The Crown

by **madeupname452** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 11:34 pm

<a href="http://tomvalentine.com/html/the_crown.html">tomvalentine.com/html/the_crown.html</a> The “modern” world of our so-called Western Civilization began at the end of the 17th century with the blossoming of the British Empire. The underpinnings of that empire actually began several hundred years earlier with the establishment of the City of London, which is now an 800-year old corporation that controls finance and philosophy for an entity called the Crown. This entity is the creator and controller of “central banks.” The Crown has never been the King or Queen of England since the establishment of this corporate body. The Crown is the directorate of the corporation. ... all the Crown colonies were established on a corporate model with financial ties to the City of London—not the nation of England or Britain. The Dutch used a similar corporate model with their colonies, but France, Spain and Portugal colonized in the name of their monarchs and the church. The directorate of the Crown, whoever they were, had no loyalty to any nation—they were, and are, devoted entirely to their philosophy which seeks absolute power over an Earthly realm. For more than 250 years, the denizens of the Crown brought untold wealth back from the colonies to the British Isles—for themselves—note: the population of the United Kingdom (British, English, Scottish, Irish, Welsh peoples) received very little wealth even though they provided the tax base and cannon fodder. The people were invaluable assets of the Crown, but they knew not what they served—and still don’t. ... A unifying philosophy from Masonry allowed these banking and merchant princes to cobble together a world cabal of finance—severing themselves from all national loyalties long ago. ... Today’s confused geopolitical mess began in the 1880’s and picked up steam after the turn of the 20th century. The Crown had worn out the taxpaying base of the British Isles in maintaining the Empire, especially after costly wars in the “Raj” which is how they referred to India, and in South Africa at the turn of the century, so they simply adopted or usurped the masses of the United States by manipulating the US to take over the forefront of their imperialism. World War One marked the apparent transition from London to New York, so to speak. Incidentally, the actual home base for Crown operations isn’t really important in such a worldly scheme. Philosophically, Jerusalem is the most important location of these long-range planners. ... Brittania ruled the waves for more than 200 years, and established the Crown as the premier world power (and lending institution). Then it became apparent to the Crown very early in the oil-patch game that “black gold” was going to rule the world’s economy—they correctly deduced that nothing else would be as dominant in the mechanical world as fuel for the machines. Energy had become the most important facet of international economy. Up until oil became king, control of the oceans was the key. While the rest of the world thought in terms of coal fired steam engines that dominated the first half of the 19th century, the Crown with its tremendous resources and control over academic and technical institutions knew that petroleum oozing out of the ground would very soon dominate the endeavors of mankind. Until nuclear energy came along, oil was the cheapest, most abundant source of energy with a favorable energy-in/energy-out ratio. Oh, so quietly, the Crown went to work behind the scenes to carefully manipulate control over the world’s use of oil. It did not matter which personalities were discovering and drilling for oil; nor did it matter which individuals or companies would come along to distribute and market the oil—the Crown would be the power behind the financing. This neat trick of sitting behind the scenes and merely supplying the life-blood of credit for every new development had become second nature to these mercantilists from the dawn of shipping, trade and insurance. The early merchant kings had honed their skills going back to the days of trade routes across Asia, so they easily controlled steamships and railroads at the dawning of the industrial revolution. Besides, the Crown also had a long-time controlling hand in all the stock exchanges worldwide. They automatically controlled anything and everything that could be called “capital intensive” because they ruled the capital. For example, John D. Rockefeller had to get a lot of financing to establish his early “capital intensive” Standard Oil monopoly; The Nobel family of Sweden developed the world’s first major oil field at Baku in Azerbaijan on the Caspian Sea but the Crown soon took over control. Just as petroleum blossomed into black gold with the advent of Henry Ford’s auto manufacturing assembly line after 1903, the Crown realized the British Empire was on the wane. Competition from Germany was serious, Russia had always been seen as a threat, and the United States had survived the civil war, which the Crown had helped to instigate. The Ottoman Empire was also on the wane, while it appeared that huge amounts of oil lie buried beneath Muslim dominated Middle Eastern sands. ... In the early decade of the 1900s, if the Crown were to maintain its worldwide power in the face of seething nationalistic populations, all with strong desires of their own, it had to act boldly. So, at the turn of the century, not only did they cleverly enlist the United States in aggressive steps toward Imperialism by fostering the Spanish-American war, they also took South Africa away from the Boers, and arranged for the Japanese to have a very strong modern navy in order to keep Russia out of the Pacific. After all, the Crown had long prevented Russia from getting a seaport in any warm waters to the south and west, and there was no need to acquiesce to the Pacific. The Japanese naval defeat of the Russians in 1902 did the trick neatly, and the Crown directors smiled silently as the Russian bear remained landlocked. ... There is nothing in the above recitation of history that is not well known—except, perhaps, the central role of the Crown. Historians insist upon calling it the “British” Empire, but the people of Britain had absolutely nothing to do with it. The “Commonwealth” is an interesting term for nations who are tied directly to the Crown. All the millions of subjects (not citizens) in the Commonwealth have no say, nor anything to do with the Empire, except to play the same pretend politics we play in the US today and provide able bodies for the military and some tax dollars. ... World War One was one of the Crown’s finest hours, so to speak. Think about some of these facts: 1. Nobody can explain how the war came about, especially at that particular time in Europe. The famous assassination of Archduke Ferdinand was truly insignificant, but thanks to many “treaties” serving silent manipulations of the Crown a number of nations declared war against Germany while Germany declared against none. 2. The fighting in Europe was utterly insane, to the point of the French army going on strike as millions of men died for no reason in trench warfare. The US population wanted nothing to do with Europe’s war, but dirty trick politics manipulated Americans into the fray. The sinking of the Lusitania comes to mind. American forces engaged in actual fighting for only a few months. 3. The trench warfare ended in stalemate with no clear winner, but at the Treaty of Versailles, the Crown used American president Woodrow Wilson and manipulated the terms as if Britain had won—thereby setting the stage for Adolf Hitler and WWII. 4. Egypt, and the vital waterway called Suez, was essentially a Crown colony at the outset of WWI, and when the shooting stopped in the Middle East, Britain and France were directed to parcel out the entire region by the Crown. Two of the parcels became nations of keen interest to us today—Iraq and Israel. 5. Lord Balfour instigated the establishment of modern Israel with a mere “declaration.” This gave a green light to the “Zionist” movement that had grown more prominent after 1897 when Theodore Herzl wrote The Jewish State. Who directed Lord Balfour? Despite all the terrorism and posturing that made it appear the British were dragging their feet in helping Israel get established, it turns out that Israel is a de facto Crown colony to this day—attached at the hip with the Crown’s main mercenary, the United States. That was the best trick of all. 6. Iraq was cobbled together from various tribal groups in Mesopotamia after the British occupied Baghdad in 1917. In 1921, after considerable strife, the Crown manipulated the selection of an Arab Hashemite (Faisal) as Iraq’s first “elected” ruler. Then the Crown was ostensibly kicked out of Mesopotamia when the Baath Party came to power much later. The socialist Baathists were formed in 1947 after the tumultuous Damascus conference, which was a gathering of Arab groups ostensibly attempting to decide religious archeology directions as well as what should be done in the wake of the fall of the Ottoman Turks. The hidden hand of the Crown tried to pull all the strings of this fiasco, but many Arab leaders had become aware of the high cabal behind the political powers of the west. The Muslim leaders saw Israel as a colony establishing a foothold in the Levant. The Crown knew that Islam would vow to resist Israel for more than religious reasons alone. This historic “tension” could be used to great advantage by the manipulative Crown. Establishing control of the blossoming world of oil export was only half of the goal of the Crown in these machinations following both WWI and WWII. These two world wars were actually all one manipulated global-changing activity. ... In order to maintain power over the always restless natives of the earth, the Crown must make sure that all their manipulated governments have an enemy to face or a crisis to manage—else the people don’t need governments that steal their money lawfully via taxes. The two political parties are used to keep independent thinking away from a Constitutional government. The Crown generally finances the opposition to its own puppet regimes. International Communism is a Crown device.

