Garrison Keillor mentions "9/11 conspiracy theory"

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Re: orz' comment

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Tue Oct 03, 2006 5:43 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>You also implied that a White Zombie CD being on the recommended shelf had sinister implications and was intended to send out a message<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>What, no context, orz? Just like Prof Pan and Sepka.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>When some guy shot up people at a party after a zombie-themed dress up rave, I noted that the NYTimes had a cover article that very same day about Zombie movies 'representing the angst of the times' and that there was new Rob Zombie CD at the front counter (featured there because that placement is payed for) down at Borders. <br><br>I wondered whether this military vet who had also once shot up A STATUE OF A MOOSE had been the victim of hypnotic suggestion the way Sirhan Sirhan was when he was framed for the RFK murder really perpetrated by RFK's body guard Eugene Thane Cesar and covered up by the LAPD.<br><br>So I noted that there were two places where the keyword Zombie was visible the day of the Zombie shooting.<br><br>orz, how about looking into military mind control experiment history and the science of hypnotic suggestion? <br>Not interested? Why not? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Sepka's comments on 'Honest John' missiles.

Postby Sepka » Tue Oct 03, 2006 5:58 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Why are you quibling on exact dates of the 'Honest John' missiles.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>It's hardly a quibble, Hugh. You stated that Honest John was another name for the Minuteman, which is untrue. They're two completely different weapons.<br> <p>-Sepka the Space Weasel</p><i></i>
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Re: Sepka's comments on 'Honest John' missiles.

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Tue Oct 03, 2006 6:13 am

You're right. Honest Johns aren't Minute Men missile. So what?<br><br>The obviousness of WORD-framing was the point, right?<br><br>And, to quibble, the Honest John was in use up to 1965, past the JFK era. Again, so what?<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honest_John">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honest_John</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>In the 1960s <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Sarin nerve gas cluster munitions were also available for Honest John launch.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> [1]<br><br>There were two versions, the MGR-1A and the MGR-1B. <br>.....<br>Production of the MGR-1 and variants <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>finished in 1965 with a total production run of more than 7,000 rockets.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>"Sarin nerve gas cluster munitions." Gosh, that's what we all usually mean when we use the expression "Honest John."<br><br>Again, WORD-framing. Ways to lie with titles and keywords.<br><br>caption of photo below: <br>"Honest John missile warhead cutaway, showing M139 Sarin bomblets (photo circa 1960)"<br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/18/Demonstration_cluster_bomb.jpg/300px-Demonstration_cluster_bomb.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Garrison Keillor mentions "9/11 conspiracy theory&q

Postby terryintacoma » Tue Oct 03, 2006 6:54 am

I listened to the PHC last Saturday. It was his 1st or 2nd show of the new season. I've been a faithful listener for 20+ years.<br><br>Love the joke shows.<br><br>Anyway, I was kinda busy and only half-listening, but when Garrison started talking about the guy with the 9-11 theory I laughed and said to myself, "Way to go Garrison. Get it out there anyway you can." I did notice that he ended that story very abruptly.<br><br>I think your observations in this case are valid and feel you have keen insight Hugh.<br><br>Hope I didn't embarrass you by saying that, me being a newbie and all.<br><br>Keep on keeping on. Terry <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Sepka's comments on 'Honest John' missiles.

Postby Sepka » Tue Oct 03, 2006 7:32 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>You're right. Honest Johns aren't Minute Men missile. So what?<br><br>The obviousness of WORD-framing was the point, right?<br><br>And, to quibble, the Honest John was in use up to 1965, past the JFK era. Again, so what?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>You had to misrepresent the facts to get that "obviousness", though. You were trying to make a point which involved the Minuteman missile being called "Honest John". It wasn't.<br> <p>-Sepka the Space Weasel</p><i></i>
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Re: Sepka's comments on 'Honest John' missiles.

Postby Infernal Optimist » Tue Oct 03, 2006 10:47 am

Ok, quit piling on Hugh. He did us the service of showing us this piece of propaganda from GK:<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Police helicopter pilots, who had a clear view of the infernos and could see that the buildings were going to collapse, couldn't get word to fire chiefs on the ground who, unable to see the fire, sent their men up the stairs to die.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>Does anyone here believe this? <p></p><i></i>
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This is a weird thread

Postby Ike Broflovski » Tue Oct 03, 2006 10:49 am

Hugh's original post had nothing to do with his theories about keyword hijacking.<br><br>I don't know why it's even controversial to suggest that Garrison Keillor might intend a political message as well as a character sketch in one of his monologues. It certainly isn't a paranoid conspiracy theory. Keillor is pretty forthcoming about his views, and "Prairie Home Companion" often contains gentle political commentary, usually in jokes.<br><br>That said, I don't think there was any risk of the Democratic Party campaigning on 9/11 conspiracy theories, so I doubt Keillor intended any particular message to the DNC per se. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Prof Pan's comment

