Evidence That a Frozen Fish Didn't Impact the Pentagon

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Re: Frozen Fish, Pentagon and Above Top Secret.com

Postby Dreams End » Thu Mar 23, 2006 3:14 pm

I thought there were already allegations out there that one of them had also trained on a military base. <br><br>Why is it hard to train a "muslim" pilot in secret? I don't understand that objection. But anyway, the theory doesn't mean it has to be them. The MC part just explains why they'd be willing to suicide themselves. <br><br>True fanatics might be willing without MC of course, but their behavior didn't seem too religious to me in the days leading up to 9/11. Bars, live-in girlfriends, etc. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Frozen Fish, Pentagon and Above Top Secret.com

Postby NewKid » Thu Mar 23, 2006 3:24 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I thought there were already allegations out there that one of them had also trained on a military base. <br><br>Why is it hard to train a "muslim" pilot in secret? I don't understand that objection. But anyway, the theory doesn't mean it has to be them. The MC part just explains why they'd be willing to suicide themselves. <br><br>True fanatics might be willing without MC of course, but their behavior didn't seem too religious to me in the days leading up to 9/11. Bars, live-in girlfriends, etc. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>There are those stories, but the official story I think says that isn't the right guy, but I can't recall. The problem with the hijackers is that nobody is sure who any of these guys are. Their families say that's it's not them. You have multiple Attas. You have him coming into the country and getting noticed in a fantastically bizarre manner at the Dept. of Ag. asking for a loan, all before he's supposed to have entered the country. You have all of these guys getting noticed doing these ridiculous stunts openly talking about flying planes into buildings and stuff totally out of nowhere. It's like somebody told them to go do that and they got a bit carried away. Take a look at the dept of ag story in the air defenses thread or on cooperative research. It's so fucked up. <br><br>But the main problem I have with it, is they'd need to train a whole lot with the types of planes they were using and get really really good, and practice under life and death stress. Not just anyone qualifies. and these guys don't cut the mustard from everything that's out there. It's one of the reasons why I think remote control is so much simpler. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Frozen Fish, Pentagon and Above Top Secret.com

Postby Dreams End » Thu Mar 23, 2006 3:40 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I think remote control is so much simpler.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I have no idea how easy it is to install remotes on jetliners. The Lone Gunmen stopped them the first time, after all! <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Frozen Fish, Pentagon and Above Top Secret.com

Postby NewKid » Thu Mar 23, 2006 4:01 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I have no idea how easy it is to install remotes on jetliners. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Iroquois talked about it a little in the air defenses thread. I really have no idea either. But I don't think it'd be a problem. Remember from Northwoods 40 + years ago, they were going to get fake MIGS and stuff. Installing something on a commercial plane is probably something they could work with.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>The Lone Gunmen stopped them the first time, after all! <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Where have you gone Dean Hoaglund? He did an interview with Alex Jones that's kind of interesting where they talk abou the show and some other stuff. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Frozen Fish, Pentagon and Above Top Secret.com

Postby Dreams End » Thu Mar 23, 2006 9:03 pm

They'd still need planes, obviously. And why have two real planes and an elaborately staged dump and replace for the third? <br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Frozen Fish, Pentagon and Above Top Secret.com

Postby NewKid » Fri Mar 24, 2006 1:36 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>They'd still need planes, obviously. And why have two real planes and an elaborately staged dump and replace for the third? <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I wouldn't think you'd want to unless something went wrong with flight 77. Perhaps not the only reason, but I think if it wasn't flight 77, then it was some sort of plan B that was implemented. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Frozen Fish, Pentagon and Above Top Secret.com

