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It was Hunt Ike spoke of...

Postby gwbushmalecheerleader » Thu Jun 23, 2005 7:11 am

From Snopes.com:<br><br>Social Insecurity<br><br>Claim: President Eisenhower once noted that "a few Texas oil millionaires" wanted to "abolish social security."<br><br>Status: True.<br><br>Example: [Collected on the Internet, 2005]<br><br>President Dwight Eisenhower, Republican, uttered these words on November 8, 1954:<br><br>"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes that you can do these things. Among them are a few Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or businessman from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid."<br><br>In addition to being a war hero, a decent fellow, a moderate Republican before they began to go extinct, President Eisenhower apparently was also quite the prophet. Little George W. Bush was about 9 years old at the time...<br><br>Origins: One favorite tactic in political debate is to put words in the mouth of a respected elder statesmen to make it appear he presciently anticipated some modern Ike issue or political personality (and, naturally, took a stand that supported the viewpoint of whoever put those words in his mouth). Therefore, given the recent debate over President George W. Bush's efforts to alter the Social Security system, one would expect a fifty-year-old quote from a former President (and fellow Republican) labeling as "stupid" certain "Texas oil millionaires" who want "to abolish social security" to be a similar fabrication.<br><br>Save for a few minor details, however, the quote from President Dwight D. Eisenhower cited at the head of this page is in fact an accurate one. It wasn't something he uttered (it was instead something he wrote), and the version reproduced above omits Ike's reference to a specific Texas oil tycoon (H.L. Hunt), but it otherwise is taken verbatim from a letter President Eisenhower penned to his brother, Edgar Newton Eisenhower, on 8 November 1954:<br>Now it is true that I believe this country is following a dangerous trend when it permits too great a degree of centralization of governmental functions. I oppose this--in some instances the fight is a rather desperate one. But to attain any success it is quite clear that the Federal government cannot avoid or escape responsibilities which the mass of the people firmly believe should be undertaken by it. The political processes of our country are such that if a rule of reason is not applied in this effort, we will lose everything--even to a possible and drastic change in the Constitution. This is what I mean by my constant insistence upon "moderation" in government. Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are H. L. Hunt (you possibly know his background), a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or business man from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid.<br>Politically, Ike was a classic small-government Republican. He was of the opinion that the federal government had grown too large at the expense of local and state authority since the advent of FDR's New Deal in the 1930's, a situation which had been exacerbated by the national emergency that was World War II. Since the Depression and the war were over by the time he took office in 1953, President Eisenhower felt it was time to return to the "middle way" — pruning federal subsidies of industries such as agriculture and power companies, which he believed no longer needed government assistance. At the same time, he wanted to sustain and even increase funding for programs he thought had good track records, and Social Security was paramount among these.<br><br>Last updated: 20 March 2005<br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Give anything to know who those other "Texas oilmen" Ike referred to.<br><br>I see no one is interested in my theory that whoever the "security wing" of the Republican party is that had Dulles under survelliance, afraid President Carter was going to pull a last minute deal with Iran to win the election JUST MAY have actually been CIA? It is on the transcript of that Nightline on Iran-Contra allegations of Bush'1 role.<br><br>It's odd to me that private "security wing" operatives would be able monitor a public airport, on the "lookout" for OFFICIAL, ELECTED governments agents!!! Think about it!!<br><br>Get me the names of those in charge of that "security wing", and I'll hand you the names of some of the conspirators of 911.<br><br>And H.L. Hunt lit out after JFK was murdered. Damn, I KNOW who those other "Texas Oilmen" are, don't you? <br><br>Thanks, Ike. You were pres when I was born.<br>See, and that "terrorists" picked the airport next door to CIA HQ's? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: October-Surprise lookouts, CIA links to Reagan/Bush

