Ghost troops?

by **Sweejak** » Sun Aug 27, 2006 1:49 pm

Oh the FOIA file would be fun. I just recently had an opportunity to question McGovern on CIA activities, like the Nosenko affair, Angleton, JFK and LSD, Mind Control. He says that the CIA is compartmentalized and while he readily acknowledging the evil side says that his responsibilities were providing the President with unbiased info. In other words he probably doesn't have true insider info on those ops. True? I don't know. I wasn't able to get far into it as I was only one of a number of questioners. It was clear to me that he didn't want to explore that in depth, at least not in that setting. Is that gatekeeping or sticking to the topic at hand which was the Bush administrations purposeful borking of intelligence? Is this merely a reflection of internal system battles? I don't know. BTW, he pointed out why he was wearing a Code Pink tee and he said that while not a member he approves of their "in your face" activities. If the Not in Your Name folks are advocating for a strike I can go with that. At the DC demos for instance there was a lot of blog bantering about ANSWER and UFPJ... about whose rally it was. LOL. No one cared, the vast majority of the people there were there for one reason; it was the right thing to do. Some people only think they are leaders. That said, it doesn't excuse you from being aware of hijacking. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>1. I think one unfortunate penalty of working with the CIA is that you don't get to provide leadership of any sort in opposition movements. Sit down and lick envelopes if you want to help. Paint protest signs, but your life choices have disqualified you, I'm afraid<hr></blockquote> I guess that would apply to Col Ann Wright, who literally teared up about her former involvement with the administration at the mock trial where she testified against "A.Gonzales" (played by the son of Orlando Letelier) held in DC the day after the DC demos. It would rule out a lot of others too. It's a good point DE, but where would you stop the purge? A lot of folks don't go far enough for me, it could be they are gatekeepers or limited hangout. It could be that I'm simply naive. I won't necessarily rule them out, leaving open the possibility that people change. I'm way behind on the threads and have too much work to really catch up without skimming. Some pics from Camp Casey III <a href="http://homepage.mac.com/kaaawa/Polly_Tiks/PhotoAlbum97.html">homepage.mac.com/kaaawa/P...bum97.html</a>

by **Dreams End** » Sun Aug 27, 2006 2:35 pm

Is Ann Wright CIA? Dont' know anything about her. By the way, for an absolutely devastating critique of McGovern and the idea that he didn't know what was up with CIA (while any moderately aware political activist certainly did....come on....) check out: <a href="http://www.hirhome.com/israel/mprot3.htm">www.hirhome.com/israel/mprot3.htm</a> It's a decidely Pro-Israel site, for those who are really anti-Israel...but it has a very unique perspective on all this...one I share in many ways about the "setting up" of the neo-cons. This particular article notes that McGovern uses the word of another former spook, Cannistraro who "outs" neo-con Ledeen as having been involved in stuff like Iran Contra, all the while surely ware that Cannistraro was up to his ass in the same stuff. Further, on McGovern's background: <blockquote>Quote:<hr> “Ray McGovern [is] a former CIA operations officer,”[15] which is to say that “Ray McGovern [is] a 27-year veteran of the CIA’s clandestine service.”[16] What is the CIA’s clandestine service? As the Washington Post explains, “[The Central Intelligence Agency’s] Directorate of Operations, the agency’s clandestine service. . ., manages the agency’s counterterrorism center, espionage and paramilitary operations.”[17] The New York Times explains why the US ruling elite likes the CIA’s clandestine service so much: “The appeal of covert operations is that they are relatively cheap [and] do not require American troops.”[18]<hr></blockquote> In other words, his saying he didn't know what the CIA was up to is b.s. The problem with things like "Not in our name" is not that the ideas are bad. It's that these spook run agencies grab the good ideas and use them for their own purposes. So if there's a "World Can't Wait" protest in your neighborhood, do you participate? I don't know....just like I can't say "don't go to ANSWER events". But would it bother you if you knew for a fact that a huge rally was organized by people directly working for FBI or something...? If so, then the possibility should at least be worth close examination.

by **Dreams End** » Sun Aug 27, 2006 2:40 pm

As I was writing this, an email came from someone in our local peace activist group. It refers to a group called "courage to resist" who work with (likely quite genuine) GI resisters, including a Lt. Watada. Recognize the naming convention? Yep...they are ALSO RCP. I don't really know what to make of it, but RCP is a very small group so how they are being positioned so prominently should be of concern.

