Garrison Keillor mentions "9/11 conspiracy theory"

by **Hugh Manatee Wins** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 10:17 pm

On yesterday's Prairie Home Companion NPR radio show Garrison Keillor mentioned 9/11 conspiracy theory in his humorous homespun 'News from Lake Woebegone' segment. The show was being broadcast from Missoula, Montana. An angrily disappointed friend gave me a heads up on it and I heard the rerun today. Sounded to me like Keillor's on-air warning to Dems not to go there because too many people won't believe it for a second. In his fictional narrative Keillor told of an interesting guy named Al who was kinda crazy and absolutely convinced of a grand conspiracy that demolished the Word Trade Center's Twin Towers by "pouring explosive materials in the plumbing system." Al carries around charts and graphs and photos where you can see the squirts of dust and harangues anyone who'll listen until "someone peels him off." Then Keillor tells a funny story of things Al's crazy grandfather got suckered by and concluded "that's where Al comes from." Then Keillor spun a narrative of a man in town with a family bank and a "socialist daughter back east teaching feminist economics" (audience laughs at the word 'socialist' and even harder at 'feminist economics') who he wanted to get married and come home to "save the family bank." So the match-maker-minded father is looking around at the men down at the local Chatter Box Cafe for a suitable husband for his wayward daughter and takes a look at Al. But as soon as Al pulls out his charts and graphs to show the conspiracy that brought down the WTC all the men in the cafe turn away and the hopeful father stops looking at Al as a potential suiter. Ha ha. Silly Al. "And that's the news from Lake Woebegone where all the women are strong, the men are good-looking, and the children are above average." After I heard this I called my angry friend back to say that this was Democrat Garrison Keillor's steganographic message over the air to us that the so-called Heartland-ers are going to be utterly repelled by the 9/11 truth movement so don't go there, just decry the torture and war and looting and etc. This is also the tack Oliver Stone recently took and I expect to hear it more as the 9/11 truth movement grows. on edit: Due to bvonahsen's apparent belief that by "steganographic message over the air to us" that I meant to 'my friend and me' personally, let me add that OBVIOUSLY "over the air to us" meant to ALL LISTENERS. Notice I wrote "Sounded to me like Keillor's on-air warning to Dems..." Sorry, bvonahsen. You probably overlooked this. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=hughmanateewins>Hugh Manatee Wins</A> at: 10/1/06 9:26 pm

by **marykmusic** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 10:34 pm

I don't know about the plumbing-system theory, but seems Garrison should have advanced his pet theory about it being done by the pterodactyls. --MaryK

by **bvonahsen** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 10:36 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>his steganographic message over the air to us <hr></blockquote> The belief in personal messages to you beamed over the airwaves is a big red flag of paranoia. I heard the broadcast too, there was no such "steganographic message". Garrison was just doing what writers do, sketching out a character of a certain type. The paranoid conspiracy theory type who latches onto the most feeble evidence and sees or hears personal messages over the airwaves. Who then alienates those around him. Garrison is not sending you any messages hun. This is vastly different than weighing evidence and claims against one another and attempting to come to logical conclusions (and if that implies a conspiracy then so be it). One is how we learn about the world around us, the other is at the very least a delusional thought process if not a full blown mental illness.

by **Hugh Manatee Wins** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 10:56 pm

Hey, bvonahsen.Your previous posts were more perceptive than this. I hope this was a momentary slip of perspective such as we all have time to time. Please read more carefully before calling me a paranoid kook, ok? I didn't write that this was a "personal message to me." Are you intentionally missing my point that I thought he was probably sending it out to Dems who listen to his show? Keillor writes on politics and slips it into his show, too. Have you read his book 'Homegrown Democrat?' He did speak out against torture on his show to much applause and he puts lots of little political quips in his comedy sketches. Then he won't for a long time. So when he mentions "9/11 conspiracy kooks" it ain't for nothin.' There's a reason and I gave a rational analysis of what it might be. And as for your mentioning "The paranoid conspiracy theory type who latches onto the most feeble evidence," that would apply to those who uncritically buy the bin-Laden's Bandits Done It narrative that has been refuted by the laws of physics and metallurgical analysis of physical evidence and dozens of other things. Don't forget that the FBI says it has no evidence tying bin Laden to 9/11. Those kooky guys. Just like Keillor's kooky Al. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=hughmanateewins>Hugh Manatee Wins</A> at: 10/1/06 9:09 pm

