10/11/6 - 9/11/01 upside down - more explosions in NYC.

[MASONIC PLOT]

We should be making buildings, planes, houses, cars and tanks out of that passport material. Strong stuff. "Passport Strong." <p></p><i></i>

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

Hysterical, and that is the best idea for a new 9/11 truth movement slogan.<br><br>"If only the steel-framed Twin Towers had been built like Atta's passport."<br><br>Maybe it was just camo-colored. <p></p><i></i>

[AlicetheCurious]

I still think the inverted date and the "passport found on the street" are odd enough to ring some bells announcing that this may be a mind-thing (I'm trying to watch my language).<br><br>Certainly, for such a relatively trivial news item, it has 'hijacked' much of the coverage that would otherwise have been devoted to the Foley scandal, the 655,000 "liberated" Iraqis, maybe a review of how Dubya's stupidity and offensive bullying style of diplomacy provoked North Korea to develop the mother of all attention-getters, and generally the lack of anything good that can be said about the US administration.<br><br>It could be a pavlovian bell, reawakening the trauma of 9-11 among the American public, which after all, was when Bush rode high in the polls. <br><br>By the way, although it was reported in some papers that Atta's passport was the one found on the street on 9-11, later, subsequent reports, including testimony before the 9-11 Commission, said that the passport belonged to Satam al-Suqami.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[FourthBase]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>and finally, on a personal note - FB where are you. this 'baseball' thing is getting really weird.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>My take on it, tentatively: If there's shady shit involved...And that's a big if -- Lidle wasn't that good of a MLB pitcher, so I assume he wouldn't have been that good a pilot (sorry Cory)...Then I tend to think (<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>pure</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> speculation) it would involve something like Lidle knowing something about steroids/HGH in the Yankees clubhouse (that part's not speculation) and on his way out the door for the offseason threatening to blow the whistle if, say, the MFY ("Motherfucking Yankees") didn't give him a decent contract (that he wouldn't have deserved, sorry Cory). But there could possibly be connections to shadier, deeper psy-ops shit facilitated by the likes of SiaS ("Shit in a Suit" = Steinbrenner) and Guiliani. I just wouldn't bet on it. At this moment. Looks like an accident. So far. That plane apparently sucks to control, especially if you're a beginner, especially if the visibility isn't great. But I would like to know who responded to the scene first and what they did with the wreckage. And if it would be possible to, you know, remote control a little plane like that, give it a beacon inside the building to aim for. <p></p><i></i>

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

Plane crash in NYC, <br>passport found, <br>crime site building eliminated. <br><br>At the very least this demonstrates how a confluence of seemingly unrelated events can trigger the subconscious for political purposes. And that is a technique used methodically since the Cold War. <br><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>AP: Site of Amish schoolhouse shooting razed</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20061012/capt.d75303b75e5e45909cf7e50102581dc4.aptopix_amish_school_shooting_pamr102.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061012/ap_on_re_us/amish_school_shooting<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>By MARTHA RAFFAELE, Associated Press Writer 52 minutes ago<br><br>NICKEL MINES, Pa. - Workers with heavy machinery rather than hand tools moved in before dawn Thursday and demolished the one-room Amish schoolhouse where a gunman fatally shot five girls and wounded five others. <br><br>Construction lights glared in the mist as a large backhoe tore into the overhang of the school's porch around 4:45 a.m., then knocked down the bell tower and toppled the walls. Within 15 minutes, the building was reduced to a pile of rubble. By 7:30 a.m., the debris was gone, leaving just a bare patch of earth.<br><br>The schoolhouse had been boarded up since the killings 10 days earlier, with classes moved to a nearby farm. The Amish planned to leave a quiet pasture where the schoolhouse stood.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>"I thought there was widespread feeling in the community that it was important to remove the building,"</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> said Herman Bontrager, a Mennonite businessman who is serving as a spokesman. "Especially for the children, but not only for the children."<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i></i>

[professorpan]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>At the very least this demonstrates how a confluence of seemingly unrelated events can trigger the subconscious for political purposes. And that is a technique used methodically since the Cold War. <br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I'd change the sentence to read "this demonstrates how a confluence of unrelated events can trigger Hugh Manatee Wins to seek for patterns to support his idea that the unrelated events are being used for political purposes."<br><br>I'm not surprised the Amish schoolhouse is being razed. In their communities, the schoolhouse serves not only as a school, but as a town hall, church (they don't have actual churches), and meeting hall. No wonder they want it torn down and a new school built -- no one could enter the place without recalling those hideous murders. <p></p><i></i>