by **madeupname452** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 11:57 pm

<a href="http://www.tomvalentine.com/html/london2.html">www.tomvalentine.com/html/london2.html</a> "The City" is an international financial oligarchy and is perhaps the most arbitrary and absolute form of government in the world. This international financial oligarchy uses the allegoric "Crown" as its symbol of power and has its headquarters in the ancient City of London, an area of 677 acres; which strangely in all the vast expanse of the 443,455 acres of Metropolitan London alone is not under the jurisdiction of the Metropolitan Police, but has its own private force of about 2,000 men, while its night population is under 9,000.” So, we are talking about an area of about one square mile in size that is to London what the Vatican is to Rome. Technically one might argue that “The City” is not a sovereign entity like the Vatican, but when we get right down to it, “The City” or “The Crown” is actually a “corporation” that is more than 800 years old and is, in fact, utterly independent—though the folks in charge don’t act like it much because they prefer to stay beneath the light of day. About 350,000 people go to work in the “City” everyday. The 800-year old “corporation” is older than Parliament and the Anglican Church. The City of London has been a political entity since the 1100’s. It is unique. ... This tiny area of a little over one square mile has in it the giant Bank of England, a privately owned institution; which is not subject to regulation by the British Parliament, and is in effect a sovereign world power. Within the City are located also the Stock Exchange and many institutions of worldwide scope. The City carries on its business of local government with a fanciful display of pompous medieval ceremony and with its officers attired in grotesque ancient costumes. Its voting power is vested in secret guilds with names of long extinct crafts such as the Mercers, Grocers, Fishmongers, Skinners, Vintners, etc. All this trivial pomp and absurdity and horse-play seems to serve very well to blind the eyes of the public to the big things going on behind the scenes; for example the late Vincent Cartwright Vickers, once Deputy-Lieutenant of this City, a director of the great British armament firm of Vickers, Ltd., and a director of the Bank of England from 1910 to 1919, in his "Economic Tribulation" published 1940, lays the wars of the world on the door-step of the City. ... Among local authorities the corporation is unique. Not only is it the oldest in the country, but it operates on a non-party political basis through its Lord Mayor, aldermen and members of the Common Counsel.” (By the way these people all have to come from the Guilds and the Merchants.) “The Lord Mayor plays an important diplomatic role with his overseas visits and functions at the Guild Hall and Mansion House for visiting Heads of State.” In fact, under the established protocol, the Queen or King of England must bow to the Lord Mayor when the monarch visits inside “The City”—more properly known as the Crown. That the British people and the British Parliament have little to say in the foreign affairs of the British Empire, and that the people of the British Empire must fight when International Finance and the City blow the trumpet, appears from the paean of praise by Andrew Carnegie, in his book: "Triumphant Democracy," published in 1886: ‘My American readers may not be aware of the fact that, while in Britain an act of Parliament is necessary before works for a supply of water or a mile of railway can be constructed, six or seven men can plunge the nation into war, or, what is perhaps equally disastrous, commit it to entangling alliances without consulting Parliament at all. This is the most pernicious, palpable effect flowing from the monarchial theory, for these men do this in 'the king's Name,' who is in theory still a real monarch, although in reality only a convenient puppet, to be used by this cabal at pleasure to suit their own needs. The birth date of modern England is considered to be 1066 - the Battle of Hastings – where William the Conqueror forever blended Normans with the Anglo Saxons. London’s population had dwindled down to less than 12,000 people at the time of this battle. “The City” is on the north side of the river, across from the southern bank area we now know as the suburb of Westminster, which is where the rulers of England established their capitol—Westminster, not London. So, “corporation” and King were segregated early in the game. Shortly after William the Conqueror established the British Throne in 1066, history tells us it didn’t take long for the “Merchant Guilds” of London to flex their economic muscle—muscle, incidentally that is known as Mercantilism. In 1097 William the Conqueror died and his brother Henry needed the support of the London merchants. So King Henry went to them and said he would give them “the right to levy taxes and elect the Sheriff” in exchange for support and some cash. Now, let’s be practical. The merchant class and Mercantilism got to be powerful wherever they were because they supplied the needs of everyday people, and earned good money doing it. In the Middle Ages the merchants brought in and marketed all the textiles, spices, salt, dyes, etc.—whatever people wanted and needed. The Mercantile class was not a new social phenomenon; throughout all history the merchants have often ranked as high, or higher, than courtly aristocrats. It didn’t take long for the Mercantile class to realize that they had the power of lending—extending credit—the most powerful manipulative tool of history. And somewhere very early in man’s history the mercantilists and the priests got together to maintain control of the human economy, and they have never relinquished that control. ...in the year 1191, around the time of the first crusade when King Richard I (the Lion-Hearted) was forced to acknowledge the right of self-government and the election of the first mayor of the City of London. Obviously he needed a big loan to outfit an army to make the third crusade to the Holy Land. These London Merchants formed a corporation and established bylaws favoring the various guilds and Freemasons. For the next three centuries they dominated trade, and the Throne of England. For example, in 1461 the Crown supported Edward IV, who was so grateful, he “Knighted” everyone in the “High Cabal.” For about 300 years