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by **Hugh Manatee Wins** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 1:46 am

Popular Mechanics is about to publish a book expanding on their 'debunking' of controlled demolition of the Twin Towers with a forward by Sen. John McCain. Their website: <a href="http://www.popularmechanics.com/blog/911mythsblog">www.popularmechanics.com/...1mythsblog</a> Senator John McCain has a two-page essay in the September 2006 issue of Popular Mechanics now on newsstands wherein he declares that 9/11 "conspiracy theorists" are wacky conpiranoids who don't look at science or facts and are "hurting the nation" and even "disrespecting those who lost their lives and the fireman and policemen who tried to rescue them." Even worse, McCain declares that The Lone Gunman Named Oswald robbed this country of a president. Lie for the country, dammit! If you love her, John, lie! <img src="http://media.popularmechanics.com/images/11148562-sm.jpg" style="border:0;"/>

by **FourthBase** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 1:51 am

I fucking hate debunkers. But I'm also getting sick of CD and no plane theories. Ugh.

by **Hugh Manatee Wins** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 2:31 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>But I'm also getting sick of CD and no plane theories.<hr></blockquote> FB, are you saying that controlled demolition is a diversion or not worth pursuing? Jeff has said he thinks CD is a losing path of inquiry recently so I'm curious how many embrace CD here at RI and how many say 'don't bother barking up that tree'.

by **darkbeforedawn** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 2:46 am

I can see Jeff's point, even though I personally found cd quite convincing. There are many other avenues to reach the same conclusion--avenues that don't cause such endless digressions and psuedo science. Face it: very few people have science backgrounds and those who do are really lost in the paradigm the media has created for the most part. Put options, the money trail, the lies and subterfuge of the main players etc etc are really beyond question. Also the lack of an investigation and the stonewalling of even their own committee by the Bush ad is solid fact as are PNAC and the Northwood papers and the Airforce stand down. Cd is really sexy though.

by **Et in Arcadia ego** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 2:52 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Cd is really sexy though.<hr></blockquote> Not to mention effective. Just look how easy those buildings came down.. ____________________ Some are born to sweet delight, some are born to endless night.

by **SpamDestroyer001** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 2:59 am

McCain is simply playing along with the ignornance game. There's not much else to say about that...

by **FourthBase** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 3:05 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>FB, are you saying that controlled demolition is a diversion or not worth pursuing? Jeff has said he thinks CD is a losing path of inquiry recently so I'm curious how many embrace CD here at RI and how many say 'don't bother barking up that tree'.<hr></blockquote> I think it's like somewhere between 20th and 30th on the list of things worth genuinely pursuing. CD re: WTC 1 & 2, anyway -- WTC7 is a different story. But instead, in the general world of 9/11 skepticism it's 1st. It's also 1st (or maybe 2nd, behind no plane theories) on the list of targets for debunkers. CD theorists might perceive that as indicating strength in CD theory, the fact that debunkers focus on it. I think it indicates that it's the easiest target, the fastest way for debunkers to convince the undecided that skeptics are "crazy". I know, I know, eyewitnesses, earwitnesses, fishy circumstances surrounding sprinkler and power maintenance, and the apparent near-freefall speed, etc. It's something that should definitely be considered and further researched -- but not yet pushed as a fact, and not presented as the poster child of 9/11 conspiracy theories. There are far more compelling and revealing facets of 9/11 that ought to come first. I don't know if CD is intentionally used as a diversion/poison pill, or if it's just an unintentional result of inefficient thinking/organization in the political "fringe". I just know I'm fucking sick of it, and I want more publicity for the war games, hijacker military training, thwarted investigations, insider trading, etc.

by **Hugh Manatee Wins** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 3:22 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>I just know I'm fucking sick of it,<hr></blockquote> lol. Fair enough. The only thing worse would be 'getting something new' to talk about.

by **Avalon** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 9:30 am

I have to give them credit, that "smoking gun" image on the cover is brilliant.

by **xsic bastardx** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 11:15 am

