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Powerful/conclusive evidence of controlled demolition (WTC)

PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 10:42 am
by Seventhsonjr
<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href=""></a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>WTC Basement Blast And Injured Burn Victim Blows 'Official 9/11 Story' Sky High; Eye Witness Testimony Is Conclusive That North Tower Collapsed From Controlled Demolition<br><br>WTC janitor pulls burn victim to safety after basement explosion rocks north tower seconds before jetliner hit top floors. Also, two other men trapped and drowning in a basement elevator shaft, were also pulled to safety from underground explosion..<br>June 24, 2005<br><br>By Greg Szymanski<br><br>What happened to William Rodriguez the morning of 9/11 is a miracle. What happened to his story after-the-fact is a tragedy.<br>But with miracles and tragedies comes truth. And truth is exactly what Rodriguez brings to the whole mystery surrounding 9/11.<br>Declared a hero for saving numerous lives at Ground Zero, he was the janitor on duty the morning of 9/11 who heard and felt explosions rock the basement sub-levels of the north tower just seconds before the jetliner struck the top floors.<br>He not only claims he felt explosions coming from below the first sub-level while working in the basement, he says the walls were cracking around him and he pulled a man to safety by the name of Felipe David, who was severely burned from the basement explosions.<br>All these events occurred only seconds before and during the jetliner strike above. And through it all, he now asks a simple question everybody should be asking? How could a jetliner hit 90 floors above and burn a man’s arms and face to a crisp in the basement below within seconds of impact?<br>Rodriguez claims this was impossible and clearly demonstrates a controlled demolition brought down the WTC, saying "Let’s see them (the government) try to wiggle out of this one."<br>Well, they haven’t wiggled out of it because the government continues to act like Rodriguez doesn’t exist, basically ignoring his statements and the fact he rescued a man burnt and bleeding from the basement explosions.<br>His eye witness account, ignored by the media and the government, points the finger squarely on an official cover-up at the highest levels since the government contends the WTC fell only from burning jet fuel. And after listening to Rodriguez, it’s easy to see why the Bush administration wants him kept quiet.<br>Bush wants him quiet because Rodriguez’s account is ‘proof positive’ the WTC was brought down by a controlled demolition, not burning jet fuel. And Bush knows if he’s caught lying about this or caught in a cover-up, it’s just a matter of time before the whole house of cards comes tumbling down.<br>In fact, Rodriguez’s story is so damaging – so damning – it literally blows the lid off the government story, literally exposing the whole 9/11 investigation as a sham and a cover-up of the worst kind.<br>And it appears the cover-up also extends to the media.<br>NBC news knew about his story several years ago, even spending a full day at his house taping his comments. But when push came to shove, his story was never aired. Why?<br>His eyewitness account, backed up by at least 14 people at the scene with him, isn’t speculation or conjecture. It isn’t a story that takes a network out on a journalistic limb. It’s a story that can be backed up, a story that can be verified with hospital records and testimony from many others.<br>It’s a story about 14 people who felt and heard the same explosion and even saw Rodriguez, moments after the airplane hit, take David to safety, after he was burnt so bad from the basement explosion flesh was hanging from his face and both arms<br>So why didn’t NBC or any other major news outlets cover the story? They didn’t run it because it shot the government story to hell and back. They didn’t run it because "the powers that be" wouldn’t allow it.<br>Since 9/11, Rodriguez has stuck to his guns, never wavering from what he said from day one. Left homeless at times, warned to keep quiet and subtly harassed, he nevertheless has continued trying to tell get his message out in the face of a country not willing to listen.