London had plenty of competition with the Hanseatic League, a group of merchants in certain cities of Northern Europe. The intrigues among these international mercantilists remain part and parcel of today’s geopolitical agenda. From the 14th to the 19th centuries the European economy was dominated by a sequence of leading mercantile cities; Venice followed by Antwerp, Genoa, Amsterdam and finally London. The growth of London’s population was phenomenal. Paris didn’t grow in relation to the rest of France like London grew. Nor did Amsterdam grow in relation to the rest of Northwest Europe as London did. According to the World History Almanac: “The exceptional position of London may account for the rapid development of the English economy in the late 17th and 18th centuries at a time when London was absorbing half the natural increase of the entire population of the British Isles.” Family dynasties holding the Throne of England are well-known— Plantagenet, Tudor, Stuart, Hanover, Windsor etc—however, the family dynasties in charge of the Crown have never been broadcast for public consumption. For example, Queen Elizabeth I (a Tudor) is lauded in history books for her exceptional expansion of British power before such a thing as “Empire” was even contemplated. She is credited for taking the “seas” away from Spain and starting “Brittania” of on its way to world dominance. But in truth she did nothing. The Crown financed and outfitted the ships and established the corporations of future conquest. Sir Francis Drake and Sir Walter Raleigh were creations of “credit” not necessarily of the Queen. While Catholic “missions” were in the vanguard of Spanish conquest in the Americas, the British intrusion into areas of “discovery” were always under the aegis of a “corporation.” Every colony began as a business enterprise. The famous Hudson Bay Company and East India Company are well known to every student of history, however, the absolute connection to the extenders of credit is played down in history books. Incidentally, just before Elizabeth, during the reign of the unfortunate Mary Queen of Scots in 1556, another important event took place in “The City.” Thomas Gresham, a “mercer” which is one who deals in textiles, started an international exchange—to sell stocks and bonds. In 1560, under Elizabeth, the exchange became the Royal Exchange and it is now housed in a massive Victoria building beside the Bank of England Museum in Mansion House Square, the City of London. The financial connection to the lending center need not be explained, I would hope. Elizabeth was the last of the Tudor monarchs as her successor, James I, was a Stuart. Like all the monarchs, the Stuarts had money problems. This family of rulers occupied the Throne when something took place that changed traditional Monarchy forever; and the Crown was square in the middle of it—handling all the credit. One of the most important events in modern history—a people putting their King on trial and executing him occurred in 1649. Two things made this extraordinary event happen. One, the Crown financed parliament in the civil war against the King. Two, English speaking people had begun reading the Tyndale Bible then the King James version of the Bible during the decades previous to the popular uprising against royalty. Interestingly, after the wars when Oliver Cromwell was the Lord Protector and the single most powerful individual in all of England, the Crown flatly refused to loan his government any more money. So, whom would you say was calling the shots? John Cabot’s voyage for the Crown was 1497, just a few years after Columbus. So the British corporation had their guy ready to go too. It didn’t take long for the word to get around. Spain was the first to try controlling the oceans, but they didn’t have what it takes. The City of London based East India Company was formed in 1600. It was the brainchild of Levant Company Merchants. The Levant Company in London dealt with everything in the Levant—Lebanon, Palestine, Syria, Turkey, Jordan, and Egypt—a very important part of the world, indeed. ... The Crown fought to maintain its monopoly over worldwide marketing and merchandising and trade for 250 years. In truth, these Mercantilists had no loyalty to any nation. They created and sold nations as they pleased, merely by extending credit. Today, the United States of America is nothing more than a mercenary for the high cabal out of the City of London. To best illustrate that allegation, lets move into the 20th century. In 1902, as the century turned, the Russians and the Japanese were having a little war. The Japanese won because of a navy battle—one of the most lopsided naval battles in the history of the world. The Japanese utterly crushed the Russian fleet. What most people don’t know is that the Japanese fleet was built by Vickers and financed entirely by the Crown. You see, the Crown had turned the Japanese, into “mercenaries” for their major interest, which was to keep mighty, land-locked Russia away from the world’s seas. As the 20th century dawned, the British navy was over-extended, so the Crown created a pacific fleet for itself via Japan. For 150 years the most important part of the world to the Crown was India. These elite mercantilists never made so much profit as they did off of the Raj. The corporate entities of London raped this huge sub continent of more wealth than we can imagine any one group of people could steal from another. The East India Company at one point employed no fewer than twelve million people as they produced goods for western markets. The “spice” trade had evolved into a medicine and drug trade, and opium had become the Crown jewel. Gandhi finally came along and the Crown decided to give India its independence. It was cheaper to let Gandhi pretend independence and loan both Pakistan and India the money than it was to finance more direct wars. The fact India and Pakistan have never stopped needing financial aid in order to keep bickering kept cash flow control where it had been for the two previous centuries. ... This brief look at the history of this entity tells me that the enemy of all people is the high cabal in the Crown’s boardroom who extend the world credit via all their central banks. They have designed and built their new world order. After World War Two the people “wanted peace in our lifetime” and the Crown gave us the United Nations. Slowly they have constructed a world government, have they not?