Postby professorpan » Tue Oct 03, 2006 11:27 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>If you keep distorting what I write, Prof Pan, I'm going to conclude it is intentional.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Oh, for lawd's sake. What's next -- the dreaded "disinfo agent" slur? Hugh, my good man, all I've ever done is try to point out the gaping, monster-truck-sized flaws in your grand theory. Honestly, if you weren't such an acute analyst of media, I wouldn't even bother. But your sharp mind is being ground down to a dull knob by the brobdingnangian metaconspiracy you've built in your head. <br><br>The Project Paperclip thread has already been beaten into a pulp, so despite your clinging to it like a drowning man to a life preserver, I would tell others to check it out for themselves. For the umpteenth time, the biggest "kick me" sign on the back of your "keyword hijacking" idea is that it *<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>doesn't work</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->* and *<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>is compeletely illogical.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->*<br><br>For instance, as I have pointed out in ad nauseum, someone looking into Project Paperclip (the documentary) is <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>more likely</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> to stumble upon Operation Paperclip! This is the achilles heel of your theory which has been brought to your attention countless times -- yet you have never acknowledged it. You beat a retreat when the fallacies are held out in front of your face, emerging again when the next example of your confirmation bias ignites your fancy.<br><br>That doesn't even begin to address the vast expenditure of resources, both human and financial, required to implement something of <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>dubious and unproven efficacy</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> as creating entire films to "hijack" a phrase.<br><br>A theory as grand and complex as yours requires at least a minimum of evidence for any reasonable person to consider it -- hence the continuous requests for a shred, a speck, a fleck, a dust mote of factual corroboration.<br><br>You cannot supply the evidence because it does not exist.<br><br>It's sad to see a good mind wasted, to paraphrase Dan Quayle. Your insightful media analysis and your excellent research are wasted in your quixotic quest to push "keyword hijacking." I do find valuable nuggets in your posts -- your discussion of the origin of red/blue characterizations of states was very provocative. <br><br>I wish you'd post more of that and put the keyword hijacking to rest. <p></p><i></i>
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yeah

Postby orz » Tue Oct 03, 2006 7:50 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr> Borders, yes. Absolutely. Because Borders HQ dictates what goes where based on what publishing companies pay for. Payola rules.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rolleyes --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> I suppose 'They' program those little handwritten staff recommendation cards suggesting you read 'The Man in the High Castle' or 'Gravity's Rainbow' too... <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rolleyes --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>When some guy shot up people at a party after a zombie-themed dress up rave, I noted that the NYTimes had a cover article that very same day about Zombie movies 'representing the angst of the times' and that there was new Rob Zombie CD at the front counter (featured there because that placement is payed for) down at Borders.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>"when some totally unrelated things seemed related to me, i related them!! <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :hat --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/pimp.gif ALT=":hat"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> "<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>So I noted that there were two places where the keyword Zombie was visible the day of the Zombie shooting.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>So, wait, let me get this straight.... you noted there were two places where the keyword Zombie was visible the day of the (not actually related to) Zombie shooting? <br><br>IN OTHER WORDS YOU PERSONALLY SAW SOME THINGS YOU PERSONALLY RELATED TO A FACTUALLY UNRELATED EVENT!?<br><br>Amazing. If i scrutinised my DVD collection I could find at least 10 places the keyword 'Zombie' was visible any day of the week, rain or shine, raver shooting or no. <br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>orz, how about looking into military mind control experiment history and the science of hypnotic suggestion?<br>Not interested? Why not?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>I am <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>very</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> interested. I don't get it. What has that got to do with your unfeasible theories?<br><br><br>Read some novels.<br><br>Watch some films.<br><br>Become sane. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=orz@rigorousintuition>orz</A> at: 10/3/06 5:57 pm<br></i>
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Re: yeah

Postby orz » Tue Oct 03, 2006 8:09 pm

P.s: since I mentioned it, please do us all a favour and read The Man in the High Castle and Gravity's Rainbow before posting here again. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :lol --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: yeah

Postby orz » Tue Oct 03, 2006 8:22 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>So I noted that there were two places where the keyword Zombie was visible the day of the Zombie shooting.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>(i just felt like seeing that sentence one more time...) <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=orz@rigorousintuition>orz</A> at: 10/3/06 6:24 pm<br></i>
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