnold (NAADR), ..you also can hear people in the audience asking 'WHAT ABOUT THE WAR GAMES?"......Watch all the high-up familiar 'players' lie, lie, LIE! ...and many of the commission 'leading the witnesses' out of their difficulties...Roemer asks at time stamp 3:03:31 about the 'training posture' (war games), and he said they ENHANCED CAPABILITIES that day! Zelikow is always lurking in the background going over notes and directing behind the scenes...<br><br>VIDEO LINK-- go to the "12th public hearing on "The 9/11 plot" and the federal government's immediate response to the attacks "<br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>June 17, 2004"Panel discussions on military & FAA response responses on 9/11, and post-hearing press conference"</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.c-span.org/terrorism/?Cat=Current_Event&Code=911_Cmsn&ShowVidNum=10&Rot_Cat_CD=911_Cmsn&Rot_HT=&Rot_WD=&ShowVidDays=365&ShowVidDesc=&ArchiveDays=100">www.c-span.org/terrorism/...veDays=100</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=bannedfromdu>BannedfromDU</A> at: 8/6/06 5:52 pm<br></i>
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Re: "Without Precedent", By T. Kean & Lee Hami

Postby chiggerbit » Sun Aug 06, 2006 7:34 pm

Hamilton has been covering for the Bushes for a long time. Hasn't everybody been acquainted with someone who periodically engages in behavior that ends up hurting others, and they always say sorry afterwards, knowing that they get off the hook every time they say sorry?<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.btinternet.com/~nlpwessex/Documents/hamiltoniran-contra.htm">www.btinternet.com/~nlpwe...contra.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>"......former Congressman Lee Hamilton, chairman of the House select committee investigating the Iran-contra affair, was shown ample evidence against Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush, but he did not probe their wrongdoing. Why did Hamilton choose not to investigate? In a late 1980s interview aired on PBS 'Frontline,' Hamilton said that he did not think it would have been 'good for the country' to put the public through another impeachment trial. In Lee Hamilton's view, it was better to keep the public in the dark than to bring to light another Watergate, with all the implied ramifications. When Hamilton was chairman of the House committee investigating Iran-contra, he took the word of senior Reagan administration officials when they claimed Bush and Reagan were 'out of the loop.' Independent counsel Lawrence Walsh and White House records later proved that Reagan and Bush had been very much in the loop. If Hamilton had looked into the matter instead of accepting the Reagan administration's word, the congressional investigation would have shown the public the truth. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Hamilton later said he should not have believed the Reagan officials.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> However, today, George W. Bush is considering appointing Hamilton UN ambassador."<br>Uncovering the Florida cover-up: The good fight continues <br>A Past Look, 25 December, 2000<br><br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=chiggerbit@rigorousintuition>chiggerbit</A> at: 8/6/06 5:40 pm<br></i>
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Re: "Without Precedent", By T. Kean & Lee Hami

Postby chiggerbit » Sun Aug 06, 2006 7:46 pm

Interesting, from the same link above:<br><br>"One of the key congressional Republicans fighting this rear-guard action was Rep. Dick Cheney of Wyoming, who became the ranking House Republican on the Iran-contra investigation. Cheney already enjoyed a favorable reputation in Washington as a steady conservative hand. Cheney smartly exploited his relationship with Rep. Lee Hamilton, D-Ind., who was chairman of the Iran-contra panel.<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong> Hamilton cared deeply about his reputation</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> for bipartisanship and the Republicans quickly exploited this fact. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>A senior committee source said one of Cheney’s top priorities was to block Democrats from deposing Vice President Bush about his Iran-contra knowledge.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> Cheney 'kept trying to intimidate Hamilton,' the source said. 'He kept saying if we go down that road, we won’t have bipartisanship.' So, Hamilton gave Bush a pass. The limited investigation also gave little attention to other sensitive areas, such as contra-drug trafficking and the public diplomacy operation. They were pared down or tossed out altogether. Despite surrendering to Cheney’s demands time and again, Hamilton failed, in the end, to get a single House Republican to sign the final report. Only three moderate Republicans on the Senate side – Warren Rudman, William Cohen and Paul Trible – agreed to sign the report, after extracting more concessions. Cheney and the other Republicans submitted a minority report that denied that any significant wrongdoing had occurred."<br>Covering Up Iran-Contra - Robert Parry<br>Consortium News, 5 November 2000<br>Robert Parry is an investigative reporter who broke many of the Iran-contra stories for The Associated Press and Newsweek<br><br><br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>A senior committee source said one of Cheney’s top priorities was to block Democrats from deposing Vice President Bush about his Iran-contra knowledge.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>Sound familiar?<br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=chiggerbit@rigorousintuition>chiggerbit</A> at: 8/6/06 6:16 pm<br></i>
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Re: "Without Precedent", By T. Kean & Lee Hami

