The Controlled Demolition of the World Trade Center

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Re: link

Postby erosoplier » Tue Sep 05, 2006 3:30 pm

It's all in the timing. We suspect CD in the first place because the underneith provided no resistance. This is consistent with a nuke underneith as long as the top coming down is well coordinated. <br><br>This nuke he's talking about is like a flashlight beam in shape, not like a star. That, combined with it being located at basement level could account for the lack of e-m losses - it shot UP, not all around.<br><br>Now where did I put my trusty old metal testing kit then...<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: link

Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Tue Sep 05, 2006 4:02 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Yes, the dust clouds obscured the end of the collapse at the bottom but any weapon 'vaporizing' anything would create enough light for everyone to see it like a candle in a pumpkin glowing through the dust cloud which would act like a projection screen.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Have you ever turned on your vehicle's brights in a fog bank? It's an excellent way to get in a wreck, just in case you haven't..<br><br>Not saying I'm for a nuke theory at all, just saying the cloud wouldn't act as a projection screen at all. <p>____________________<br>Some are born to sweet delight, some are born to endless night.</p><i></i>
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Re: mini-nukes "evidence" is manufactured nonsens

Postby rrapt » Tue Sep 05, 2006 6:47 pm

Hugh, with due respect I would point out you were following a number of personal, unfounded scientific assumptions as basis for nailing <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>no evidence here</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> at the end of each paragraf.<br><br>As if you were the final authority. There is no better way to trash your own credibility. Actually it reminded me of a style so often heard in freeperville.<br><br>Are you quoting somebody else up there? <p></p><i></i>
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video of WTC1 core remnant demolition, Gordon Ross analysis

Postby vigilantwarrior » Wed Sep 06, 2006 9:52 am

For those who have not studied this segment, it may be instructive. It is lifted from the original 911Eyewitness, whose creator is now loudly advocating the "mini-nuke" theory. Yet it shows a constellation of rapid flashes descending the still-standing core remnant (the so-called "spire"), luminous enough to pierce the dust cloud, followed by the disintegration and seeming vertical collapse (not "vaporization") of the remnant:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.911eyewitness.com/truth/downloads/spirefinish.wmv">www.911eyewitness.com/tru...finish.wmv</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Gordon Ross has incorporated this clip, along with other video evidence of similar exterior flashes, in his analysis "How the Towers Were Demolished" here:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://gordonssite.tripod.com/id2.html">gordonssite.tripod.com/id2.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: video of WTC1 core remnant demolition, Gordon Ross analy

Postby xsic bastardx » Wed Sep 06, 2006 10:54 am

<br> Vigilant Warrior....great stuff.....I had been looking for that video footage for ever....tho....it's not the same video I saw! But great never the less........<br><br><br> The video I saw a couple of years ago shows I believe the first collapse.....RIGHT before the collaspe you see a *bright* unmistakable light eminate from then BOTTOM of the tower all the way up.....almost like a Huge Pop....and then the budliding starts to fall......<br><br><br> I have been thinking for some time that it was aphased demoliton as Ross put forth in his paper.....really good stuff. My Good Friend(who used to own a Building Demo company in New York in the 90's) and I would rant for hours on the ways they could have brought it down. Of course the probably used thermite...however.....the million dollar question is......<br><br> How do you vaporize that Basment Structure UNDER the towers.....regardless of it came down top first you HAVE to get rid of the Collums and Support system in the basement to get it to come down the way it did....and the molten pools of steel in the basment.....god only knows....<br><br><br> And anyone interested in Mini Nukes should do some snooping on the Russians and the progess they made with red Mercury in the 80's and 90's and the design of the Mini-Nuke <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=xsicbastardx>xsic bastardx</A> at: 9/6/06 9:40 am<br></i>
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Re: video of WTC1 core remnant demolition, Gordon Ross analy

Postby vigilantwarrior » Wed Sep 06, 2006 11:28 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>My Good Friend and I(who used to own a Building Demo company in New York in the 90's)<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>As a demolition professional, surely you have an educated opinion as to the nature of these flashes, yes? Are they steel cutting charges (RDX, etc.), or not? If they are cutters, what need have we for such an exotic (and mind-closing) solution as nukes to explain this phenomenon? Would not the detonation of a nuke prior to this sequence have already dissolved the core, making the final felling of this remnant unnecessary?<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: video of WTC1 core remnant demolition, Gordon Ross analy

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Wed Sep 06, 2006 11:37 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr> How do you vaporize that Basment Structure UNDER the towers<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>What indicates <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>'vaporization'</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> to you?</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> <br><br>That 'v' word seems inapplicable to me.<br><br>Apart from the molten materials which thermate would generate in WTC 1- 2-7 the rest is explainable by non-nuclear bombs, isn't it? <br><br>Seems so to me. <br><br>The military, oil-drilling, and demolition businesses all have specialized explosives which could account for what happened and the excursion into nuclear scenarios is unwarranted and, as I've already opined, an unsubstantiated and inappropriate diversion from more mundane inquiries. <br><br>I'm sure the military has explosive technology we know not of and I'm no ordinance expert but the nuclear thing is a dead end.<br><br>Not that it shouldn't be weighed, of course. <p></p><i></i>
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Ooops.....