<br>Here is his story:<br>The Miracle<br>It’s a miracle Rodriguez, 44, who worked at the WTC for 20 years, is even alive. Usually arriving to work at 8:30am, the morning of 9/11 he reported 30 minutes late. If he’d arrived on time, it would have put him at the top floors just about the same time the jetliner hit the north tower.<br>"It was a miracle. If I arrived on time, like always, I’d probably be dead. I would have been up at the top floors like every morning," said Rodriguez about the quirk of fate that saved his life.<br>But since he was late, Rodriguez found himself checking into work in an office on sub-level 1 when the north tower was hit, seemingly out of harms way. However, the sound and concussion of a massive explosion in the sub-levels right below his feet changed that.<br>"When I heard the sound of the explosion, the floor beneath my feet vibrated, the walls started cracking and it everything started shaking," said Rodriguez, who was huddled together with at least 14 other people in the office.<br>Rodriguez said Anthony Saltamachia, supervisor for the American Maintenance Co., was one of the people in the room who stands ready to verify his story.<br>"Seconds after the first massive explosion below in the basement still rattled the floor, I hear another explosion from way above," said Rodriguez. "Although I was unaware at the time, this was the airplane hitting the tower, it occurred moments after the first explosion."<br>But before Rodriguez had time to think, co-worker Felipe David stormed into the basement office with severe burns on his face and arms, screaming for help and yelling "explosion! explosion! explosion!"<br>David had been in front of a nearby freight elevator on sub-level 1 about 400 feet from the office when fire burst out of the elevator shaft, causing his injuries.<br>"He was burned terribly," said Rodriguez. "The skin was hanging off his hands and arms. His injuries couldn’t have come from the airplane above, but only from a massive explosion below. I don’t care what the government says, what scientists say. I saw a man burned terribly from a fire that was caused from an explosion below.<br>"I know there were explosives placed below the trade center. I helped a man to safety who is living proof, living proof the government story is a lie and a cover-up.<br>"I have tried to tell my story to everybody, but nobody wants to listen. It is very strange what is going on here in supposedly the most democratic country in the world. In my home country of Puerto Rico and all the other Latin American countries, I have been allowed to tell my story uncensored. But here, I can’t even say a word."<br>After Rodriguez escorted David to safety outside the WTC, he returned to lead the others in the basement to safety as well. While there, he also helped two other men trapped and drowning in the basement elevator shaft, another result he says of the explosives placed below the tower.<br>In fact, after leading these men to safety, he even made another trip back into the north tower, against police orders, in order to rescue people from the top floors.<br>"I never could make it to the top, but I got up to the 33rd floor after getting some of my equipment and a face mask out of the janitor’s closet," said Rodriguez, adding he heard a series of small explosions going off between the 20th and 30th floors, unrelated to the airplane strike, while making his way through the stairwell to the top floors.<br>"Also, when I was on the 33rd floor, I heard strange sounds coming form the 34th floor, loud noises like someone moving and thumping heavy equipment and furniture. I knew this floor was empty and stripped due to construction work so I avoided it and continued to make my way up the stairs."<br>Rodriguez said he finally reached the 39th floor before being turned back by fire fighters and then, reluctantly, started his descent back down and his own flight to safety while, at the same time, hearing explosions coming from the South Tower.<br>The Tragedy<br>The concerted effort by the media and the government to silence Rodriguez is the tragedy behind this American hero’s story. And there is no question, Rodriguez is a "silent hero" for saving so many lives and for having the courage to continue telling his story against tremendous odds.