The Idiocy Behind the '9/11 Truth' Movement

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Re: and..

Postby sunny » Sat Oct 28, 2006 8:04 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>If that's the crux of your case- and I've heard the point reiterated enough times in relation to the 9-11 Pentagon attack to think that for at least some folks, it is- you might as well drop it.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br>Well, I'm not a "no planer" so it's not my case. What interests me is why the reluctance to release clear video. I refuse to believe that it does not exist. The Pentagon is not only the largest office building in the world,(I work for Legal Services-our building ain't all that, but the video equipment outranks what I've seen from the Pentagon) but it is a building in which high-tech surveillance equipment would be both necessary for security reasons and would exist simply as a way to spend money. There has to be an underhanded motive for not releasing the pictures. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: and..

Postby NewKid » Sat Oct 28, 2006 8:06 pm

<br><br>Sunny's right of course. RDR's comments really don't apply to the Pentagon attack at all. Whatever happened, it most assuredly was captured on numerous satellites and video cameras. I don't think it's unreasonable for people to want to see it. Now that may not be the end of our inquiry, but it should at least be the start. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=newkid@rigorousintuition>NewKid</A> at: 10/28/06 6:07 pm<br></i>
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Re: and..

Postby sunny » Sat Oct 28, 2006 8:21 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I was expressing my impatience with people who seem to always want a complete 360 squared video account for every event-<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Exactly</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> a point I expressed toward defenders of the official story earlier in the thread. As in, what the hell else did they need to disbelieve it? Video of Cheney and Rumsfeld cackling over their plans in a smoke-filled room? <p></p><i></i>
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Postby orz » Sun Oct 29, 2006 11:38 am

I'm not sure anyone here is really "defending" the official theory... <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rolleyes --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>I for one am as sceptical of the various unofficial theories (or at least aspects of them) as i am the official one. Neither make much sense to me. Or rather, neither provide a coherent explanation for all the events AND the reason they happened. Both have bits and pieces that make sense, and a whole load of stuff that's nonsensical and/or contradictory. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The vagueness of it all

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Sun Oct 29, 2006 9:11 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>What I saw at certain moments and in certain places...is very frightening, I don't know who to put it in words, what I saw leads me to the terrible conclusion that there was foreknowledge of what was going to happen. The precautions that were taken to save certain things that the authorities there considered irreplaceable or invaluable. For example, certain things were missing that could only have been removed with a truck, yet after the first plane hit one of the towers, everything in manhattan collapsed and no one could have gotten near the towers to do that.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>This sounds very similar to all the UFO insider reports that appeared in Nexus magazine years ago. Same pattern and lack of concrete information. Starts out with "this is very frightening" (So take notice) Then talks about certain things. What things, details please, files computer collections of baseball cards, Hitlers preserved corpse ... what?<br><br>Certain things ... like what. Are we supposed to turn up to the exhibition in the hopes of seeing photo's of these things?<br><br>Wonder what the door price is? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The vagueness of it all

Postby sunny » Mon Oct 30, 2006 2:24 pm

Non-idiot for 9/11 truth gets fair coverage:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_4572518?source=email">www.denverpost.com/news/c...urce=email</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Newkid's comment on Pentagon visuals

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Mon Oct 30, 2006 2:32 pm

It is standard military practice not to display your losses because it is a morale gift to the enemy.<br><br>Remember the big sheet put over the hole in the side of the USS Cole? Standard operating procedure.<br><br>That is why the Pentagon will never show what happened there and is instead just allowing the fact that something did to motivate its military-intelligence community for righteous revenge.<br><br>The additional confusion over the details of what happened there helps to slow the 9/11 truth movement which is an enemy of the Pentagon because the truth would utterly demoralize their people. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: yes, in fact

Postby MASONIC PLOT » Mon Oct 30, 2006 5:00 pm

POSTRCHLD said<br><br>5.) Most of us, Masonic Plot excluded, think we can change something if we can actually come to a common ground and unite behind it. That a vote does count. That a protest of proper magnitude does count. <br><br><br><br>I have never once posted on this board anything remotely close to saying that we cannot change things. I, for one, am very optimistic that we can make something better. What I have said and will continue to say is that if you do the same thing over and over and over and expect different results you are, by definition, INSANE. You are givin a choice every election between two criminals, voting for the lesser of the two criminals still gives you an elected criminal. The minute a member of either party is elected, at least on the national stage, they will immediately begin doing the bidding of the corporations who funded their drive to office, that which benefits such corporations is nearly always not what benefits the people. When we take corporate money out of the equation and stop legally recognizing corporations as people and money as speech THEN perhaps we will see something different, until then you are simply repeating the same thing and over and over when you elect one of the two criminals propped up by either party and your expectation that either one of them will do anything different than the status quo is what continues to make you insane. I am hopeful that one day the insanity will stop, so far I see no light, but I do remain hopeful in spite of that. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The Idiocy Behind the '9/11 Truth' Movement

Postby MASONIC PLOT » Mon Oct 30, 2006 5:21 pm

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Re: The Idiocy Behind the '9/11 Truth' Movement