Postby apeguia » Fri Mar 24, 2006 12:44 pm

Hi Dreams End. <br><br>I find it kind of strange that given the fact that the 'Frozen Fish' article makes no mention of anything paranormal or spiritual, but rather builds arguments on the available evidence, you accuse the authors of being a "cult". If I remember correctly from my philosophy course, that is the 'ad hominem' manouver, i.e. don't attack the arguments, but the person sustaining the arguments. Did you actually read the article? Here it is, if you haven't already:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://abovetopsecret.narod.ru/Above_Top_Secret_article.htm">abovetopsecret.narod.ru/A...rticle.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>The "cult" claims were not the subject of discussion of this thread, but anyway, if you are honestly interested in the truth about that, at least you should read these two articles before making up your mind:<br><br>Maynerd Most (a pseudonym) AKA "Dr. Strange"<br>New Age Grifter or COINTELPRO?<br>(Note that "Maynerd Most" is a pseudonym for Vincent Bridges, your source of the claims of "cult")<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.cassiopaea.com/archive/most.htm">www.cassiopaea.com/archive/most.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>and:<br><br>How to spot COINTELPRO<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://laura-knight-jadczyk.blogspot.com/2006_01_02_laura-knight-jadczyk_archive.html">laura-knight-jadczyk.blog...chive.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><br>But back to the subject of this thread (i.e. the Pentagon on 9/11 and what happens when you write about it).<br><br>I forgot to mention that the owners of AboveTopSecret.com, who want the 'Frozen Fish' article removed, are being represented by the law firm Morrison & Foerster LLP, which takes care of big corporation stuff (see their website <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.mofo.com/">www.mofo.com/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> ), and has its headquarters at McLean VA. Coincidence or not, that's where the CIA HQs are as well. See:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/editorials/signs20060323_SignsoftheTimesAttackedbyAbovetopsecretcomPsyops.php">signs-of-the-times.org/si...Psyops.php</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Also, it's not like they were actually 'hired' by ATS, since the guy taking care of their case is a Wayne C. Jaeschke, Jr., who at some other point admitted in an e-mail to be one of the writers of the Project SERPO material, a hoax which has been linked to ATS. See more details, if you're interested, over here:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/forum/viewtopic.php?id=751">signs-of-the-times.org/si...php?id=751</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>(for the ATS issue)<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/forum/viewtopic.php?id=523">signs-of-the-times.org/si...php?id=523</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>(for Project SERPO)<br><br>and<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/forum/viewtopic.php?id=523&p=2">signs-of-the-times.org/si...id=523&p=2</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>(part two of Project SERPO)<br><br>Regards,<br><br>A. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Frozen Fish, Pentagon and Above Top Secret.com

Postby thoughtographer » Fri Mar 24, 2006 12:48 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>New Age Grifter or COINTELPRO?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>HAHAHA! Laura Knight-Jadczyk, calling someone else a "New Age Grifter" is pretty hilarious. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Frozen Fish, Pentagon and Above Top Secret.com

Postby Dreams End » Fri Mar 24, 2006 12:56 pm

Sorry, A. But the background of various purveyors of these theories is quite relevant. And if you'll notice, I also provided my own examples of her "scholarship" in her use of materials from Jewish Tribal Review and those theories about how those Jews are oppressed, sure, but only because they are all such assholes. <br><br>So, logically speaking, her scholarship and research skill are called into question here. But more importantly, it speaks to her world view..so that it's clear she gathers evidence to fit the world view and doesnt' fit the world view to the evidence.<br><br>Finally, you failed to respond to my primary point, which is that for anyone wanting this theory to be taken seriously, they should find less easily discredited sources. Let's say Charlie Sheen started quoting her...and the media went to her site and saw all her anti-Semitic, channeled lunacy. So much for credibility.<br><br>Seriously, though, A, please don't give them any money. Oh, and I did read the articles...and believe me, if anyone is COINTELPRO here, it's Laura...and, in fact, a whole host of similar New Age cryptofascist channelers out there. What have you done to us, Shirley MacLaine??????<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Frozen Fish, Pentagon and Above Top Secret.com

Postby thoughtographer » Fri Mar 24, 2006 1:07 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Let's say Charlie Sheen started quoting her...and the media went to her site and saw all her anti-Semitic, channeled lunacy. So much for credibility.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>What's worse is that there are people out there who would be inclined to believe her because they don't know any better. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=thoughtographer>thoughtographer</A> at: 3/24/06 10:07 am<br></i>
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Re: Evidence That a Frozen Fish Didn't Impact the Pentagon

Postby elfismiles » Mon Dec 07, 2015 1:49 am

anyone familiar with alleged video clip?
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Re: Evidence That a Frozen Fish Didn't Impact the Pentagon

Postby guruilla » Mon Dec 07, 2015 2:24 am

That's a weird video & this is a weird thread. What's with the visible formatting? Is the cursor arrow pointing at the frozen fish?
It is a lot easier to fool people than show them how they have been fooled.
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Re: Evidence That a Frozen Fish Didn't Impact the Pentagon

Postby backtoiam » Mon Dec 07, 2015 2:27 am

Anybody with a modicum of comprehensive ability to examine the details of that hole in the side of the Pentagon can ascertain that a jumbo jet did not do that damage to the Pentagon wall.