<br>In an effort to open a fair and honest investigation as to why the WTC collapsed, Rodriguez has been ignored by government officials, the 9/11 Commission and the National Institute of Safety and Technology (NIST).<br>NIST, an independent investigative group funded by the government, put the finishing touches this week on its 2 year $35 million 9/11 investigation. This week Rodriguez made his final plea to have his story heard while testifying at the final public hearing held in New York.<br>" I disagree 100%with the government story," said Rodriguez. "I met with the 9/11 Commission behind closed doors and they essentially discounted everything I said regarding the use of explosives to bring down the north tower.<br>"And I contacted NIST previously four times without a response. Finally, this week I asked them before they came up with their conclusion that jet fuel brought down the towers, if they ever considered my statements or the statements of any of the other survivors who heard the explosions. They just stared at me with blank faces and didn’t have any answers.<br>"Also, The FBI never followed up on my claims or on the other part of my story when I told them before 9/11, I encountered one of the hijackers casing the north tower."<br>Besides the explosions, Rodriguez also has provided testimony to the 9/11 Commission that he stumbled across one of the supposed 19 Arab hijackers inside the WTC several months before 9/11<br>"I had just finished cleaning the bathroom and this guy asks me, 'Excuse me, how many public bathrooms are in this area?'" Rodriguez told the 9/11 Commission. "Coming from the school of the 1993 [Trade Center] bombing, I found it very strange. I didn't forget about it"<br>Rodriguez, claims he saw United Airlines Flight 175 hijacker Mohand Alshehri in June 2001, telling an FBI agent about the incident a month after the attacks. Never hearing back from the bureau, he later learned agents never followed up on the story.<br>"I'm very certain, I'll give it 90%" that Alshehri was casing the towers before the attacks," said Rodriguez.<br>Regarding the media’s apathetic approach to his story, Rodriguez said immediately after 9/11 some newspapers picked it up but his words were never taken seriously and quickly forgotten.<br>"During the 9/11 hearings, NBC brought a crew out to my house and spent a day taping my story but they never did air a word of it," said Rodriguez. "Since then, some reporters and commentators have subtly warned me to keep quiet, told me my life could be in jeopardy and warned me that I really didn’t understand who I was dealing with.<br>"I have been receiving this type of subtle harassment for years, but I keep telling everybody I can’t be intimidated because I am on a mission. Whenever someone asks why I keep talking or warns me that I could be killed, I just tell them I have nothing to lose.<br>"I tell them I lost 200 friends and I am their voice now. I tell them I will do everything in my power to find out the truth since I am living on borrowed time since I probably should be dead anyway."<br>Besides trying to tell his explosive story, Rodriguez has been active raising money for 9/11victims, being involved with charity groups that have raised more than $122 million. He says he has used over $60,000 of his own money, originally earmarked to buy a new house, in order to get at the truth behind 9/11.<br>Also seeking justice at the highest level, Rodriguez is the lead plaintiff in a federal RICO lawsuit filed against President Bush and others, alleging conspiracy to commit murder and other crimes in the deaths of more than 3,000 at the WTC.<br>The case, filed last November in a Philadelphia federal district court, recently was moved to New York in a change of venue after a government’s motion to dismiss was overruled, allowing legal discovery to continue.<br>"Even if the case goes no farther, I feel we have scored a victory by winning this first battle," said Rodriguez. "At least the judge seems willing to listen which is a victory of sorts. However, I sincerely hope we can eventually take the case all the way to trial and reveal the truth to the American people about 9/11."<br>For more informative articles, go to where kind donations are also accepted to keep the truth flowing in the wake of media apathy.<br>Greg Szymanski<br><br> <br> <br> <p></p><i></i>