by **Avalon** » Sun Aug 27, 2006 2:53 pm

the Houston Chronicle ran my anti-Bush op-ed "Still worried about quicksand of war in Iraq," [<a href="http://www.ghosttroop.net/quicksandofwar.htm">www.ghosttroop.net/quicksandofwar.htm</a>] on July 8, 2003 -- and thereby unknowingly put me in the line of fire for retaliation. I searched the Houston Chronicle 2000-20004 archives for the phrase "quicksand of war." It brought up no results. I searched the Houston chronicle archives for the phrase “Success of Desert Storm being judged unfairly.” It brought up no results. I searched the Houston Chronicle archives for the phrase "laugh at duct tape." the only result for the phrase shows the response from John Leonard to the article. A google shows that no legitimate, professional news sources have picked up these articles. February 23, essay, “Don’t’ laugh at duct tape; it saves lives” While the use of a semi-colon in the header is perhaps technically correct and may have been placed there by the the editors rather than May, it is inappropriate. No need for a semi-colon when a simple comma would do. However, this phrase as it appears as a header on May's own website ventures into the realm of the subliterate, with the comma after the 23 (hey buddy, we can decode Discordian without the comma), and the extra apostrophe in don't'. <a href="http://www.ghosttroop.net/ducttape.htm">www.ghosttroop.net/ducttape.htm</a> The white supremacist group National Vanguard was sufficiently interested to reprint May's "The Ghost Troop of Baghdad" in 2004. <a href="http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=2437">www.nationalvanguard.org/...hp?id=2437</a> While that National Vanguard use is obviously not something that Eric May can control, I was bothered by other things I was reading in May's writing. He says, "Anyhow, I'm more humble than dirt. I live in a black neighborhood, a white man with a mixed-race wife and a black belt. (I like my brothers a lot more than my own -- white folks are too bourgeois for my blood...)." Yet when it comes to a young man who pulls a knife on him, he feels the need to gratuitously mention that the mugger is black. "As we trod the last hundred yards of road leading up to the trees, I saw a black man come from behind some bushes and stand out at the curb." <a href="http://www.adelaideinstitute.org/Conference/sacramento128.htm">www.adelaideinstitute.org...nto128.htm</a> I'm not saying that all of his stated facts or opinions are wrong, nor that there couldn't be some selective editing of the Chronicle's online archives. But when I encounter prose this manic, with sub-literate constructions on the website of a man claiming to be a teacher and journalist, and some strange racially-tinged aspects from someone who claims to not be racially prejudiced, my gut level response is to keep him at arm's length, if not further. I'm getting a bit too much "It's all about me!" from Eric Holmes May's writing.

by **Hugh Manatee Wins** » Sun Aug 27, 2006 4:29 pm

Both these men say many important things that are true. BUT Both say things that aren't and this is about things they SHOULD damn well know about. Szymanski's Arctic Beacon links to atrociously anti-semitic sites that market David Duke books, for instance. And Szymanski has distorted the Bush-Wall Street-Nazi history. When Captain Eric May keeps saying that his turning point of outrage was "realizing that the military public affairs people were lying instead of telling the truth and the media was complicit," this is WAY BEYOND credibility for someone whose career was in exactly the field of military information management for the biggest baddest boys. Only naive American civilians think the media is comprised of liberal watchdogs who are eager to expose horrible truths about what was once called 'our government.' So-called mainstream media is an organ of the State Department and Pentagon since Operation Mockingbird was formalized in the early 1950s and anyone like Captain May is trained to continue this scam as a tool of governance. So May's big aha! is utterly rediculous on the face of it. (Hi, Captain. Feel free to refute history and logic if you dare.)