by **Dreams End** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 1:41 am

hi madeupname! I think you left out one vital piece of the puzzle. This is another article from Mr. Valentine's site. So refreshing to see it spelled out so clearly, isn't it? <blockquote>Quote:<hr> British Israel would like for us to be so busy on this nonsense that we will not have time to find out that our real enemy is not the Jew as such, but the Jew’s religion. For if we understand the Jew’s religion, then we can understand the British Israel plot to take over the world through the use of it because its final goal is the earthly kingdom of God, so-called. We could then, even understand their political agendas—Regional government, NATO, Atlantic Union, World Trade Organization, United Nations, World Bank and all other moves to merge counties, states, or countries along with the Ecclesiastical Ecumenical movement — as being a coordinated stratagem to bring about One World—supposedly to be under God’s law. British Israel doesn’t want us to understand that the Jew’s religion is our real enemy until it is too late for us to save our country, and that is why they have Jew-baiters, to keep us occupied with wrangling on false flag controversies. The Jew’s religion – Phariseeism -- is based on the tradition of their fathers, which Jesus said made the commandments of His father “of none effect.” (Mark 7). The Jew’s religion is what Paul practiced when he was killing Christians, and said that he “...profited in the Jew’s religion above many of my equals in mine own nation, being exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.” (Gal. 1:14) Paul was a Pharisee and the son of a Pharisee (Acts 23:6) but when the Lord called him to preach the Spiritual Kingdom of God to the gentiles, he quit practicing the Jew’s religion, which was of the “flesh,” and never did he revert back to it. On the contrary he suffered greatly and finally was killed because he continued to preach Christ crucified for our sins and ressurected from the dead. --------skipping for brevity to get to THIS SHOCKING CONCLUSION---- Now Jew Billy Graham, having become a Jew by accepting and preaching the Jew’s religion, is one of the most useful and powerful tools of the Jew British Empire; for with his great influence on the masses of the people, he conditions them to look for and accept, when it comes, the earthly kingdom of God under the rulership of Christ (?). So that when the coordinated efforts of our British Israel politicians (traitors to country), our British Israel preachers (traitors to God, the Son, and our country), and all other cohorts in the scheme, have brought about the one world brotherhood of the Millennial reign, and the people have accepted it – then the Jew British Empire can step out in the open as the real rulers of the world – not Jesus Christ after all! <hr></blockquote> WOW! Who knew??? <a href="http://www.tomvalentine.com/html/jew-bait.html">www.tomvalentine.com/html/jew-bait.html</a> And there's something vaguely familiar about this whole original post...but I can't quite put my finger on it....

by **madeupname452** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 2:56 am

no i deliberately left out all the 'opinion'about religion and concentrated on history and economics because i am NOT interested in sterile debate about a Deity and followers of that Deity.I fear that this thread will now descend into tedious bickering about zionism and antisemitism. to paraphrase :the crown would like for us to be so busy on this nonsense that we will not have time to find out that our real enemy is not the adherent of any particular religion but the Crown. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=madeupname452>madeupname452</A> at: 3/17/06 12:08 am

by **Gouda** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 8:51 am

"religious opinion-neither vital nor refreshing" What happens to the history and economics of Mr. Valentine when he clearly feels vitalised and refreshed by such religious opinions? I am not here for a debate about antisemitism or zionism - I am no friend of either anti-semites or zionists. I am also anti-central banking, anti-capitalist, anti-aristocracy and pro-many other things - so actually, the historical-economic subjects Mr. Valentine discuss are relevant and interesting to me. But here, I am interested in how strongly a writer's focus, accuracy, and judgement is guided by his/her religio-racist fervor, bias and conviction. I think it is vital in gauging the credibility of a source, especially on such touchy issues. If our sources are interested in Deity perception management, perhaps we should consider how this shades his/her thinking.

by **Dreams End** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 12:17 pm

madeupname says: <blockquote>Quote:<hr>the crown would like for us to be so busy on this nonsense that we will not have time to find out that our real enemy is not the adherent of any particular religion but the Crown<hr></blockquote> Evidently, Valentine's historical analysis suggests to him: <blockquote>Quote:<hr>British Israel doesn’t want us to understand that the Jew’s religion is our real enemy until it is too late for us to save our country,<hr></blockquote> Elite manipulation of history was, of course, the primary and accepted mode of operation up until fairly recently in historical terms...how else could you even define a monarchy? And it is reasonable to assume that it continues, despite overt attempts at genuine democracy and pretend attempts at same. But this sort of article does more to obscure then enlighten... And, of course, that's usually the point of them... No offense to mr. Madeupname who fell for it. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=dreamsend@rigorousintuition>Dreams End</A> at: 3/17/06 9:27 am

by **slimmouse** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 8:46 pm

A friend pointed me to this earlier and suggested we attempt to bridge this apparent Juxtaposition ; And did those feet in ancient time Walk upon England's mountains green? And was the holy Lamb of God On England's pleasant pastures seen? And did the Countenance Divine Shine forth upon our clouded hills? And was Jerusalem builded here Among these dark Satanic mills? Bring me my bow of burning gold! Bring me my arrows of desire! Bring me my spear! O clouds, unfold! Bring me my chariot of fire! I will not cease from mental fight Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand Till we have built Jerusalem In England's green and pleasant land Some versions (including Blake's original) have "strife" rather than "fight". This is considered to be one of England's most popular patriotic songs, often being used as an alternative anthem. It is variously associated with English nationalism, anti-modernism, post-modernism, socialist ideals, and Christianity, thereby holding a rather odd position. Jerusalem is the official anthem of the British National Party and the British Women's Institute, and historically was used by the National Union of Suffrage Societies. All acknowledgements etc to the following link ; <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/</a> And_did_those_feet_in_ancient_time

by **antiaristo** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 9:35 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>But this sort of article does more to obscure then enlighten... And, of course, that's usually the point of them... No offense to mr. Madeupname who fell for it.<hr></blockquote> Well now, Mr Dreams End. WHAT does it obscure? Your thoughts and evidence, if you please.