Re: Powerful/conclusive evidence of controlled demolition

PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 2:05 pm
by wolf pauli
Already linked on the 'Former Bush team member ...' thread, but might as well give it its own thread. Important article. Kudos to William Rodriguez.<br> <p></p><i></i>

re: Another Syzmanski report, ex-Marine Col. refutation

PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 3:49 pm
by Starman
Retired Marine Col. Donn de Gran Pre re: majority of military at Pentagon are opposed to the neocons, disagree with 'official' 911 explanation, consider it an inside job, ie., 'cold coup'; Was involved in the post-911 ad-hoc study by current and retired military and pilots (referenced by many 911 truth investigators) that concluded the hijack-attack hypothesis was impossible;<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href=""></a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>--excerpt--<br><br>“I’ve personally talked with the Chairman of the Joint Chief of Staff, General Myers, and he is total agreement, at least privately, that 911 was an inside job,” said the Colonel. “He agrees with my assessment and the assessment of other experts who all say that the “Official Story” is way off base. Of course, he will deny it publicly as will the other higher-ups in both the military and civilian sectors. They will, in fact, publicly deny ever talking to me. That’s the way the game is played.<br><br> “But they can’t deny, if someone would just dig deep enough to push the issue, that I along with a group of civilian and military expert-pilots presented a 24- page report to Gen. Myers after 911, detailing our theory of what really happened. He agrees with our assessment that it was an inside job. He just won’t admit it publicly and, you see, the games continue!”<br><br> The 24-page report given to Gen. Myers was compiled by a group of distinguished commercial, civilian and military pilots after a 72-hour marathon symposium organized by the Colonel just days after 911.<br><br> The results were shocking, but only to those not privy to how the neo-cons and their wealthy supporters operate.<br><br> The report basically warns the American public that the government’s official version does not hold up to scrutiny. It concludes military defense systems were suspended and standard operating procedures ignored, allowing for the airplanes on 911 to strike their targets without interruption. <br><br> Furthermore, the report concludes that flight crews on all four passenger jets involved in 911 had no control over their aircraft and were either remote-controlled into their targets or substituted by military drone look- a-likes. The report ads that Flight 93, flying over Somerset County, Pa., was the only plane that should not have been shot down, but most probably was brought down on specific orders with missiles fired from a fighter squadron called The Happy Hooligans.<br><br> “Our written report ultimately got into the hands of the Vice Chairman of the Joint Chief of Staff, Gen, Peter Pace, on Jan. 23, 2002,” said the Colonel. “I then got a call on March 5 from one of the General’s horse holders that there would be no official comment at this time.<br><br> “Now, the situation surrounding my report remains as follows: The mainstream American media has failed to publish or broadcast any details regarding the independent inquiry. I have solid evidence that 500 copies of the report were immediately distributed to the higher-ups, including General Myers, Rumsfeld and the White House. Not surprisingly, I have not been officially approached regarding our findings and there has been no official word mentioned whatsoever by any of the parties mentioned above.<br><br> “In fact, the only people to give it any mention at all has been a very long and detailed report in the Portugal press as well as an interview that aired earlier this year with alternative radio broadcaster, Alex Jones. <br>. . .<br>I figure about 70% of the military at the Pentagon are with us on this, but it’s hard to tell since they have placed so many minions loyal to the civilian hierarchy within the ranks. However, the signs are all there: first the attack to create fear, then the Patriot Act to control the masses, then martial law and then the takeover. They can be stopped, but it is not going to be easy.”<br><br><br>*****<br>Chilling, when 'hope' for America lies in a military coup. Note how the Bush admin's recent efforts to purge the ranks of Intelligence agencies and the Pentagon of those who question or are contemptuous of the neocons with faithful, non-questioning minions seems to affirm Pre's claims that a majority of military officers are extremely critical of the Bush Gang and don't buy the official 911 story.<br><br>Re: Rodriguez's claims to have seen --alleged-- Flight 175 hijacker Mohand Alsheri in June casing the WTC North's public bathrooms -- HOW is that supposed to connect with the alternative 911 attack thesis that contradicts the official version, ie., the 'Muslim terrorists' were installing demolition charges to help bring-down the towers in concert with an airliner crash? Why risk a supposedly skilled pilot to do surveillance? How is checking-out bathrooms helpful to planting explosives, assuming the WTC buildings weren't constructed with demolition charges in-place to aid their eventual decommissioning? The suspected eyewitness observation of a 'terrorist' 3 months before 911 is such a weak, tenuous thread that his insistence it is a major lead IMO tends to undermine Rodriguez's credibility to little benefit <br>-- which is a shame because his testimony of evidence of unexplained explosions and burn-victims far from the crash-zone is very important -- as is the non-response by officials and the 911 Commission to his testimony. What sticks in my mind are the pools of molten metal in the WTC sub-basement, and the inexplicable recorded hot-spots as the WTC wreckage smoldered through September and October. <br><br>I also recall an analysis done of the immense crushed-concrete cloud as each of the towers fell which couldn't be accounted for solely from the energy of gravitational collapse, as well as the free-fall speed of the crumbling towers, all of which point to another explanation of the tower's destruction than 'just' structural failure from oxygen-starved jet-fuelled fires. The core beams being 'broken' into 30-40 ft. sections convenient for disposal without needing to be cut is also very suspicious. Of course, the speedy removal of debris without conducting a comprehensive accident-investigation or treating the site as a crime-scene is some of the most damning evidence that a cover-up was in place for a reason. And WHY would the FBI cover-up and deny that 3 of the 4 black-box flight-recorders were recovered, if there wasn't something to hide?<br><br>More than enuff Questions still to go around ...<br>But one of the biggest smoking-guns to me is the Military's counter-espionage drills going on that day, presumably directed by Cheney, and which the whole bureaucracy has steadfastly denied -- without which the attacks would never have succeeded to the degree they did.<br>Starman<br><!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :\ --><img src= ALT=":\"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>