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

Prof Pan admonished me with -<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I'm not surprised the Amish schoolhouse is being razed. In their communities, the schoolhouse serves not only as a school, but as a town hall, church (they don't have actual churches), and meeting hall. No wonder they want it torn down and a new school built -- no one could enter the place without recalling those hideous murders.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Of course. I'm not at all surprised that horrible scene was purged from the community. Not at all. It re-triggers too much horror.<br>'Snakes in a School.'<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>A study of the big news stories of the 1950s will show how just a few managed to shape the course of the entire nation by permeating the collective psyche and being intentionally retriggered.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>I didn't mean this was intentionally happening here, just that this board is aware it happens. It happens. So keep an eye open to see beyond any given event horizen.<br><br>That's my point, opportunistic as it may be in this thread. Your welcome. lol.<br><br>Daniel Ellsberg lines this out to explain the origin of the Vietnam false-quagmire in his 1972 book 'Papers On the War.'<br><br>Cedric Belfrage also shows the 'Tent Pole Effect' of a few emotional narratives holding up the circus macabre of Cold War US history in his 1973 book 'The American Inquisition: 1945-1960.'<br><br>Highly recommended reading. Because this is what we are re-living. <p></p><i></i>

[Col Quisp]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>It could be a pavlovian bell, reawakening the trauma of 9-11 among the American public, which after all, was when Bush rode high in the polls. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Amen to that, sister! <p></p><i></i>

[MASONIC PLOT]

This was clearly an accident, however, they may have used things like "passport found in street" and "fighter jets scrambled by NORAD" to rub our 9-11 truth movement noses in it. That certainly would not be beyond reason to consider. <p></p><i></i>

[professorpan]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I didn't mean this was intentionally happening here, just that this board is aware it happens. It happens. So keep an eye open to see beyond any given event horizen.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Agreed. Our basic disagreement isn't that the news media manipulate and shape perception -- if there's anyone on this board who doesn't believe that, I'd be surprised. <p></p><i></i>

[Gouda]

alicethecurious, thanks for setting the crooked record stright re: the "atta passport in the street" confusion. It's a little thing, but important. Would be interesting to trace the history of that urban myth and/or purposeful deception. Not to say that it is not weird that Satam al-Suqami's passport would be found in the street. From the cooperative research site: <!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Two of Mohamed Atta’s bags are found on 9/11.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> They contain a handheld electronic flight computer, a simulator procedures manual for Boeing 757 and 767 aircraft, two videotapes relating to “air tours” of the Boeing 757 and 747 aircraft, a slide-rule flight calculator, a copy of the Koran, <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Atta’s passport</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, his will, his international driver’s license, a religious cassette tape, airline uniforms, a letter of recommendation, “education related documentation” and a note (see September 28, 2001) to other hijackers on how to mentally prepare for the hijacking. [Associated Press, 10/5/2001; Sydney Morning Herald, 9/15/2001; Boston Globe, 9/18/2001; Independent, 9/29/2001] <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&the_post-9/11_world=investigations">www.cooperativeresearch.o...stigations</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Now those reported "facts" may be planted, and we can be skeptical about it, but it's what we've got and argumentation/case-building needs to have the facts-as-we-know-them straight. <br><br>Regarding NORAD scrambling jets on 911, CNN tries to pass off the response on 911 as normal & routine as it was for the Lidle crash. Read the 911 timeline...nothing routine, normal or clear about it. <p></p><i></i>

[HMKGrey]

The date is really curious. <br><br>And who says anyone was really on the plane? <br><br>Doesn't the finding of the passport actually make the necessity of a body superfluous? Planes burn hot, I guess. <br><br>The PTB need a distraction. They kidnap and kill a baseball star (one that possibly needed removing anyway) then, remotely fly his plane in to a tall building on a deliberately curious date. <br><br>They've got a memory evoking scene of a skyscarper burning on NY's skyline, they've got the press cycle reset, they've gotten rid of a troublesome ball player and they've got a date which either means something to them or will simply cause us to shoot our mouths off about conspiracies and look stupid. <br><br>Do we have any witnesses from the airport he took off from coming forward to speak of how happy he was and so on?<br><br>Be interesting to see how they place him at the airport. <br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[dbeach]

I heard at PI that he was a gambler<br><br>Mike Jordon was also a gambler<br>and his father was murdered on 7/23/93.<br><br>MAYBE these celeb related deaths are pay back for gambling debts unpaid and in this "accident" of 10/11/06 <br><br>an added bonus for the PTB is the 9/11 fires get reactivated.. <p></p><i></i>

[starroute]

As far as I know, the earliest mention of the passport came from Kerik on September 16th.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16/inv.investigation.terrorism/index.html">archives.cnn.com/2001/US/...index.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>New York Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik said Sunday a passport belonging to one of the hijackers was discovered a few days ago several blocks from the crash site by a passerby.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

For this plane event story I'm looking at the Associated Press story by Colleen Long in my local paper but attributed to Nahal Toosi on this NYC WHAS - 11 TV station's website. <br><br>Oh. Another '11.'<br><br>Why the change in byline? Lots of people credited with the reporting online.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/MANHATTAN_PLANE_CRASH?SITE=WHAS&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT">hosted.ap.org/dynamic/sto...TE=DEFAULT</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Lidle's passport was found on the street, according to a federal official, speaking to the Associated Press on condition of anonymity.<br>.....<br>Associated Press writers Pat Milton, Ron Blum, Colleen Long, Robert Tanner and Adam Goldman in New York; Robert Weller in Denver; Daisy Nguyen in Los Angeles; and Leslie Miller and Lara Jakes Jordan in Washington contributed to this report.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Useful trigger insert point mechanics, anonymity. <p></p><i></i>