Postby Starman » Thu Jun 23, 2005 7:15 pm

Heyia; Like a lotta folks here (I suppose, ennyway) I read most posts on both the reg and temp boards -- But I don't always, or even usually, have anything esp. relevant to add, but I AM interested.<br><br>I suppose you've looked into Reagan/Bush links to Permindex and those nefarious charcters ties to JFK, October-surprise, Reagan's assassination attempt, Middle East oil maneuvering, AlQaeda funding, arms/drugs smuggling, and 911? It's a full-time job just trying to keep everything sorted there's so many dirty, dirty deals ...<br><br>Fer wot it's worth:<br><br>first-page google results, Bush, Permindex:<br><br>Bronfman, Bush, Cheney - Seagrams, Zapata, Brown & Root - ALL ...<br>THE BUSH FAMILY LINKS TO HALLIBURTON, ROOT & BROWN AND PERMINDEX. ... PERMINDEX AND<br>SEAGRAMS USED THE SAME INVESTORS THE BUSH FAMILY USED. ...<br>www.hiddenmysteries.org/ conspiracy/coverups/bronfmanbush.html - 47k - Cached - Similar pages <br><br>George W. Bush - Terrorist in the White House<br>Web site that exposes the corrupt Bush administration and his terrorist organization.<br>... Permindex was clearly the Israeli link to the JFK assassination, ...<br>www.nogw.com/articles/mossad_jfk_piper.html - 56k - Cached - Similar pages <br><br>George W. Bush - Terrorist in the White House - Dark History<br>Web site that exposes the corrupt Bush administration and his terrorist ...<br>ties to the Mossad-sponsored Permindex entity that played a central role in the ...<br>www.nogw.com/dark_history.html - 104k - Cached - Similar pages <br><br>Bush book: Introduction<br>1959 was the year that Bush started operating out of his Zapata Offshore ...<br>figures of the PERMINDEX networks of Georges Mandel, Ferenc Nagy, Max Hagerman, ...<br>www.tarpley.net/bush8b.htm - 47k - Cached - Similar pages <br><br>Will Bush or Kerry Learn a Lesson from Charles de Gaulle?<br>Unless a George Bush, or a John Kerry, is able to provide leadership in taking<br>... It was the same Permindex apparatus that had successfully assassinated ...<br>www.larouchepub.com/other/2004/3124iraq_algeria.html - 50k - Cached - Similar pages <br><br>Halliburton Is Houston's 'Greater Hermann Göring Werke'<br>Permindex had also organized several attempts on the life of French ... Hunt is<br>also a trustee of the George Bush Presidential Library and a former chairman ...<br>www.larouchepub.com/other/2003/3037hallib_profile.html - 21k - Cached - Similar pages <br><br>Unauthorized Biography of George Bush - David Icke E~Magazine<br>David Icke's E~Magazine Article - Unauthorized Biography of George Bush - David<br>... of the PERMINDEX networks of Georges Mandel, Ferenc Nagy, Max Hagerman, ...<br>davidicke.www.50megs.com/ icke/magazine/vol5/bush/bushjfk.htm - 59k - Cached - Similar pages <br><br>World Watchers International #792 side 1<br>PERMINDEX IN ACTION. THE ARREST OF CARLOS LEHDER RIVAS, COCAINE KING FROM ...<br>BUSH MET "THREE TIMES WITH FELIX RODRIGUEZ, North, Amb. Edwin Corr attended. ...<br>www.maebrussell.com/ Bibliography%20Sheets/792s1%20(text).html - 11k - Cached - Similar pages <br><br>The Planned Gutting of Industrial America: Who Did It and Why<br>The Bush family is also a creature of the Harriman networks and their British<br>controllers ... More importantly, Jean de Menil was a key figure in Permindex, ...<br>educate-yourself.org/cn/ southernstrategyassaultonamerica01jan01.shtml - 77k - Cached - Similar pages <br><br>httpIf he is in charge of Gehlen-Permindex Operation, 1960-1969 were busy years. ...<br>He then became one of a dozen elite GOP fundraisers who anointed Bush as ...<br>www.newsmakingnews.com/mbtape11,22,81,520.htm - 16k - Cached - Similar pages <br><br>Regrdz!<br>Starman <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :eek --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eek.gif ALT=":eek"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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re:Permindex

Postby chiggerbit » Thu Jun 23, 2005 8:25 pm

Sorry if this is a repeat, but it has been sitting in one of my files.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://scribblguy.50megs.com/torbitt.htm">scribblguy.50megs.com/torbitt.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Nomenclature of an Assassination Cabal<br><br>by William Torbitt<br>NOTICE<br><br>This manuscript is the result of research and investigation by the investigator and author. It is compiled for the sole purpose of research and the statements and averments of fact contained herein are the result of investigation and research of agencies both private and public. The purpose of this document is to place into perspective such research and investigative findings and is to be used only at a time in the future when it may be legally published and circulated as an historical document. The name of the author is a cognomen and nom de plume.<br><br>CHAPTERS<br><br>I. Permindex and Its Five Subsidiaries<br><br>II. J. Edgar Hoover, Ferenc Nagy, Clay Shaw L.M. Bloomfield and Permindex<br><br>III. Roy Cohn, General John Medaris, Joe Bonanno, L.M. Bloomfield, The Syndicate and Mafia<br><br>IV. The Assassination Attempt on DeGaulle<br><br>V. In 1961, European and U.S. Publications Revealed the Defense Intelligence Agency's Support of the Revolting French Generals<br><br>VI. Permindex and Double-Chek Agents and Their Activities<br><br>VII. Albert Osborne, Missionary for the A.C.C.C. and the Cabal<br><br>VIII. Jean De Menil, OSWALD;, Gordon Novel and Their Activities and Asso.i.CIA;tes<br><br>IX. Hungarian Prime Minister, Ferenc Nagy's Chronological Activities and Werner Von Braun<br><br>X. Tryall Club in Jamaica and World Commerce Corporation Successor to the German Munitions Cartels<br><br>XI. Clay Shaw, Permindex Director, Plans a Murder<br><br>XII. William Seymour, Agent for Defense Industrial Security Command, Participates in Murder<br><br>XIII Conclusion<br><br>XIV About the Author<br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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re: Permindex, Nomenclature of an Assassination ...

