Prof. Steven Jones' updated thermate@WTC paper out now.

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Prof. Steven Jones' updated thermate@WTC paper out now.

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Mon Sep 11, 2006 2:47 am

Download this and send it to everyone you can.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>BYU Physics professor Steven Jones has updated his paper on controlled demolition of the World Trade Center towers and it is here as a 48 page pdf file:</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/WhyIndeedDidtheWorldTradeCenterBuildingsCompletelyCollapse.pdf">www.scholarsfor911truth.o...llapse.pdf</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Updated Version: Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Collapse?<br>by Steven E. Jones, Ph.D. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Prof. Steven Jones' updated thermate@WTC paper out now.

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:02 am

Also from Scholars for 9/11 Truth, here is an html page with photos making the case for controlled demolition of the WTC put together by Gordon Ross:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.st911.org/">www.st911.org/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>How the Towers were Demolished<br>Gordon Ross<br><br>>snip<<br><br>I intend to show that the demolition was achieved by means of a process which involved four distinct phases. These were as follows;<br><br> + Phase one weakened the structure by attacking the central core structure, disassociating the entire structure at a level below that of the impact [Plane 1]<br><br> + Phase two initiated the collapse of the perimeter structure by attacking the four corners of the towers on two storeys. [ Plane 2 and Plane 3 ]<br><br> + Phase three progressed the collapse by disassociating the floor to perimeter column connections and two vertical lines of spandrel plates at each tower corner, and by continued attacks upon the corners as in phase 2.<br><br> + Phase four completed the collapse by attacking the remaining central core structure at lower levels and disassociating the horizontal bracing.<br><br>Evidence used<br> I will include in this report, representative photographs and screen captures of the various phenomena witnessed and in an appendix [to be added], I will include other examples. The visual evidence is freely available on the Internet and in some cases I have included a reference to the original source. There are others where I have not, as yet, given credit to the person responsible, in particular for those photographs with added graphics. I would like to publicly acknowledge their work now and will give further details if the persons so wish and e-mail some details.<br> <br>The phenomena which I intend to include in my narrative will include the following;<br> <br> + Survival of the lower core structure until an advanced stage of the collapse.<br> + Survival of the corners of the perimeter structure after the collapse front has passed.<br> + Inward bowing of the perimeter walls.<br> + Sagging of floors<br> + Tilting movement of the upper section.<br> + Bending of upper section<br> + Early disintegration of upper section<br> + Early downward movement of the antennae.<br> + Ejections of dust & debris simultaneously across whole floors.<br> + Behaviour of the "spire"<br> + Flashes of light<br> + Colour and character changes of smoke emisions<br> + Molten metal ejections<br> + Failure of core structure horizontal bracing<br> + Angle cut core columns<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://gordonssite.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/.pond/spire_hi-res.jpg.w560h747.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://gordonssite.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/.pond/d5.jpg.w300h245.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=hughmanateewins>Hugh Manatee Wins</A> at: 9/11/06 1:02 am<br></i>
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Re: Prof. Steven Jones' updated thermate@WTC paper out now.

Postby isachar » Mon Sep 11, 2006 11:32 am

Game, set, match. This latest version of Jones' paper is vastly improved from his earlier versions.<br><br>I'm very glad to note that, similar to my own reading of the NIST report, he also concludes that NIST essentially 'tweaked' their inputs until their computer simulations gave them the desired result (e.g., that collapse would occur with temps of about 1,000 C). These tweaked results are all that supports NIST's fire-induced collapse theory. But NIST's analysis of the actual steel members recovered from the WTC supports temps of only about 600 C.<br><br>So, what does NIST do? They present their tweaked simulation as being the explanation and throw out the physical evidence.<br><br>I've seen this type of fraud used by 'scientists' in other matters. Just run the model, adjusting the inputs as needed, to obtain the results you want and then declare the input values as being real. Yeah, nice work if you can get it, and in my experience this type of backwards reasoning is the signature of scientific FRAUD.<br><br>The fact that they stopped their 'investigation' at the moment of collapse only confirms they have dirty hands since what happened AFTER the moment of collapse is just as if not MORE important as what happened prior to that moment. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=isachar>isachar</A> at: 9/11/06 12:49 pm<br></i>
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Watch the pretty lights

Postby vigilantwarrior » Mon Sep 11, 2006 2:29 pm

Yes, I think Ross has it nailed. I would pay to see the Pop Mechanics crew "debunk" his essays on momentum transfer and the demolition sequence.<br><br>Btw, if you want to email an eye-opener to anyone, try this little doozy (Ross includes it in "Phase 4"):<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.911Eyewitness.com/truth/downloads/spirefinish.wmv">www.911Eyewitness.com/tru...finish.wmv</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Transformers, anyone? Anyone? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Watch the pretty lights

Postby dugoboy » Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:42 pm

hmm kinda funny they fire the guy days before this is released. <p>___________________________________________<br>"BUSHCO aren't incompetent...they are COMPLICIT." -Me<br><br>"Speaking the Truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act" -George Orwell<br><br>"When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it - always."-Mahatma Gandhi</p><i></i>
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Re: Watch the pretty lights

Postby isachar » Tue Sep 12, 2006 12:42 am

For those interested in discovering just how the card trick works, please pay close attention to number 12 in Jones' revised version of his WTC study. This point alone should be all that is necessary to expose NIST's fraud.<br><br>They simply re-ran (iterated) their computer model until their inputs resulted in interior temperatures that obtained the desire result - simulated failure of the steel. They then concluded that it was fire that caused the collapse. This conclusion was made without considering ANY form of assisted/facilitated collapse.<br><br>And, as Jones correctly notes, the NIST analysis ENDS at this precise moment. Since their simulation produced a singular failure, they did not then go on to examine any progression of this collapse, such as how it could have caused pancaking and the utter failure and disintegration of the massive core which was designed to have a redundancy factor of 2x - 3x (sorry, can't remember which it was), the disintegration of the large block of 20-30 of the upper stories on the South Tower which fell away from the remainder of the structure and its subsequent dis-integration in mid-air, and the resultant un-weighting of the stresses on the remaining load bearing structures below this point of separation.<br><br>NIST has no curiousity about the structure's behavior AFTER the moment of collapse. None at all. This is astrounding, given that their charter was to examine the collapse for the express purpose of enhancing building performance characteristics and safety! <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=isachar>isachar</A> at: 9/11/06 10:48 pm<br></i>
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Please take a sec and send these folks at BYU a message?

Postby darkbeforedawn » Tue Sep 12, 2006 2:59 pm

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Re: Please take a sec and send these folks at BYU a message?

Postby stickdog99 » Tue Sep 12, 2006 8:52 pm

What NIST's own examination of the physical evidence revealed:<br><br>1) No WTC-7 steel was recovered or analyzed.<br><br>2) No unprocessed, intact floor trusses were recovered or analyzed.<br><br>3) No testing for explosives (or sulfidation or other residue of any kind) was performed.<br><br>4) Only 12 total core columns were recovered from WTC-1 & WTC-2 combined.<br><br>5) Of the recovered core pieces, none showed exposure to temperatures in excess of 250 C.<br><br>6) Of 170 examined areas on the perimeter column panels, only three showed exposure to temperatures in excess of 250 C and for one of these three forensic evidence indicated that the high temperature exposure occurred AFTER the collapse.<br><br>7) No recovered steel showed any evidence of exposure to temperatures above 600 C for any significant time.<br><br>Full excerpts of report here:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x45315">www.democraticunderground...=125x45315</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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