Like I have heard so many times before....The Real Conspiracy Thoery is that 19 Unarmed Hijackers got ahold of 4 airplanes and flew them into 75% of thier targets. Oh yeah.....and Steel Skyscrapers fall from Jet Fuel Induced Super Hot Fires........ What's really funny....is that people on here will Jump on the "We didn't land on the Moon Wagon".......... But can't believe that Rogue Elements within this country and others found out and facilitated an Coup(which it was.....) upon the American Government...... But would jump right back on the Government Conspiracy Thoery list with JFK....... Seriously.....none of it makes sense.......the thinking that is To believe something you have to be willing to Admit that whatever you are trying to believe is possible.....That it has some turth or credence in said situation....... So...... Why is it so many on hear can Believe they can Fake the Moon Landing and keep it covered up for 30 years but can't pull off 9/11 Half Assed(which by all accounts is what they did......) Honestly that kind of thought process is the very basis of Double think..... the pendulam can swing this way but when it swings the other way(because every action has an equal and oppisite reaction.....) we choose not to see it and ignore it......... Just like the people who ignore the Cameras all over London cause they are for the "Terrorists".....And that's not them...well....was the guy they shot 7 times in the face while a Cops Knee was in his back a Terrorist?........ I'll be the first to admit that I may be wrong, but my Friends Who Were There have convinced me otherwise, the film footage has convinced me otherwise, the actions of our government have convinced me otherwise, I am sorry friends.....but Denial is not a river in Africa.....

by **HMKGrey** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 10:30 pm

John McCain would make for a very interesting long term study case for any psychology professional. The man is a nut. I honestly think they must have some really dirty shit on him. Probably Lieberman too. Popular Mechanics can kiss my ass.

by **dude h homeslice ix** » Sun Aug 27, 2006 1:34 am

on the tarpley 911 video, he said that "if this is controlled demolition, it is at the upper end of what is possible with conventional explosives" (paraphrased). i thought that was interesting. nonetheless, i beleive in minute 34 of the show, he also mentioned the ambiguity imbedded in video and picture evidence. its a good "gateway drug," to get peoples interest, but then move em on up to the less open to interpretation evidence like the wargames going on that day, etc. to the one who hates debunkers, yeah, im with ya, but wierd thing is, those gunning for 911 truth are also debunkers, no?

by **FourthBase** » Sun Aug 27, 2006 1:38 am

Ehhhh...if they're trying to 100% shut up the CD and no-plane people and end all discussion, then yes they're debunkers. But if it's just "Quiet the fuck down so we can talk about other shit first and not seem batshit crazy to the undecided general public from the get-go, but don't worry we'll get to WTC 1 & 2 CD and Pentagon theories later after more discussion and research", then no, it's not debunking -- it's just urgent tactical advice.

by **phineas** » Sun Aug 27, 2006 2:42 am

Just off the top of my head, here's some more unsourced random flotsam on 9-11, none of which has to do with moonshadows: Strange workers in the towers prior to 9-11, and restricted floors... the un-investigated "put options" on airline stock and massive amounts of money moving in them just hours prior... the Berkshire-Hathaway offices wiped out as Buffett watches at Offutt AFB Strategic Air Command, the Buffett company that trains 90% plus of airline pilots, the Buffett company jet that shadowed the Pennsylvania airliner before it crashed,... yes yes, the 14+ drills happening on 9-11... ... the many investigations by the FBI into Al-Queda shut down by "superiors", the minor details of "Al-Queda'- like the fact that it was started, trained, and funded by the CIA, the CIA meeting with Osama (Tim Osmond) in a hospital just weeks prior to 9-11, Bush and Carlyle dealings with the Bin Ladens, Saudis on one of the first jets allowed up after 9-11- headed home- this after Saudis, not Iraqis, supposedly hijacked the jets, of which many are proven to be still alive in the mideast... ...the jet engine found on the street near the towers that doesn't match the jet that supposedly hit the towers, the pristine hi-jacker passport also "found" on the street, the more than two TRILLION missing from US accounts announced by Rumsfeld on 9-10, no WMD found, the fact that Saddam was installed by the CIA... ...the many confiscated videos around the Pentagon seized, never to be seen again... the hole there that doesn't match the jet that supposedly hit it, and the untouched grass in front of the hole... the convenient remodeling going on where the "airliner" hit... ...the Odigo messages and the "Dancing Israelis", certain Govt. officials warned not to fly, the "hijackers" trained by "Ex-CIA" in Florida, some trained right on US AF Bases, "Controlled Demolition Company" contracted to remove the rubble and send it to the other side of the planet... ...the "Patriot Act" compiled before 9-11, and passed by the Senate without them even reading it... etc....... and thousands dead and billions stolen... THAT seems like disrespect to me, McCain... Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=phineas@rigorousintuition>phineas</A> at: 8/27/06 1:26 am