by **Dreams End** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:05 pm

Well, as always, anti, you claim far more insight into Freemasonry than I do. So, assuming that the Crown engages in plots (which surely they do) and that Freemasons are somehow part of it (which could be true, but I don't HAVE evidence about) then I would suggest that calling the Jewish religion "the real enemy" would obscure that information. And, I would further assume that you would be very interested in making sure that sort of obfuscation doesn't occur. So, unless you concur that the real enemy is, as the article clearly states, the Jewish religion, then I imagine you would be the one who'd like to help mr. Madeupname get some clarity on this issue. Or perhaps you simply agree with the article, in which case, madeupname will have to go elsewhere for that clarity. And for those new to this debate, I would simply point out that for some reason my lack of knowledge of Masonic secrets is consistently used as evidence that I'm some shill for Freemasonry. It makes the brain hurt...so try not to think about that too hard. I can, by the way, completely buy the idea of the Crown using this sort of symbolism. In fact ALL OF CHRISTIANITY has borrowed the imagery of Israel and Jerusalem as spiritual metaphors...and I find that, actually, to be somewhat problematic in many ways. And further, I can completely buy the idea that Freemasonry is a part of the puzzle. I don't have access to who is and who is not a Freemason, but others on this board claim to. I didn't even imagine they released that info to the public. so, enlighten away, there anti.... you're the one who claims to know their secrets...not I.

by **antiaristo** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:12 pm

Mr Dreams End, I asked you about YOUR words. Your thoughts and evidence concerning WHAT is being obscured, if you please.

by **madeupname452** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:28 pm

What makes you think I fell for anything Mr Dreamsend?If I have fallen into anything it was the delusion that the thread would not be diverted from its topic-the economic history of the crown . The religious cultic aspects of the crown are very worthy of discussion.I respectfully suggest you go and start a new thread on that topic.

by **Dreams End** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:34 pm

It was valentine who posted that...the guy you quoted. Since he provides no sources for his info we must determine if he's trustworthy. Since I think his view of Judaism as the real enemy is bunk, I suggest we reject his unsupported thesis. Anti- I DON'T KNOW! I also don't know how to tell you that any clearer. I know there are elite machinations, but I don't know nor claim to know who all the players are or their ultimate goal. When I see suggestive connections, I've posted them...but I don't claim to know of a single, overarching, centralized plot to rule the world. In fact, I don't think there is one...but that's not the same as rejecting the idea of secret conspiracies and elite plots... Here's an exercise for you. 1. When did Freemasonry start...the real Freemasonry, if you don't think the fraternal organization that began in the 1700's is the whole story? 2. What is the real force behind them? 3. How did they "coopt" the Crown and gain control? My answers: 1. 1717 or so 2. Well to do folks who were already in some positions of power. So while Freemasonry may be a force of it's own, it may also be that those in power were just into such fraternal organizations. So, it could be like blaming my local country club for being the center of an elite conspiracy. 3. I don't know that they have...but I guess you do...so why don't you let us know?

by **antiaristo** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 11:00 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>But this sort of article does more to obscure then enlighten... And, of course, that's usually the point of them... No offense to mr. Madeupname who fell for it.<hr></blockquote> <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Mr Dreams End, I asked you about YOUR words. Your thoughts and evidence concerning WHAT is being obscured, if you please.<hr></blockquote> <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Anti- I DON'T KNOW! I also don't know how to tell you that any clearer<hr></blockquote> Mr Dreams End, That is not a high level of debate. Certainly not sufficient to justify patronising a fellow member. I think you owe 452 an apology. But those are MY standards. Yours may differ.

by **Dreams End** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 12:59 am

Sorry, anti. I was too busy studying evil Jewish religious books. I'll try harder next time. Glad to see you and madeupname are on the same page. No surprise there. good luck fighting the evil jewish religion.