Postby Starman » Thu Jun 23, 2005 8:47 pm

Excellant ... That's the primary link/ref. I was trying to recall but temp. forgot the name of -- That's truly an astonishing resource. If I recall correctly, it also has info on the Phillipine Gold transfer.<br><br>Which makes it all the more incredible that the whole filthy Bush Gang Criminal Enterprise and their International cronies aren't serving lengthy sentences ... Goes to show how thoroughly corrupted Washington is --and how completely we've been betrayed, sold-out, screwed.<br><br>Anybody who trusts Government without qualification is asking to be defrauded. Unfortunately, they don't even need the public's trust to defraud us.<br><br>Starman <p></p><i></i>
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Postby chiggerbit » Thu Jun 23, 2005 9:06 pm

Hmmm...<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKtorbitt.htm">www.spartacus.schoolnet.c...orbitt.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>William Torbitt is the pseudonymous author of Nomenclature of an Assassination Cabal (1970). When the book was published the author claimed he was a lawyer working in the southwestern part of the United States. <br><br>During the Second World War Torbitt served in the United States Navy. After completing a law degree from the University of Texas he worked as a prosecuting attorney (1949-51). He admits that his clients includes people involved in committing political murder. He claims he has also represented people involved in the "financial dealings of organized crime in Texas". <br><br>In Nomenclature of an Assassination Cabal Torbitt claims that John F. Kennedy was assassinated by a "fascist cabal... who planned to lay the blame on honest right-wing conservatives, if their first ploy, to lay the blame on Oswald and the Communists, was not bought."<br><br>Torbitt argues that a Swiss Corporation named Permindex engineered the assassination. Also involved included Defense Industrial Security Command, organized by J. Edgar Hoover and William Sullivan. Torbitt claims that DISC agents included Clay Shaw, Guy Banister, David Ferrie, Lee Harvey Oswald, Jack Ruby with Louis M. Bloomfield of Montreal, Canada in charge. <br><br>According to the author Permindex was comprised of:<br><br>(1) Solidarists an Eastern European exile organization.<br><br>(2) American Council of Christian Churches led by Haroldson L. Hunt. <br><br>(3) Free Cuba Committee headed by Carlos Prio. <br><br>(4) The Syndicate headed by Clifford Jones, ex-lieutenant governor of Nevada. This group also included Bobby Baker, George Smathers, Roy Cohn, Fred Black and Lewis McWillie. <br><br>(5) Security Division of NASA headed by Wernher von Braun. <br><br>In his book Who Shot JFK? (2002) Robin Ramsay argues that Nomenclature of an Assassination Cabal was an attempt by the Central Intelligence Agency to link the Federal Bureau of Investigation to the assassination of John F. Kennedy. "Torbitt took Garrison's inquiry into the ClA's links to the assassination and converted them into a story about the FBI's responsibility for the assassination. (This, in my view, tells us that the author/s of Torbitt were working for the CIA, trying to diminish the 'Garrison effect.')"<br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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disinformation

Postby chiggerbit » Thu Jun 23, 2005 9:53 pm

"In Nomenclature of an Assassination Cabal Torbitt claims that John F. Kennedy was assassinated by a "fascist cabal... who planned to lay the blame on honest right-wing conservatives, if their first ploy, to lay the blame on Oswald and the Communists, was not bought."<br> <br><br>Makes me think of a George Bush, businessman, who made a report, I believe on the day of the assassination, to the FBI that a Young Republican had made threats against Kennedy. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: October-Surprise lookouts, CIA links to Reagan/Bush

Postby gwbushmalecheerleader » Sat Jun 25, 2005 1:12 am

Hadn't gone that route yet, thanks for the good reads..<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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