Postby chiggerbit » Sun Aug 06, 2006 7:58 pm

I'm sorry to be repetitive, but this makes me boil every time I see it:<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>In a late 1980s interview aired on PBS 'Frontline,' Hamilton said that he did not think it would have been 'good for the country' to put the public through another impeachment trial. In Lee Hamilton's view, <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>it was better to keep the public in the dark</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> than to bring to light another Watergate, with all the implied ramifications. When Hamilton was chairman of the House committee investigating Iran-contra, he took the word of senior Reagan administration officials when they claimed Bush and Reagan were 'out of the loop.'</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>Ever since Reagan, the Republicans have been polarizing this country, pushing farther and farther to the right, dividing this country, while enabling Dem politicians like Hamilton have been caving in to them. It is WAY past time to push back. The truth should never be bad for the country, only bad for the criminals. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=chiggerbit@rigorousintuition>chiggerbit</A> at: 8/6/06 6:00 pm<br></i>
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Re: "Without Precedent", By T. Kean & Lee Hami

Postby HMKGrey » Sun Aug 06, 2006 8:50 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Hamilton said that he did not think it would have been 'good for the country' to put the public through another impeachment trial.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>He means it would not have been 'good for his friends and paymasters' obviously. That's the problem with these parasites, they get easily confused. <br><br>Scum. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: "Without Precedent", By T. Kean & Lee Hami

Postby BannedfromDU » Sun Aug 06, 2006 8:58 pm

Re: Hamilton in that link I just posted, during the Q&A-<br><br>MUST LISTEN to Q&A mark 4:54:02 is a real good question on the 9/11 9:04am "America under attack" by Card..She asks "What were they doing for an HOUR? <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Hamilton</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->(D, btw) says he thinks the president was correct in STAYING IN THE CLASSROOM! Kean jumps in and says 'and Rumsfeld was busy helping out victims at the Pentagon" IMPOSSIBLE (timeline impossibility) much less implausable...next Q is a follow up on Rumsfeld's actions..."shouldn't he have been notified and cordinating/responding?" Hamilton "he was in the Pentagon parking lot looking for ways he could help" TOTALLY REDICULOUS!!!<br><br>Some of the Q&A are quite damning<br><br><br>WITNESS THE COMPLICITY and TREASON-<br><br>VIDEO LINK-- go to the "12th public hearing on "The 9/11 plot" and the federal government's immediate response to the attacks "<br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>June 17, 2004"Panel discussions on military & FAA response responses on 9/11, and post-hearing press conference"</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.c-span.org/terrorism/?Cat=Current_Event&Code=911_Cmsn&ShowVidNum=10&Rot_Cat_CD=911_Cmsn&Rot_HT=&Rot_WD=&ShowVidDays=365&ShowVidDesc=&ArchiveDays=100">www.c-span.org/terrorism/...veDays=100</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: "Without Precedent", By T. Kean & Lee Hami

Postby chiggerbit » Sun Aug 06, 2006 9:03 pm

I really believe that Hamilton is dirty. I would love to see his phone records from back then, or even back during the Iran/contra investigation. Haven't I seen his name in association with the October Surprise? Not sure that it was credible. Need to look back at that. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=chiggerbit@rigorousintuition>chiggerbit</A> at: 8/6/06 7:18 pm<br></i>
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Re: "Without Precedent", By T. Kean & Lee Hami

Postby BannedfromDU » Sun Aug 06, 2006 11:15 pm

VIDEO-<br>Kean recently CONFRONTED by Truthers' questions- Uh oh, the heat is on...watch him sweat.. there's a lecture/discussion in the middle, then the fun begins again..<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.infowars.net/multimedia/exclusive/kean_speech_20min_bb.mov">www.infowars.net/multimed...min_bb.mov</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=bannedfromdu>BannedfromDU</A> at: 8/6/06 9:18 pm<br></i>
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Re: "Without Precedent", By T. Kean & Lee Hami

Postby BannedfromDU » Wed Aug 09, 2006 9:46 am

I'm kicking this up just to try and express my rage over the fact that not one senator, or congressman has commented on this obvious TREASON. Hello?! You sorry pieces of shit! <p></p><i></i>
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Re: "Without Precedent", By T. Kean & Lee Hami