re: Another Syzmanski report, ex-Marine Col. refutation

PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 10:28 pm
by anonymous
"HOW is that supposed to connect with the alternative 911 attack thesis"<br><br>just another strawman starman.<br><br>never underestimate rove... <p></p><i></i>

Alex Jones interviews Szymanski, Rodriguez & PC Roberts

PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 3:08 am
by st4
<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :eek --><img src= ALT=":eek"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> WOW! This is a must listen interview from Alex Jones with Greg Szymanski, William Rodriguez and Dr. Paul Craig Roberts:<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href=",_William_Rodriguez,_Paul_Craig_Roberts_(911).mp3"></a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>

re: evidence of controlled demolition re: seismic spikes

PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 2:02 pm
by Starman
Recalling the evidence of seismic spikes indicating a major ground-shaking event just before the towers began to collapse.<br><br> <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href=""></a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br><br>SEISMIC ‘SPIKES’ <br><br>Seismographs at Columbia University’s Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory in Palisades, N.Y., 21 miles north of the WTC, recorded strange seismic activity on Sept. 11 that has still not been explained. <br><br>While the aircraft crashes caused minimal earth shaking, significant earthquakes with unusual spikes occurred at the beginning of each collapse. <br><br>The Palisades seismic data recorded a 2.1 magnitude earthquake during the 10-second collapse of the South Tower at 9:59:04 and a 2.3 quake during the 8-second collapse of the North Tower at 10:28:31. <br><br>However, the Palisades seismic record shows that—as the collapses began—a huge seismic “spike” marked the moment the greatest energy went into the ground. The strongest jolts were all registered at the beginning of the collapses, well before the falling debris struck the Earth. <br><br>These unexplained “spikes” in the seismic data lend credence to the theory that massive explosions at the base of the towers caused the collapses. <br><br>A “sharp spike of short duration” is how seismologist Thorne Lay of University of California at Santa Cruz told AFP an underground nuclear explosion appears on a seismograph. <br><br>The two unexplained spikes are more than 20 times the amplitude of the other seismic waves associated with the collapses and occurred in the East-West seismic recording as the buildings began to fall. <br><br>Experts cannot explain why the seismic waves peaked before the towers actually hit the ground. <br><br>Asked about these spikes, seismologist Arthur Lerner-Lam, director of Columbia University’s Center for Hazards and Risk Research told AFP, “This is an element of current research and discussion. It is still being investigated.” <br><br>Lerner-Lam told AFP that a 10-fold increase in wave amplitude indicates a 100-fold increase in energy released. These “short-period surface waves,” reflect “the interaction between the ground and the building foundation,” according to a report from Columbia Earth Institute. <br><br>“The seismic effects of the collapses are comparable to the explosions at a gasoline tank farm near Newark on Jan. 7, 1983,” the Palisades Seismology Group reported on Sept. 14, 2001. <br><br>One of the seismologists, Won-Young Kim, told AFP that the Palisades seismographs register daily underground explosions from a quarry 20 miles away. <br><br>These blasts are caused by 80,000 pounds of ammonium nitrate and cause local earthquakes between Magnitude 1 and 2. Kim said the 1993 truck-bomb at the WTC did not register on the seismographs because it was “not coupled” to the ground. <br><br>“Only a small fraction of the energy from the collapsing towers was converted