by **StarmanSkye** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 1:27 am

WhOa! This opens one helluva pandora's box ... Curious, that further research finds historical footnotes on the Crown as pre-eminent world-dominant corporation assembled and provided by religious, 'spiritual' associations, linked with traditional earnest, 'authentic' Christian and Muslim interests, ie. the implication being that they recognize the danger of a monstrous fraud being perpetrated and so hold it to the light of day. The following link examines how American Courts are subject to and 'owned' by the Templars of the Crown -- and the Declaration of Independence is an artful deception formalizing the Crown's rule over the territories and subjects via the granting of letters of charters and patents, viz: "The Crown Colonies were granted to “persons” and corporations of the Crown Temple through Letters Patent and Charters, and the North American Colonial land was owned by the Crown." To the extent that these little-known and mostly unacknowledged legal claims are in-force, they could explain the apparant failure of US political and legal institutions to uphold the letter as well as the spirit of law re: human and civil rights, issues of social justice and corporate accountability, the selective discounting of International Laws and treaties re: prosecution of war crimes, atrocities, violations of sovereignty, and the deference paid/bias that priveleges powerful and wealthy interests above the rights of an average individual or the 'ordinary public'. As Crown Templar Knights, both Bush 43 and Clinton are members-in-good-standing paying fealty to what is essentially a private, secret club with unparalleled economic power and political/legal authority. To the extent that the Queen is an esteemed member of the Crown's Inner and Middle Temples, there would seem to be a direct link there between the Sate and Crown via the Treason Felony Act -- and one would assume also with the State Secrets Act re: keeping the Crown's absolute God-given claim to authority secret from the public, on a 'need to know' basis -- because after all, it IS antithetical to the premise of a democracy by the people FOR the people. For the elite insiders, the Crown's authority would seem to provide the perfect rationalization for ANY seeming crime or fraud or lie -- because one is doing all this to bring God's Kingdom to Earth. For that WAS the Templars founding motive, perpetuated through the Royal Monarchy's public rituals and pageantry reflecting that same sacred covenant, to rule on God's behalf. In this light, Blair's and Bush's recent protestations that they committed war on Iraq by way of doing God's bidding acquires a whole 'nother dimension of significance. Starman ****** <a href="http://www.worldnewsstand.net/history/The_Crown_Temple.htm">www.worldnewsstand.net/hi...Temple.htm</a> --quote-- The Templars of the Crown The governmental and judicial systems within the United States of America, at both federal and local state levels, is owned by the “Crown,” which is a private foreign power. Before jumping to conclusions about the Queen of England or the Royal Families of Britain owning the U.S.A., this is a different “Crown” and is fully exposed and explained below. We are specifically referencing the established Templar Church, known for centuries by the world as the “Crown.” From this point on, we will also refer to the Crown as the Crown Temple or Crown Templar, all three being synonymous. First, a little historical background. The Temple Church was built by the Knights Templar in two parts: the Round and the Chancel. The Round Church was consecrated in 1185 and modeled after the circular Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem. The Chancel was built in 1240. The Temple Church serves both the Inner and Middle Temples (see below) and is located between Fleet Street and Victoria Embankment at the Thames River. Its grounds also house the Crown Offices at Crown Office Row. This Temple “Church” is outside any Canonical jurisdiction. The Master of the Temple is appointed and takes his place by sealed (non-public) patent, without induction or institution. All licensed Bar Attorneys - Attorners (see definitions below) – in the U.S. owe their allegiance and give their solemn oath in pledge to the Crown Temple, realizing this or not. This is simply due to the fact that all Bar Associations throughout the world are signatories and franchises to the international Bar Association located at the Inns of Court at Crown Temple, which are physically located at Chancery Lane behind Fleet Street in London. Although they vehemently deny it, all Bar Associations in the U.S., such as the American Bar Association, the Florida Bar, or California Bar Association, are franchises to the Crown. The Inns of Court (see below, The Four Inns of Court) to the Crown Temple use the Banking and Judicial system of the City of London - a sovereign and independent territory which is not a part of Great Britain (just as Washington City, as DC was called in the 1800’s, is not a part of the north American states, nor is it a state) to defraud, coerce, and manipulate the American people. These Fleet Street bankers and lawyers are committing crimes in America under the guise and color of law (see definitions for legal and lawful below). They are known collectively as the “Crown.” Their lawyers are actually Templar Bar Attornies, not lawyers. The present Queen of England is not the “Crown,” as we have all been led to believe. Rather, it is the Bankers and Attornies (Attorneys) who are the actual Crown or Crown Temple. The Monarch aristocrats of England have not been ruling sovereigns since the reign of King John, circa 1215. All royal sovereignty of the old British Crown since that time has passed to the Crown Temple in Chancery. The U.S.A. is not the free and sovereign nation that our federal government tells us it is. If this were true, we would not be dictated to by the Crown Temple through its bankers and attornies. The U.S.A. is controlled and manipulated by this private foreign power and our unlawful Federal U.S. Government is their pawn broker. The bankers and Bar Attorneys in the U.S.A. are a franchise in oath and allegiance to the Crown at Chancery - the Crown Temple Church and its Chancel located at Chancery Lane - a manipulative body of elite bankers and attorners from the independent City of London who violate the law in America by imposing fraudulent “legal” - but totally unlawful - contracts on the American people. The banks Rule the Temple Church and the Attorners carry out their Orders by controlling their victim’s judiciary. Since the first Chancel of the Temple Church was built by the Knights Templar, this is not a new ruling system by any means. The Chancel, or Chancery, of the Crown Inner Temple Court was where King John was, in January 1215, when the English barons demanded that he confirm the rights enshrined in the Magna Carta. This City of London Temple was the headquarters of the Templar Knights in Great Britain where Order and Rule were first made, which became known as Code. Remember all these terms, such as Crown, Temple, Templar, Knight, Chancel, Chancery, Court, Code, Order and Rule as we tie together their origins with the present American Temple Bar system of thievery by equity (chancery) contracts. “Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.” -Matthew 23:27 By what authority has the “Crown” usurped the natural sovereignty of the American people? Is it acceptable that the U.S. Supreme Court decides constitutional issues in the U.S.A? How can it be considered in any manner as being “constitutional” when this same Supreme Court is appointed by (not elected) and paid by the Federal U.S. Government? As you will soon see, the land called North America belongs to the Crown Temple. The legal system (judiciary) of the U.S.A. is controlled by the Crown Temple from the independent and sovereign City of London. The private Federal Reserve System, which issues fiat U.S. Federal Reserve Notes, is financially owned and controlled by the Crown from Switzerland, the home and legal origin for the charters of the United Nations, the International Monetary Fund, the World Trade Organization, and most importantly, the Bank of International Settlements. Even Hitler respected his Crown bankers by not bombing Switzerland. The Bank of International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland controls all the central banks of the G7 nations. He who controls the gold rules the world. Definitions you never knew: --snip-- Globally, all the legalistic scams promoted by the exclusive monopoly of the Temple Bar and their Bar Association franchises come from four Inns or Temples of Court: the Inner Temple, the Middle Temple, Lincoln's Inn, and Gray's Inn. These