by **Hugh Manatee Wins** » Sun Aug 27, 2006 5:14 pm

(Sorry for the diversion, y'all, but this is related to analyzing where Captain May and the Ghost Troops phenomenon is coming from.) Hey, BB. Have you checked out the websites that Szymanski's Arctic Beacon links to? Here's the Arctic Beacon links page- <a href="http://www.arcticbeacon.com/links.html">www.arcticbeacon.com/links.html</a> Here's one of those linked sites- <a href="http://www.gnrevival.com/HOME%20PAGE.htm">www.gnrevival.com/HOME%20PAGE.htm</a> (The Populists American) which links to this pro-Hitler anti-Jew Minute Man-loving page- <a href="http://supportbordercontrols.com/political/">supportbordercontrols.com/political/</a> which has a lovely page called 'Kill Jews' to make sure the message is clear- <a href="http://supportbordercontrols.com/political/page12.html">supportbordercontrols.com...age12.html</a> And that is what Szymanski's Arctic Beacon is, a gateway to right-wing white supremecist groups who try to steer anti-fascists who are aware of the war crimes of the US-UK-Israel alliance towards mere hate-filled anti-semitism. This may not even be genuine anti-semitism but manufactured to sow the internet with these 'moral black holes' to disable and smear the internet left with cyber-COINTELPRO ops. Arctic Beacon's stories include many anti-Jesuit/Vatican/Mexican stories which smell of John Birch Society leanings and Szymanski blew his cover and/or credibility with this beaut- <a href="http://www.arcticbeacon.com/21-Jan-2006.html">www.arcticbeacon.com/21-Jan-2006.html</a> (Is George H.W. Bush Really Prescott Bush's Son? Or Is He The Son Of Inventor Nikola Tesla's German-Born Accountant, George H. Scherff, Sr.?) lol. Should come with a warning label: "Not To Be Taken Internally"

by **Sweejak** » Sun Aug 27, 2006 5:29 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>...would it bother you if you knew for a fact that a huge rally was organized by people directly working for FBI or something...? <hr></blockquote> Yeah I'd like to go to the rally, charge the gates and string em up. Power to the people man! There have been a number of rallies and similar that I have not gone to because I didn't agree with the particular topic. Yes it would bother me a lot to participate in a rally if I knew that it was hijacked. If I get silenced about my most important issues then I would leave, and have.... unless I judge that the range of the group is limited and I can sometimes agree to play ball for the sake of "focus". Judgement call, one I don't take lightly. The flip side of "limited hangout" would be "limited hang in" I guess the tripwire would get pulled somewhere down the line. It's a game I'd rather not play at all. Imagine if 'we' suddenly 'won'. How long till the next battle? Pretty hot item from your link. I'll give it a lot of thought. I'd love to get a reply from McGovern. Why won't the US gov expose McGovern with Contra? I mean, how many Contra tainted folks are in this government anyway? I don't think the Republicans want to bring up Contra. Why won't the Mossad kill Ostrovsky? Or, why haven't they shut down the Net? Maybe we're all psy-op LHO? Anyway, when I asked McGovern about MK, LSD, and those sorts of topics I now wished I'd asked more informed questions along the lines suggested by the article. But in response to the question I did manage to ask he did "readily acknowledge" those things. This was signaled with a big nodding of the head when I asked, I took this to mean he was aware of it. It was then that he said that this stuff was compartmentalized. I can believe that, but I'd be much harder pressed to believe he wouldn't have know about Contra or Vietnam. Oh yeah, he also said that the CIA was, from the beginning, structurally "Schizophrenic". So, at least in my situation he did not play dumb. This was not a press conference and I'm obviously not a reporter but next chance I get I'd like to speak with him in a different setting. Meanwhile I'll try to find his email and ask him for a response to issues raised in the link. If UFPJ, ANSWER or World Can't Wait called for a general strike would you participate? Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=sweejak@rigorousintuition>Sweejak</A> at: 8/27/06 10:45 pm

by **Dreams End** » Sun Aug 27, 2006 7:39 pm

I don't think UFPJ is part of this...in fact I think that's what has trouble emerging due to the dominance of ANSWER...though I think they work together on stuff now...but I could be wrong on that. What's the history of UFPJ? Anyway, it's a dilemna...a real one. The fact that a tainted source is the ultimate organizer, what about all the good local organing energy? Hate to even try to dissipate that. I think the first thing is for local groups to sit down and have an honest look at all of this. I think I'd support decisions either way, but I don't want people going in with blinders. If these guys are hooked in the way I think they are, then it could be just to keep tabs, or it could be to blow things up (hopefully not literally) if things get out of hand. It also allows those clever investigative journalists something to use to discredit the events. It's actually interesting to me that in this "cold war culture", you don't see a lot of mainstream attacks on ANSWER as being WWP. And I've never seen much of anything on RCP as behind some of this stuff. I'm critical, but not because of the "communist" past....but you'd think some rightwingers would have a field day with this stuff. Maybe they have and I just haven't seen it. So I guess "informed consent" will be my answer. Talk among the groups you work with.....divulge the suspicious nature of some of these groups and then decide together. It may be that both groups have created organizations that are enough of a coalition that the effect of RCP or WWP is minimized....but they are doing this for a reason...I just can't say for sure I know exactly what that reason is.