Postby BannedfromDU » Wed Aug 09, 2006 11:33 pm

<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>9/11 Commission Chairmen Admit Whitewashing the Cause of the Attacks</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>Published on Tuesday, August 8, 2006 by CommonDreams.org<br>9/11 Commission Chairmen Admit Whitewashing the Cause of the Attacks<br>by Ivan Eland<br> <br>As both the Bush administration and its client government in Israel, with their invasions of Arab states in Iraq and Lebanon respectively, make the United States ever more hated in the Islamic world, a new book by the Chairmen of the 9/11 commission admits that the commission whitewashed the root cause of the 9/11 attacks—that same interventionist U.S. foreign policy.<br><br>Former Governor Tom Kean and former Congressman Lee Hamilton, chairmen of the 9/11 Commission—the publicity hounds that they are—want to keep the long retired, but much celebrated, panel in the public mind. They have written a tell-all book about the trials and tribulations of the panel’s work. Despite the commission’s disastrous recommendations—which led to a reorganization of the U.S. intelligence community that worsened its original defect prior to 9/11 (a severe coordination problem caused by bureaucratic bloat)—and apparent whitewashing of the most important single issue that it examined, the chairmen are trying their best to write another best seller. The book usefully details the administration’s willful misrepresentation of its incompetent actions that day, but makes the shocking admission that some commission members deliberately wanted to distort an even more important issue. Apparently, unidentified commissioners wanted to cover up the fact that U.S. support for Israel was one of the motivating factors behind al Qaeda’s 9/11 attack. Although to his credit, Hamilton argued for saying that al Qaeda committed the heinous strike because of the U.S. military presence in the Middle East and American support for Israel, the panel watered down that frank conclusion to state that U.S. policy on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and Iraq are “dominant staples of popular commentary across the Arab and Muslim world.”<br><br>Some commissioners wanted to cover up the link between the 9/11 attack and U.S. support for Israel because this might imply that the United States should alter policy and lessen its support for Israeli actions. How right they were. The question is simple: If the vast bulk of Americans would be safer if U.S. politicians moderated their slavish support of Israel, designed to win the support of key pressure groups at home, wouldn’t it be a good idea to make this change in course? Average U.S. citizens might attenuate their support for Israel if the link between the 9/11 attacks and unquestioning U.S. favoritism for Israeli excesses were more widely known. Similarly, if American taxpayers knew that the expensive and unnecessary U.S. policy of intervening in the affairs of countries all over the world—including the U.S. military presence in the Middle East—made them less secure from terrorist attacks at home, pressure would likely build for an abrupt change to a more restrained U.S. foreign policy. But like the original 9/11 Commission report, President Bush regularly obscures this important reality by saying that America was attacked on 9/11 because of its freedoms, making no mention of U.S. interventionist foreign policy as the root cause.<br><br>Yet numerous public opinion polls in the Islamic world repeatedly prove the president wrong. The surveys show that people in Muslim countries admire American political and economic freedoms, culture, and technology. But the numbers go through the floor when Islamic people are asked about their approval of U.S. foreign policy. Much of this negative attitude derives from mindless U.S. backing of anything Israel does. In addition, Osama bin Laden has repeatedly written or stated that he attacks the United States because of its military presence in the Persian Gulf and its support for Israel and corrupt regimes in the Arab world.<br><br>The Bush administration has worsened the anti-U.S. hatred in Islamic countries, which drives this blowback terrorism, by its invasion of Iraq and its support of Israel’s excessive military response in Lebanon. Unfortunately, innocent Iraqis and Lebanese are unlikely to be the only ones afflicted with the damage from U.S. interventionism. Innocent Israelis and Americans have been, and will likely continue to be, the victims of policies that have been sold by President Bush on the basis of making the citizens of both countries safer and more secure, while the 9/11 Commission obediently has covered the administration’s tracks. <br><br>Ivan Eland is a Senior Fellow at The Independent Institute, Director of the Institute’s Center on Peace & Liberty, and author of the books The Empire Has No Clothes, and Putting “Defense” Back into U.S. Defense Policy.<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0808-33.htm">www.commondreams.org/views06/0808-33.htm</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: "Without Precedent", By T. Kean & Lee Hami

Postby BannedfromDU » Sat Aug 12, 2006 2:18 pm

<!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/Components/Art/MeetThePress/060810/STG_MTP_911comm_7a.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br>Sunday, Aug. 13<br>Michael Chertoff, Thomas Kean, Lee Hamilton<br><br>Nearly five years after the 9/11 attacks, a terrorist plot to detonate explosives on U.K. flights coming into the United States is foiled. One British official stated plainly that "this was intended to be mass murder on an unimaginable scale."<br><br>How close were the terrorists to implementing their planned attack? Was Al Qaeda involved? How will this change travel for Americans at home and abroad? And what does this say about the state of the War on Terror? With us, the Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff.<br><br>How safe are we? Is this plot discovery an example of the system working or does it highlight our areas of vulnerability and re-emphasize the dangerous determination of terrorists? We will ask the Chair and Vice Chair of the 9/11 Commission, former New Jersey Governor Thomas Kean (R) and former Indiana Congressman Lee Hamilton (D). They will share their insights on the latest terrorist plot as well as discuss their new book, "Without Precedent: The Inside Story of the 9/11 Commission."<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3898804/">***LINK***</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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