by **IanEye** » Sun Aug 27, 2006 11:02 am

Whenever I'm in a group of people who start talking about 9/11 and the WTC Towers, the topic of Controlled Demo will come up eventually. The pro and cons of the theory get polarized very quickly. I always try to interject with the following statement, "If you accept as fact that in 1993 security was breached at the WTC and Islamic Fundamentalists were able to plant explosives inside the towers and detonate them, then that sets a precedent. Therefore to merely consider the idea that explosives were planted in 2001 isn't irrational". This usually calms things down a bit because: the pro CD people like the vaildation that they are not crazy the anti CD people usually feel comfortable acknowledging terrorist acts in the "Age of Clinton" Then, if people will oblige me I go a little further and talk about the primary goal of terrorism as a form of mind control. When the PLO would have a bomber board a bus in Israel and blow it up, the primary goal wasn't the 13 people killed and the 28 wounded. The success of the mission was in how many hundreds [or thousands] of Isrealites were freaked out about riding the bus the next day. BUT, I read an interview with Yasser Arafat [interviewer was Oriana Fallaci I believe] where he talked about one time they had three bombers on a bus, but the Isreali press kept saying it was just one lone female bomber. At first he was upset because this wasn't accurate, but then he realized the Isreali version was MORE terrifying and thus, even more of a success. The point being that the actual TRUTH of how the bus exploded was much less important than the Public's IMPRESSION of how the bus exploded. It seems to me that the crux of 9/11 as an act of terrorist THEATER is the second plane crash. The one thousands [millions?] of people saw live on tv. For those that argue that jet fuel alone brought down the first tower hit, I just let them make the argument and then concede that to them. Because every tenet of their argument stands in the way of why the second tower hit falls [and falls first]. The way I see it, the planners of 9/11 HAD to have that giant fireball of the second plane crash, that is what sears the event into the Public's imagination. But the giant fireball uses up a large amount of the fuel in the plane, thus the logic of their argument about the first tower [a full plane's worth of jet fuel can make a building fall] is not logically applicable to the second tower hit. The primary goal is to have the Public believe that the relatively simple act of flying a plane into a skyscraper makes the skyscraper fall down. The modern accomplishments of Society are used against it, very Scary oooohhhh. As long as the public buys this, it doesn't matter to the Producer and the Director and the Stage Manager if they need to invest in further endevours to weaken the building's structure in order for the building to actually fall down. In a way, it is kind of like the Loaves & Fishes story, the miracle occurs because everyone WANTS it to occur, thus they put their individual greed aside and don't take a big hunk of the bread so that by the time the bread and fish has been passed around there is still plenty left. The masses want to buy into the act of Theater. The big fireball is impressive [ooh ahh] so an individual willingly ingores the fact that the plane has shot it's load at that point and doesn't have enough mojo left to bring the building down on it's own [and again, the second tower hit falls first, wow! magic!!]. Sorry to go on and on about this. I guess the point I am trying to make is that when in a group I simply say that there is a bona fide precedent for the security of the WTC being breached and to leave open the mere possibilty of CD is in no way crazy or irrational, in fact, as an act of theater, CD is a wise investment in bringing about a successful act of mind control.

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CD....Worth it or Not?

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