into ground motion,” Lerner-Lam said. “The ground shaking that resulted from the collapse of the towers was extremely small.” <br><br>Last November, Lerner-Lam said: “During the collapse, most of the energy of the falling debris was absorbed by the towers and the neighboring structures, converting them into rubble and dust or causing other damage—but not causing significant ground shaking.” <br><br>Evidently, the energy source that shook the ground beneath the towers was many times more powerful than the total potential energy released by the falling mass of the towers. The question is: What was that energy source? <br><br>While steel is often tested for evidence of explosions, despite numerous eyewitness reports of explosions in the towers, the engineers involved in the FEMA-sponsored building assessment did no such tests. <br><br>Dr. W. Gene Corley, who investigated for the government the cause of the fire at the Branch Davidian compound in Waco and the Oklahoma City bombing, headed the FEMA-sponsored engineering assessment of the WTC collapse. <br><br>Corley told AFP that while some tests had been done on the 80 pieces of steel saved from the site, he said he did not know about tests that show if an explosion had affected the steel. <br><br>“I am not a metallurgist,” Corley said. <br><br>Much of the structural steel from the WTC was sold to Alan D. Ratner of Metal Management of Newark, N.J., and the New York-based company Hugo Neu Schnitzer East. <br><br>Ratner, who heads the New Jersey branch of the Chi ca go-based company, sold the WTC steel to overseas companies, reportedly selling more than 50,000 tons of steel to a Shanghai steel company known as Baosteel for $120 per ton. Ratner paid about $70 per ton for the steel. <br><br>Other shipments of steel from the WTC went to India and other Asian ports. <br><br>Ratner came to Metal Management after spending years with a metal trading firm known as SimsMetal based out of Sydney, Australia. <br>***<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href=""></a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>Popular Mechanics provides a pretty lame explanation to debunk the seismic spike evidence:<br><br>FACT: "There is no scientific basis for the conclusion that explosions brought down the towers," Lerner-Lam tells PM. "That representation of our work is categorically incorrect and not in context."<br><br>The report issued by Lamont-Doherty includes various graphs showing the seismic readings produced by the planes crashing into the two towers as well as the later collapse of both buildings. chooses to display only one graph (Graph 1), which shows the readings over a 30-minute time span.<br><br>On that graph, the 8- and 10-second collapses appear--misleadingly--as a pair of sudden spikes. Lamont-Doherty's 40-second plot of the same data (Graph 2) gives a much more detailed picture: The seismic waves--blue for the South Tower, red for the North Tower--start small and then escalate as the buildings rumble to the ground. Translation: no bombs.<br><br>***********<br>The above 'proof' by PM doesn't really make sense IMO. How is a 40-second graph 'more' accurate than a 30-minute graph? I guess it all boils down to the critical time the spikes were recorded re: when the towers actually collapsed. There appears to be enough 'wriggle room' here for 'experts' to argue the conclusion. As pointed out in other articles, the PM's bias is more-then-evident in the strawman arguments they selected to disprove, and most notably in the compelling evidence that contradicts the official explanation which they ignored. PM's credibility on the issue of what actually happened on 911 has been shown to be greatly suspect.<br><br>Their explanation of how and why WTC 7 fell is really a load of bunkum salesmanship.<br><br>Starman<br><!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rolleyes --><img src= ALT=":rolleyes"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>