Postby xsic bastardx » Wed Sep 06, 2006 11:38 am

<br><br> That should of been after my Good Friends Name, he was the one that owned the Demo Company.....feck....I hate when I do that.....guess I should have re read that.<br><br><br> I would totally ask him this and a million other questions. I lost contact with him a few years ago, I got in contact with his family and they informed he passed a few years ago.<br><br><br> I will always remember talking to him on 9/11. He told me with all certainty that those buildings were brought down with expolsives. <p></p><i></i>
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NIST - a hi tech version of the 911 Whitewash Commission

Postby isachar » Wed Sep 06, 2006 11:58 am

From vig's link, this juxtaposes NIST's recent attempt to refute 911 researchers who hav concluded the WTC's collapse was in actuality a facilitated collapse with a considered response to NIST's recent proclamation. <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://gordonssite.tripod.com/id3.html">gordonssite.tripod.com/id3.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>The material immediately following the numbered points are NIST's proclamations, followed by the response of this site's author.<br><br>13. Why did the NIST investigation not consider reports of molten steel in the wreckage from the WTC towers?<br>. . The condition of the steel in the wreckage of the WTC towers (i.e., whether it was in a molten state or not) was irrelevant to the investigation of the collapse since it does not provide any conclusive information on the condition of the steel when the WTC towers were standing. <br><br> This is perhaps the most ridiculous statement that NIST utters. If there was molten steel in the WTC towers then this is conclusive proof that some other factor was involved other than the aircraft impact, the consequent fire and a gravity only collapse. NIST tell us it doesn't matter.<br><br>NIST’s findings also do not support the "controlled demolition" theory since there is conclusive evidence that:<br>the collapse was initiated in the impact and fire floors of the WTC towers and nowhere else, and;<br>the time it took for the collapse to initiate (56 minutes for WTC 2 and 102 minutes for WTC 1) was dictated by (1) the extent of damage caused by the aircraft impact, and (2) the time it took for the fires to reach critical locations and weaken the structure to the point<br><br> AND???? <br><br> This means nothing. Neither of these two observations, whether valid or not, rule out an assisted collapse.<br><br><br>"NIST found no corroborating evidence for alternative hypotheses suggesting that the WTC towers were brought down by controlled demolition using explosives..."<br> Hardly surprising since their attitude in ignoring the molten metal seems to extend to also ignore the evidence of the many eye witnesses of explosions. If the pancaking is now ruled out how does NIST account for the evidence of regular patterns in the explosive sounds that were previously explained away as the falling floors progressively striking lower floors.<br><br>"12. Did the NIST investigation look for evidence of the WTC towers being brought down by controlled demolition? Was the steel tested for explosives or thermite residues? The combination of thermite and sulfur (called thermate) "slices through steel like a hot knife through butter.""<br>NIST STATEMENT: "NIST did not test for the residue of these compounds in the steel."<br><br> Perhaps this explains why they found no corroborating evidence. The ability to believe and try to explain away the squibs, and their regular pattern, as being caused by overpressures at the collapse front must have helped. <br><br><br>NIST: Therefore, while a thermite reaction can cut through large steel columns, many thousands of pounds of thermite would need to have been placed inconspicuously ahead of time, remotely ignited, and somehow held in direct contact with the surface of hundreds of massive structural components to weaken the building. This makes it an unlikely substance for achieving a controlled demolition.<br><br><br> NIST, while not testing for the residue of thermite, did manage to calculate that it would take "many thousands of pounds." This logic is remarkable. An assisted collapse would require many thousands of pounds, yet their preferred explanation of a gravity only collapse would require none. If an assisted collapse requires thermite charges to be placed on hundreds of massive structural components to weaken the building, how would a gravity only collapse be able to perform that same task?<br><br>---------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Much of interest to be found at the above link. Thanks for posting vig, this link consolidates much of the facilitated collapse evidence and focuses on NIST's phony analysis.<br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=isachar>isachar</A> at: 9/6/06 11:24 am<br></i>
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Re: NIST - a hi tech version of the 911 Whitewash Commission

Postby darkbeforedawn » Wed Sep 06, 2006 12:23 pm

Yes Ross's work appears to be extremely cautious and professional. Show it to all your engineer and technical friends. Watch them squirm as they have to face their crumbling paradigm of who we are and expecially who Bushco is. <p></p><i></i>
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