The place where this discussion goes wrong in forums is that certain people will attempt to equate this fact with the "no planes" at the twin towers meme which I am not addressing with this comment. Not at all.

But if a plane slams into a building it should have wings so that the plane can fly into the building. Those wings didn't leave wing damage cut marks in the building wall of the Pentagon.

The theory given for this obvious fact was that somehow the plane suddenly disintegrated into dust on impact and the wings didn't attempt to cut the building.

I won't even engage in a discussion on this any further but five year olds know that hard surfaces at high speed leave impact damage in a pattern similar to the surfaces impacted.

JFK got popped in broad daylight in public and that deal never got paid for and neither will this so I'm not gonna waste my brain cells on it.

I am not saying its not worthy of discussion because it certainly is of course. But that is my two cents on the deal and I probably won't do anymore. The pieces of the "jumbo jet" scattered in the Pentagon lawn were a joke in my opinion.

Same with Shanksville. When a coroner tells you he ceased to be a coroner when he arrived on the scene of a death and didn't have anything to do that sort of says something.

Twin towers is a different scenario and I am not even referring to those with this comment. And I won't.
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Re: Evidence That a Frozen Fish Didn't Impact the Pentagon

Postby elfismiles » Mon Dec 07, 2015 10:36 am

guruilla » 07 Dec 2015 06:24 wrote:That's a weird video & this is a weird thread. What's with the visible formatting? Is the cursor arrow pointing at the frozen fish?


Hi guruilla - yeah it's a weird one alright. I saw the gif posted on facebook last night and found it interesting as I don't recall ever seeing anything like it before. The cursor is likely the result of this being a case of someone doing a screen capture of the video instead of just the actual video itself. And the fact that the image/video is reversed is also very weird. So, NO <grin>, the cursor isn't pointing to the "Fish" in this thread's namesake ... I searched RI for threads with PENTAGON and MISSILE in them to find a place to post this ... this was one of the earliest threads (there are a shit-ton of threads) so I chose this one becuz its old and had a funny title.

When I posted this last night I was doing so (and doing my reverse image searching) via mobile device so am trying again to ascertain its origins. Much easier to do on a desktop pc.

Here is a 2011 video that reports on this video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cFewUG3rSY

AHA! Here is a clearer version (pre-reversal) circa 2006 ... definitely looks fake to me.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Vnu_yiUzls

Uploaded on 18 May 2006

this should put to rest all the conspiracy theorists and fake mongerers. someone has updated and enhanced it as well here
panjea.com/video/file/747/


This is one of those vids that re-circulates / gets rehashed every few years. Here is VeteransToday's Gordun Duff (DuffMan!) posting it in 2011:

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/08/29 ... on-leaked/

This 911 site debunks it:

DISINFO: Video of a “Missile” hitting the Pentagon
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https://kendoc911.wordpress.com/911disi ... -pentagon/

[youtube]O4hmZUxabLw&[/youtube]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4hmZUxabLw&

Published on 7 Apr 2013

This is a 1960 aerial view of the Pentagon building and is copyrighted footage by BlackLight Films - Louie Schwartzberg. You can find copies on www.gettyimages.com
Here is the links for the 9/11 Disinfo Agents are spreading the Fake "Missile Hit The Pentagon" Video on YouTube.

stacyphx

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIWwXm...

osiris6669

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YphhhR...

Andy Rogers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cFewU...

OutcastUNO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkkHrt...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRnToT...


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Re: Evidence That a Frozen Fish Didn't Impact the Pentagon

Postby elfismiles » Mon Dec 07, 2015 10:38 am

As with most of the 911-Truth-Gospel ... I'm still on the fence, even after all these years.

backtoiam » 07 Dec 2015 06:27 wrote:Anybody with a modicum of comprehensive ability to examine the details of that hole in the side of the Pentagon can ascertain that a jumbo jet did not do that damage to the Pentagon wall.
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