Inns/Temples are exclusive and private country clubs; secret societies of world power in commerce. They are well established, some having been founded in the early 1200’s. The Queen and Queen Mother of England are current members of both the Inner Temple and Middle Temple. Gray’s Inn specializes in Taxation legalities by Rule and Code for the Crown. Lincoln’s Inn received its name from the Third Earl of Lincoln (circa 1300). Just like all U.S. based franchise Bar Associations, none of the Four Inns of the Temple are incorporated - for a definite and purposeful reason: You can’t make claim against a non-entity and a non-being. They are private societies without charters or statutes, and their so-called constitutions are based solely on custom and self-regulation. In other words, they exist as secret societies without a public “front door” unless you’re a private member called to their Bar. While the Inner Temple holds the legal system franchise by license to steal from Canada and Great Britain, it is the Middle Temple that has legal license to steal from America. This comes about directly via their Bar Association franchises to the Honourable Society of the Middle Temple through the Crown Temple. From THE HISTORY OF THE INN, Later Centuries, [p.6], written by the Honourable Society of the Middle Temple, we can see a direct tie to the Bar Association franchises and its Crown signatories in America: “Call to the Bar or keeping terms in one of the four Inns a pre-requisite to Call at King's Inns until late in the 19th century. In the 17th and 18th centuries, students came from the American colonies and from many of the West Indian islands. The Inn's records would lead one to suppose that for a time there was hardly a young gentleman in Charleston who had not studied here. Five of the signatories to the Declaration of Independence were Middle Templars, and notwithstanding it and its consequences, Americans continued to come here until the War of 1812”. All Bar Association licensed Attorneys must keep the terms of their oath to the Crown Temple in order to be accepted or “called to Bar” at any of the King’s Inns. Their oath, pledge, and terms of allegiance are made to the Crown Temple. It’s a real eye opener to know that the Middle Inn of the Crown Temple has publicly acknowledged there were at least five Templar Bar Attornies, under solemn oath only to the Crown, who signed what was alleged to be an American Declaration of Independence. This simply means that both parties to the Declaration agreement were of the same origin, the Crown Temple. In case you don’t understand the importance of this, there is no international agreement or treaty that will ever be honored, or will ever have lawful effect, when the same party signs as both the first and second parties. It’s merely a worthless piece of paper with no lawful authority when both sides to any agreement are actually the same. In reality, the American Declaration of Independence was nothing more than an internal memo of the Crown Temple made among its private members. By example, Alexander Hamilton was one of those numerous Crown Templars who was called to their Bar. In 1774, he entered King's College in New York City, which was funded by members of the London King’s Inns, now named Columbia University. In 1777, he became a personal aide and private secretary to George Washington during the American Revolution. In May of 1782, Hamilton began studying law in Albany, New York, and within six months had completed a three year course of studies, passed his examinations, and was admitted to the New York Bar. Of course, the New York Bar Association was/is a franchise of the Crown Temple through the Middle Inn. After a year's service in Congress during the 1782-1783 session, he settled down to legal practice in New York City as Alexander Hamilton, Esqr. In February of 1784, he wrote the charter for, and became a founding member of, the Bank of New York, the State's first bank. He secured a place on the New York delegation to the Federal Convention of 1787 at Philadelphia. In a five hour speech on June 18th, he stated “an Executive for life will be an elective Monarch”. When all his anti-Federalist New York colleagues withdrew from the Convention in protest, he alone signed the Constitution for the United States of America representing New York State, one of the legal Crown States (Colonies). One should particularly notice that a lawful state is made up of the people, but a State is a legal entity of the Crown - a Crown Colony. This is an example of the deceptive ways the Crown Temple - Middle Templars - have taken control of America since the beginning of our settlements. Later, as President Washington’s U.S. Treasury Secretary, Hamilton alone laid the foundation of the first Federal U.S. Central Bank, secured credit loans through Crown banks in France and the Netherlands, and increased the power of the Federal Government over the hoodwinked nation-states of the Union. Hamilton had never made a secret of the fact that he admired the government and fiscal policies of Great Britain. Americans were fooled into believing that the legal Crown Colonies comprising New England were independent nation states, but they never were nor are today. They were and still are Colonies of the Crown Temple, through letters patent and charters, who have no legal authority to be independent from the Rule and Order of the Crown Temple. A legal State is a Crown Temple Colony. Neither the American people nor the Queen of Britain own America. The Crown Temple owns America through the deception of those who have sworn their allegiance by oath to the Middle Templar Bar. The Crown Bankers and their Middle Templar Attornies Rule America through unlawful contracts, unlawful taxes, and contract documents of false equity through debt deceit, all strictly enforced by their completely unlawful, but “legal”, Orders, Rules and Codes of the Crown Temple Courts, our so-called “judiciary” in America. This is because the Crown Temple holds the land titles and estate deeds to all of North America. The biggest lie is what the Crown and its agents refer to as “the rule of law”. In reality, it is not about law at all, but solely about the Crown Rule of all nations. For example, just read what President Bush stated on November 13, 2001, regarding the “rule of law:” “Our countries are embarked on a new relationship for the 21st century, founded on a commitment to the values of democracy, the free market, and the rule of law.” - Joint Statement by President George W. Bush and President Vladimir V. Putin on 11/13/01, spoken from the White House, Washington D.C. What happened in 1776? "Whoever owns the soil, owns all the way to the heavens and to the depths of the earth." - Old Latin maxim and Roman expression. 1776 is the year that will truly live in infamy for all Americans. It is the year that the Crown Colonies became legal Crown States. The Declaration of Independence was a legal, not lawful, document. It was signed on both sides by representatives of the Crown Temple. Legally, it announced the status quo of the Crown Colonies to that of the new legal name called “States” as direct possessive estates of the Crown (see the definitions above to understand the legal trickery that was done). The American people were hoodwinked into thinking they were declaring lawful independence from the Crown. Proof that the Colonies are still in Crown possession is the use of the word “State” to signify a “legal estate of possession.” Had this been a document of and by the people, both the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution would have been written using the word “states”. By the use of “State,” the significance of a government of estate possession was legally established. All of the North American States are Crown Templar possessions through their legal document, signed by their representation of both parties to the contract, known as the Constitution of the United States of America. All “Constitutional Rights” in America are simply those dictated by the Crown Temple and enforced by the Middle Inn Templars (Bar Attorners) through their franchise and corporate government entity, the federal United States Government. When a “State Citizen” attempts to invoke his “constitutional”, natural, or common law “rights” in Chancery (equity courts), he is told they don’t apply. Why? Simply because a State citizen has no rights outside of the Rule and Codes of Crown “law”. Only a state citizen has natural and common law rights by the paramount authority of God’s Law. The people who comprise the citizenry of a state are recognized only within natural and common law as is already established by God’s Law. Only a State Citizen can be a party to an action within a State Court. A common state citizen cannot be recognized in that court because