Postby dbeach » Mon Oct 30, 2006 6:02 pm

MP <br>the dove of hate had the means oportunity and methods walking the corridoors of power for over 18 yrs .<br><br> how about his remote controlled air technology company ? <br><br>I got stoned here for saying this but he is a criminal ,<br>an arch criminal and a foreign agent of an enemy nation...hostile to the well being of the average US Citizen <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The Idiocy Behind the '9/11 Truth' Movement

Postby MASONIC PLOT » Mon Oct 30, 2006 6:07 pm

DB, of course you did, and we both know why, silly as it is. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The Idiocy Behind the '9/11 Truth' Movement

Postby postrchild » Mon Oct 30, 2006 7:12 pm

UhOh I smell finger pointin! (Just where has that finger been that I can smell it?) <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The Idiocy Behind the '9/11 Truth' Movement

Postby NewKid » Tue Oct 31, 2006 12:36 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>It is standard military practice not to display your losses because it is a morale gift to the enemy. <br><br>Remember the big sheet put over the hole in the side of the USS Cole? Standard operating procedure.<br><br>That is why the Pentagon will never show what happened there and is instead just allowing the fact that something did to motivate its military-intelligence community for righteous revenge.<br><br>The additional confusion over the details of what happened there helps to slow the 9/11 truth movement which is an enemy of the Pentagon because the truth would utterly demoralize their people. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>With all respect, HMW, I'm not sure I get what you're saying. Are you saying that flight 77 is on the tapes, but they're hiding them just because showing the impact of flight 77 really hitting would hurt morale of the troops and end the confusion among conspiracy theorists? Or are you saying that flight 77 might not be on there and revealing that would devastate the troops (and the country) and embolden the truth movement? <br><br>If the former, I'm not sure I get it. If displaying your losses is a morale gift to the enemy, then why allow the film of the twin towers hitting over and over again to be shown? (Note that while the footage is in private hands, the govt has made no effort to suppress it or confiscate it like they did with Citgo and the hotel. Just the opposite in fact, it is freely shown routinely without objection of any kind.) That's a much bigger morale gift to the enemy than anything at the Pentagon. The fact that those are civilian targets and not military is irrelevant if the issue is what consitutes a morale gift to the enemy. Hitting the towers (and bringing them down) is a huge gift. <br><br>Moreover, they <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>have shown</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> the hit at the Pentagon. The problem is not showing the explosion or the hole it created (which had no tarp covering it), but getting a clear picture of the physical object that hit it. In other words, if the morale has to do with not displaying <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>your losses</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->, then that's already been done. It's merely the object, not the effect of the object, that needs to be revealed. <br><br>And the towers getting hit was huge motivation for revenge for a lot of people, so I have to think the military would be motivated much more, not less, by seeing clear pictures of the real thing. Cf. <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.severevisibility.com/" target="top">Severe Visability</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> (not offered for it's truth, but just to show potential low morale on troops who question what hit the Pentagon).<br><br>Much more importantly, however, showing the footage would dispel all of the doubt that exists about what happened in the civilian and diplomatic world, which on balance the govt would much rather do than not do. Now I frequently see the argument that the Pentagon is hiding the tapes and satellite footage because they want to create confusion and muddy the waters with conspiracy theorists. I have to say I think that's mostly nonsense. The govt would far prefer to be able to release clear and convincing pictures from multiple angles of the pentagon attack (like WTC) for both domestic and foreign public relations. So I think the idea that the US govt would rather play peek-abo with conspiracy theorists instead of releasing clear and unmistakable footage of the Pentagon attack is wildly offbase (it also assumes this decision was made before or immediately at the time of the attacks, another rather implausible scenario in my view). <br><br>The govt has had multiple opportunities to give any conceivable national security justification for not releasing the tapes, and yet it hasn't done so. All it came up with was the completely preposterous notion (both legally and factually) that it might prejudice the Moussaoui case, which is, in any event, totally moot at this point. <br><br>That said, do keep in mind that there could be any number of nefarious reasons why they're hiding the tapes at this point, and they may very well have nothing to do with the identity of the plane hitting the building. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=newkid@rigorousintuition>NewKid</A> at: 10/30/06 9:44 pm<br></i>
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Re: The Idiocy Behind the '9/11 Truth' Movement

Postby dbeach » Tue Oct 31, 2006 1:07 am

"why allow the film of the twin towers hitting over and over again to be shown? "<br><br>cuz it has an effect of traumatzing and retraumatizing the nation in the same way as the JFK hit<br><br>IF indeed the US secret governmint did the crimes???<br> ..it becomes another facet of the psych-ops<br>which all leads to the signing of the MCA and the Warner amendment which gives Bush the same rights as kings<br><br>9/11 is the most complicated crime in US history with many parts and facts intertwined and yet separate<br>well planned in advance and executed in military precision by special forces types with their insider connections.. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The Idiocy Behind the '9/11 Truth' Movement

Postby NewKid » Tue Oct 31, 2006 1:14 am

Of course, but that doesn't answer my question to HMW. Showing the pentagon hit would help retraumatize the people over and over (like wtc), support the govt's credibility on the official story, and provide much better motivation to the fighting troops. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=newkid@rigorousintuition>NewKid</A> at: 10/30/06 10:15 pm<br></i>
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