Re: re: evidence of controlled demolition re: seismic spikes

PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 3:17 pm
by Seventhsonjr
Hi Folks -<br><br>since I have been banned at DU (and was recently briefly banned at but was unbbanned after contacting bob fertik through my good media contacts)<br>-set up by extremists on the right who bad jacket me at every turn whenever I post effective info --- I wanted to say here that my MSM contacts are interested in this story but want and need more verification/sources.<br><br>Please use this forum and this thread to post whatever we can find.<br><br>I am quite ill, suffering with a terrible bout of sciatica, and sitting at the computer googling these stories hurts like hell (plus I am trying to move so I am laid up a LOT).<br><br>So anything we can dig up I will pass along.<br><br>I know high up folks in the media (not the right wing media or right wing reporters/collaborators) who will at least look at the evidence.<br><br>One contact advised me to stay OFF this story as it is too dangerous but I must quote Lion Feuchtwanger (the German Jewish Writer who was considered by Hitler his most wanted enemy of the state) <br><br>If not us, then whom?<br><br>If not now, when?<br><br>Primo Levy used it too before his untimely death (and I am convinced THAT was no suicide either).<br><br>Peace ALL.<br><br>Seventhson<br><br>help me on this folks.<br><br>Links, documentation, articles from verifiable sources.<br><br>I will pass them along and they will make it to the news...<br><br>Thank you...<br><br><br>Now I must duck and cover... <p></p><i></i>

re: 911/WTC 'evidence'

PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 6:38 pm
by Starman
7th son:<br><br>"I know high up folks in the media (not the right wing media or right wing reporters/collaborators) who will at least look at the evidence."<br><br>C'mON! That's just too wierd for words -- Where have these so-called journalists BEEN -- out of contact, on vacation for the past four years? There are dozens of top websites and several dozen top researchers who have extensively documented the Boesing 757-size holes in the 'official' 911 theory -- the virtual black-hole on MSM coverage of flaws and official cover-up, from misleading WH statements to the 911 Commission whitewash and Norad's conveniently-shifting timeline, is a noteable place to begin. The evidence laid-out by authors Griffin and Ruppert are also excellant places to begin. Besides, what journalist worth the name wouldn't know to begin with primary sources, especially re: published mainstream media news articles that contradict the official version of what happened that terrible day?<br><br>I mean, who's pullin' whose leg here?<br>It sounds like these 'contacts' are stringin' you along for some reason -- their promise to look at the evidence just doesn't make sense. What are they waiting for, an invitation to remote-control central?<br><br>Sorry, but my RI buzzer's ringing.<br>Besides, the biggest information block on truth is controlled by the media editors and gatekeeper managers (as we've seen.) They have their own agenda pandering to the status-quo, not subject to their publishing of checkable facts.<br>Starman <p></p><i></i>

These are on the left but not too far left

PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 8:05 pm
by Seventhson
The propaganda against any "nuts" who promote theories like these makes many journalists wary of touching it and their editors wary of publishing or promoting these stories withour hard facts that are triply verifiable.<br><br>I was asking for your help so I could pass the info along to some folks with influence who will listen.<br><br>But denial and psychic numbing by many Americans and American journalists is very hard to overcome.<br><br>You have to spoonfeed them hard cold facts before they will swallow any of it.<br><br>It's the brainwashing and the fear and the denial.<br><br>If you have no interest in helping me and America and the world by giving me some links or solid stories to pass along to some very busy folks who DO have some influence (but very little time) then so be it. But if you want to help - I will pass these things along to them if they are solid etc.<br><br>Some sources are bananas and disinformation too.<br><br>So they have to be checked out.<br><br>But the reason I made this appeal to you and others here (but especially you) is that you seem to have a damn good working knowledge of the facts and sources.<br><br>THAT will help me and help get MORE media coverage.<br><br>So there ya go...<br><br><br>(PS - Any questions about my bona fides and you can ask Jeff Wells. He can't reveal my name but he will verify that I am not a crank or a spook and that I am for real and motivated by a search for truth and justice.<br><br>Salaam/Shalom etc. <p></p><i></i>

PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 11:48 pm
by MinM
Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe |
A back-scattered electron (BSE) image featured in the newly published paper.

Formally published in a peer-reviewed Chemical Physics journal, today:

“Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe” by Niels H. Harrit, Jeffrey Farrer, Steven E. Jones, Kevin R. Ryan, Frank M. Legge, Daniel Farnsworth, Gregg Roberts, James R. Gourley and Bradley R. Larsen

The paper ends with this sentence: “Based on these observations, we conclude that the red layer of the red/gray chips we have discovered in the WTC dust is active, unreacted thermitic material, incorporating nanotechnology, and is a highly energetic pyrotechnic or explosive material.”