he doesn’t legally exist in Crown Chancery Courts. In order to be recognized in their State Courts, the common man must be converted to that of a corporate or legal entity (a legal fiction). Now you know why they create such an entity using all capital letters within Birth Certificates issued by the State. They convert the common lawful man of God into a fictional legal entity subject to Administration by State Rules, Orders and Codes (there is no “law” within any Rule or Code). Of course, Rules, Codes, etc. do not apply to the lawful common man of the Lord of lords, so the man with inherent Godly law and rights must be converted into a legal “Person” of fictional “status” (another legal term) in order for their legal - but completely unlawful – State Judiciary (Chancery Courts) to have authority over him. Chancery Courts are tribunal courts where the decisions of “justice” are decided by 3 “judges”. This is a direct result of the Crown Temple having invoked their Rule and Code over all judicial courts. “It is held to be a settled Rule, that our courts can not take notice of any title to land not derived from the State or Colonial government, and duly verified by patent.” -4 Johns. Rep. 163. Jackson v. Waters, 12 Johns. Rep. 365. S.P. The Crown Temple was granted Letters Patent (see definition above) and Charters (definition below) for all the land (Colonies) of New England by the King of England, a sworn member of the Middle Temple (as the Queen is now). Since the people were giving the patent/charter corporations and Colonial Governours such a hard time, especially concerning Crown taxation, a scheme was devised to allow the Americans to believe they were being granted “independence.” Remember, the Crown Templars represented both parties to the 1776 Declaration of Independence; and, as we are about to see, the latter 1787 U.S. Constitution. To have this “Declaration” recognized by international treaty law, and in order to establish the new legal Crown entity of the incorporated United States, Middle Templar King George III agreed to the Treaty of Paris on September 3, 1783, “between the Crown of Great Britain and the said United States”. The Crown of Great Britain legally was, then and now, the Crown Temple. This formally gave international recognition to the corporate “United States”, the new Crown Temple States (Colonies). Most important is to know who the actual signatories to the Treaty of Paris were. Take particular note to the abbreviation “Esqr.” following their names (see above definition for ESQUIRE) as this legally signifies “Officers of the King’s Courts”, which we now know were Templar Courts or Crown Courts. This is the same Crown Templar Title given to Alexander Hamilton (see above). The Crown was represented in signature by “David Hartley, Esqr.”, a Middle Templar of the King’s Court. Representing the United States (a Crown franchise) by signature was “John Adams, Esqr”, “Benjamin Franklin, Esqr.” and “John Jay, Esqr.” The signatories for the “United States” were also Middle Templars of the King’s Court through Bar Association membership. What is plainly written in history proves, once again, that the Crown Temple was representing both parties to the agreement. What a perfect and elaborate scam the people of North America had pulled on them! It becomes even more obvious when you read Article 5, which states in part, “to provide for the Restitution of all Estates, Rights, and Properties which have been confiscated, belonging to real British Subjects.” The Crown Colonies were granted to “persons” and corporations of the Crown Temple through Letters Patent and Charters, and the North American Colonial land was owned by the Crown. Now, here’s a real catch-all in Article 4: “It is agreed that creditors on either side shall meet with no lawful impediment to the recovery of the full value in sterling money of all bona fide debts heretofore contracted.” Since the Crown and its Templars represented both the United States, as the debtors, and the Crown, as the creditors, then they became the creditor of the American people by owning all debts of the former Colonies, now called the legal Crown States. This sounds too good to be true, but these are the facts. The words SCAM and HOODWINKED can’t begin to describe what had taken place. So then, what debts were owed to the Crown Temple and their banks as of 1883? In the Contract Between the King and the Thirteen United States of North America, signed at Versailles July 16, 1782, Article I states, “It is agreed and certified that the sums advanced by His Majesty to the Congress of the United States under the title of a loan, in the years 1778, 1779, 1780, 1781, and the present 1782, amount to the sum of eighteen million of livres, money of France, according to the following twenty-one receipts of the above-mentioned underwritten Minister of Congress, given in virtue of his full powers, to wit…” That amount equals about $18 million dollars, plus interest, that Hamilton’s U.S. Central Bank owed the Crown through Crown Bank loans in France. This was signed, on behalf of the United States, by an already familiar Middle Templar, Benjamin Franklin, Esquire. An additional $6 million dollars (six million livres) was loaned to the United States at 5% interest by the same parties in a similar Contract signed on February 25, 1783. The Crown Bankers in the Netherlands and France were calling in their debts for payment by future generations of Americans. The Fiscal Agents of Mystery Babylon Since its beginnings, the Temple Church at the City of London has been a Knight Templar secret society. It was built and established by the same Temple Knights who were given their Rule and Order by the Roman Pope. It’s very important to know how the British Royal Crown was placed into the hands of the Knights Templars, and how the Crown Templars became the fiscal and military agents for the Pope of the Roman Church. This all becomes very clear through the Concession Of England To The Pope on May 15, 1213.charter was sworn in fealty by England’s King John to Pope Innocent and the Roman Church. It was witnessed before the Crown Templars, as King John stated upon sealing the same, “I myself bearing witness in the house of the Knights Templars.” Pay particular attention to the words being used that we have defined below, especially charter, fealty, demur, and concession: We wish it to be known to all of you, through this our charter, furnished with our seal… not induced by force or compelled by fear, but of our own good and spontaneous will and by the common counsel of our barons, do offer and freely concede to God and His holy apostles Peter and Paul and to our mother the holy Roman church, and to our lord pope Innocent and to his Catholic successors, the whole kingdom of England and the whole kingdom Ireland, with all their rights and appurtenances… we perform and swear fealty for them to him our aforesaid lord pope Innocent, and his catholic successors and the Roman church… binding our successors and our heirs by our wife forever, in similar manner to perform fealty and show homage to him who shall be chief pontiff at that time, and to the Roman church without demur. As a sign… we will and establish perpetual obligation and concession… from the proper and especial revenues of our aforesaid kingdoms… the Roman church shall receive yearly a thousand marks sterling… saving to us and to our heirs our rights, liberties and regalia; all of which things, as they have been described above, we wish to have perpetually valid and firm; and we bind ourselves and our successors not to act counter to them. And if we or any one of our successors shall presume to attempt this, whoever he be, unless being duly warned he come to his kingdom, and this senses, be shall lose his right to the kingdom, and this charter of our obligation and concession shall always remain firm. Most who have commented on this charter only emphasize the payments due the Pope and the Roman Church. What should be emphasized is the fact that King John broke the terms of this charter by signing the Magna Carta on June 15, 1215. Remember; the penalty for breaking the 1213 agreement was the loss of the Crown (right to the kingdom) to the Pope and his Roman Church. It says so quite plainly. To formally and lawfully take the Crown from the royal monarchs of England by an act of declaration, on August 24, 1215, Pope Innocent III annulled the Magna Carta; later in the year, he placed an Interdict (prohibition) on the entire British empire. From that time until today, the English monarchy and the entire British Crown belonged to the Pope. The following definitions are all taken from Webster’s 1828 Dictionary since the meanings have not been perverted for nearly 200 years: --snip-- --unquote--

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