by **bamabecky** » Sun Aug 27, 2006 8:20 pm

When I click on your first link on Greg's website, I did not see the following links you site after that......are you implying that I can go to one of those links, click, keep clicking and eventually find a site that's anti-Semitic????? That's a rIdiculous charge to make. When I click on Greg's link you site - I did not find the garbage (pro-Hitler, kill Jews) you claimed I would....such as <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Here's one of those linked sites- www.gnrevival.com/HOME%20PAGE.htm (The Populists American) which links to this pro-Hitler anti-Jew Minute Man-loving page- supportbordercontrols.com/political/ which has a lovely page called 'Kill Jews' to make sure the message is clear- supportbordercontrols.com...age12.html<hr></blockquote> You can slam the guy all you want, but in my mind, I have to wonder about your motives. You comments reflect more on you than they do Greg. I'm not anti-Semitic, anti-Catholic, or anti-anything. I'm pro American. I'm a big fan of Greg's. I love his show. I have learned a lot from him, none of it was as you described. If you want to know what's happening, you will listen too (unless of course you don't, then you want..Ha!) Funny how you ignore the Leo Wanta story - THE BIGGEST FINANCIAL STORY OF THE CENTURY. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> Greg is the only one covering it in depth. Again, my apologies to the Cap'n May thread. Bama Be the Media! Write a personal essay to your friends and family, telling them what's going on and tell them how and where to find more info.

by **Dreams End** » Sun Aug 27, 2006 8:35 pm

I'd be interested in the Wanta story but I quickly leafed through the links and they all assumed a lot of background knowledge...if there's a summary somewhere that would be interesting Disclaimer...I'm no fan of Syzmanski's and I'm not even going to get into that but I'm willing to have a go at the Wanta stuff.

by **Sweejak** » Sun Aug 27, 2006 8:39 pm

Yeah, a real dilemma. I've "hijacked" MoveOn film screenings, arriving with DVD's and print outs about what I thought was omitted information. In the end it didn't matter that MoveOn sponsored it because the discussion went way beyond "F9-11" or "Outfoxed". I made a lot of contacts. So, in this case MoveOn thought they were a leader but they really weren't, they just provided a platform. I don't know anymore how I feel about adopting some of these tactics. I guess providing info with honest intent is good enough? If the info is wrong then I'm a disinfo agent. How to determine if I wasn't a disinfo agent all along. A dilemma. Not all cases are as hazy as this. Some local groups do sit down and focus on single issues. It ain't easy because every thing connects so where do you draw the line, when it is censorship, when is it hypocrisy? Hell, another judgement call... Gahhh! When I was twisting about going to Camp Casey for the first time, thinking "man, this is a total left wing hijacked thing, why should I go and put my butt out there in the 100º heat, to revisit the 60's?" I think it was Anna Livia or... forgot her screen name.. GDN, who said something like "you do the right thing." And that stuck with me. Since when is running a woman - who lost her son in W's war - into a ditch acceptable? Can it at some point be put that simply? I think so, but it depends how extreme things are. So, I wonder, will humanity have to crucify itself before such simple solutions become the right thing to do? Way off topic I know. Ok, Ghost Troop. Kevin Barrett I think he was/is in Ghost Troop. I might be wrong. <a href="http://www.mujca.com/essay.htm">www.mujca.com/essay.htm</a> <a href="http://tinyurl.com/r84gk">tinyurl.com/r84gk</a>

by **Hugh Manatee Wins** » Sun Aug 27, 2006 8:42 pm

Interesting that Szymanski is focusing on this and not the trillions missing from the Pentagon as admitted by Rumsfeld on 9/10/01. (Bamabecky, I gave you the links straight from Arctic Beacon and onward. No reason to impute my motives as you so often do.)

by **bamabecky** » Sun Aug 27, 2006 9:01 pm

Rumsfeld's trillions PALE BY COMPARRISON to the Leo Wanta very current, as well as long long history of a struggle with the "powers that be". I repeat it is the BIGGEST FINANCIAL STORY OF THE CENTURY. The only talk show that I know about that is covering it in depth is Greg's Investigative Journal. It's an amazing story! Anybody can go click on what you sited HMW, and I try to call it like I see it, motives and all. So do others, as "your jingoism is showing and you need to attend to that (whatever the heck that means)". When you sling mud on others, Mama always said you get a little on you. So stop disparaging others so blatantly and perhaps no one will question your motives. I'm going to go find something else to do that's more constructive timewise. Bye Bama<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> Be the Media! Write a personal essay to your friends and family, telling them what's going on and tell them how and where to find more info.

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