In short, the paper explodes the official story that “no evidence” exists for explosive/pyrotechnic materials in the WTC buildings...

Covert History: Controlled demolition after all?
I have always been skeptical of claims that the two World Trade Center Towers and Building 7 were brought down by controlled demolition. But this story tells of a new scientific study that suggests just that. Nine scientists find active 'super-thermite' in WTC dust.

The Raw Story | Study: 'highly engineered explosive' found in WTC rubble
A team of nine scientists have unearthed startling data from dust gathered in the days and weeks after the World Trade Center towers collapsed on 9/11. They discovered that scattered throughout the dust samples were red and gray chips of 'active thermitic material', or an un-reacted pyrotechnic explosive.

The full study in The Open Chemical Physics Journal can be found here:

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Remember that NIST report? NIST officials involved with nano-thermites (Dial-up Warning) - Democratic Underground

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Liberal Denial?

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 8:30 am
by Lord Balto
What's really beginning to bother me is how some so-called liberals have decided that the 911 truth movement is somehow a rightwing creation, despite the major suspects being neocons. I have to wonder if it has something to do with the notion that the Mossad was involved. Bill Weinberg virtually came right out and said as much on his Moorish Orthodox Radio Crusade show on WBAI. This is apparently another strain of the liberal notion that all of those assassinations in the 60s were somehow not related, despite the general left-leaning character of the victims. Even Obama, with all of his smarts, seems to be living in this same little liberal dreamworld where the left and the right just agree to disagree and no one on the right goes outside the box and starts shooting. This is a dangerous and self-destructive attitude.

Re: Powerful/conclusive evidence of controlled demolition (W

PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 9:46 am
by MinM
It would seem that building demolition is a tried and true modus operandi...
Terrorism Wins A Homeland

9/11InvestigationVids has uploaded an interesting 3 part video of British news clips describing the terrorism in the taking over of Palestine in 1948. "MovieTone" newsreels. Reporting when there was not quite as much control of the media as it is today.

"The terrorist campaign succeeds in its purpose, reinforcing its political usefulness and effectiveness. The nation of Israel is born in racist terror and religious bloodshed. All major modern terrorism leads back to Jerusalem.

Following World War 2 in Palestine, against the British Mandate of Palestine, the Zionist militant terrorist group the Irgun carried out sixty terrorist attacks. Kidnappings, building demolitions, assassination of UN Peace negotiators, US consulate attacks, train station bombings, gun running, and bombing police stations. All the hallmarks of modern terrorism, they invented the genre." (more commentary at the videos) ... eland.html


Re: Powerful/conclusive evidence of controlled demolition (W

PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 2:43 pm
by Lord Balto
MinM wrote:It would seem that building demolition is a tried and true modus operandi...
Terrorism Wins A Homeland

9/11InvestigationVids has uploaded an interesting 3 part video of British news clips describing the terrorism in the taking over of Palestine in 1948. "MovieTone" newsreels. Reporting when there was not quite as much control of the media as it is today.

"The terrorist campaign succeeds in its purpose, reinforcing its political usefulness and effectiveness. The nation of Israel is born in racist terror and religious bloodshed. All major modern terrorism leads back to Jerusalem.

Following World War 2 in Palestine, against the British Mandate of Palestine, the Zionist militant terrorist group the Irgun carried out sixty terrorist attacks. Kidnappings, building demolitions, assassination of UN Peace negotiators, US consulate attacks, train station bombings, gun running, and bombing police stations. All the hallmarks of modern terrorism, they invented the genre." (more commentary at the videos)

I should point out that this campaign for independence was not "state sponsored terrorism," as the original blog post suggests, any more than the American revolutionaries hiding behind trees and killing redcoats in New York State was "state sponsored terrorism." I just love the double standard where Jews/Hebrews/Israelis are concerned. 9/11 was carried out by employees of the United States government, not the Israeli branch of the Keystone Cops. Get over it.