by **bvonahsen** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 1:40 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Please read more carefully before calling me a paranoid kook, ok?<hr></blockquote> Why do you judge yourself like that? I don't. But I do think you might be paranoid. Many of your theories fit the definition. You ascribe abilities and powers to people and organizations that they simply do not have. I simply do not judge those with a mental illness. I truely believe that it is nothing to be ashamed of. It simply "is", like having a cold or the flu simply "is". And of course, I suffer from depression myself and frankly, most people in this world suffer from a mental disorder of one type or another. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>I didn't write that this was a "personal message to me." Are you intentionally missing my point that I thought he was probably sending it out to Dems who listen to his show? <hr></blockquote> No, I heard you correctly, I just don't think there is a great deal of difference between the two. Both are symptoms of paranoia. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>that would apply to those who uncritically buy the bin-Laden's Bandits Done It narrative that has been refuted by the laws of physics and metallurgical analysis of physical evidence and dozens of other things.<hr></blockquote> Not really, it has not been "refuted" quite as you say. Not even Jeff believes in the controled demolition narrative. I find the dunkers to be quite convincing especially when they debunk the Loose Change version. At the same time, I don't believe the governments version either. Frankly, I don't think we'll never know the truth. I am pretty disappointed with this place lately. I thought at first there would be an effort to walk the fine line between rationalism and intuition. What I see of late are delusional and paranoid schizophrenics just running amuck. People seemingly think that every auditory and visual hallucination they have is as real as the chair I sit on. It makes me feel sad. I know because I have had them myself. I've had "waking dreams" or what are called hypnogogic dreams. That is where your mind wakes up but your body is still asleep and your dreams intrude into your consciousness. Most supposed abductions are of this sort. The rest are induced through the power of suggestion by one's therapist or hypnotherapist. Ritual abuse is now known to be caused by therapists making suggestions and the patient taking that in and creating an entire peronality around it. If RI is going to walk that line it needs to recognize when it is straying into complete fantasy. I see myself as trying to push back from that mistake.

by **FourthBase** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 1:45 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Ritual abuse is now known to be caused by therapists making suggestions and the patient taking that in and creating an entire peronality around it.<hr></blockquote> Are you fucking joking? <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/indifferent.gif ALT=":|">

by **Hugh Manatee Wins** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 1:57 am

Nevermind, FB. Obviously we can't respond to an advocate of the FSMF. Guess they just hate us for our freedoms.

by **orz** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 5:10 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr> Hey, bvonahsen.Your previous posts were more perceptive than this. I hope this was a momentary slip of perspective such as we all have time to time.<hr></blockquote> I hear 'down the rabbit hole' a lot but here we're thru the looking glass! <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"> Also Hugh I've noticed that often you make a post with a specific claim that is indistinguishable from paranioa, and then when called on it you start saying you were speaking generally, or sidetracking to other examples etc... Possibly you should try and explain yourself more clearly in the opening posts so we don't all have such a <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eek.gif ALT=":eek"> reaction in the first place?

by **heyjt** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 10:52 am

I heard the broadcast also and have a different take. He mentions the "puffs of explosions from controlled demolition" and that "You can look this stuff up on the internet". Sure, he made the guy look like a textbook case of a conspiracy theorist, but he also represented some of the ligetimate questions people have about 911 through the characters voice. If just a few people that listened were inspired to go to the net and google it, it was worth the whole effort. This stuff is becoming lodged in the National pschye just as the JFK hit was.

by **AnnaLivia** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 10:52 am

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by **marykmusic** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 11:42 am

I haven't been in therapy. So where do my memories of RA come from? --MaryK

by **professorpan** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 11:44 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Ritual abuse is now known to be caused by therapists making suggestions and the patient taking that in and creating an entire peronality around it.<hr></blockquote> That is true in some, but not all, cases. But back to Garrison (hmmm... as in "Jim" Garrison? Can't believe you missed that one, Hugh...) Keillor's sketch. Why should it be assumed he is "warning" anyone? He's an entertainer, so I don't find it unusual that he'd use a kooky 9/11 conspiracist as a character on his show. There's certainly no lack of role models for that character... paging Alex Jones. The inclusion of the character illustrates how mainstream 9/11 conspiracy thinking has become. Instead of warning liberals or marginalizing the issue, it could very well serve to promote discussion among the listening audience.

by **Hugh Manatee Wins** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 11:57 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Instead of warning liberals or marginalizing the issue, it could very well serve to promote discussion among the listening audience.<hr></blockquote> Oh, I agree with you PP. He did put the basic outline of MIHOP on a national broadcast that people with the internet would hear with the idea of controlled demolition and squibs, "plumbing" notwithstanding.. There's always a best-case/worst-case scenario and somewhere inbetween for discerning 'what did he mean by that.' And Keillor tells tales that DO mean something, that convey an understanding of the tragi-comic human synthesis of emotions, social norms, and facts.  It was because Keillor (thanks for the Jim Garrison keyword joke) put so much energy into describing other people's reactions and the father looking for a suiter for his daughter that I decided he was probably signaling 'don't go there.'

by **professorpan** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 12:03 pm

While I'm not a huge fan of Prairie Home Companion, I am an admirer of Keillor, particularly his work on the Writer's Alamanac. He has shown himself, over the years, to be a very compassionate, articulate, concerned human being. The idea that he would be inserting a warning about 9/11 theorizing couched in metaphor just doesn't fit his character.

by **bvonahsen** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 12:05 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>That is true in some, but not all, cases. <hr></blockquote> Thank you, and yes, that is what I meant. If I were to put in every conditional and exception my post would have been twice as long. But basically, therapists can unknowingly implant false memories into their patients minds. I know this subject well, there were long flame wars on alt.abuse.recovery over the issue. In the end though it became clear that FSM is a very real phenomenon. It's opponents on that newsgroup utterly refused to accept clear, unambiguous proof that it is true. The same thing happens when people go through hypnotic regression for past lives or alien abductions. In fact, you can do it to youself if your desire to believe is strong enough. If I remember correctly Whitley Strieber has admitted this is possible in his case.

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