Info on Italy's CIA-backed Dual State - P2, Gelli, Gladio

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Re: FM30-31B

Postby chiggerbit » Mon Sep 11, 2006 12:16 pm

From Wiki (see link for entire article):<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Operation Gladio was a clandestine "stay-behind" operation sponsored by the CIA and NATO to counter communist influence after World War II in Italy, as well as in other European countries, which has been involved in various terrorist acts. While Gladio is usually used to refer to only the Italian "stay-behind", the term has also been applied to all other "stay-behind" operations. NATO stay-behind armies existed in all countries of Western Europe during the Cold War, including Turkey. Suspected at least since the 1984 revelations of Avanguardia Nazionale member Vincenzo Vinciguerra during his trial, Gladio’s existence was acknowledged by head of Italian government Giulio Andreotti on October 24, 1990, who spoke of a "structure of information, response and safeguard", with arms caches and reserve officers. Further investigations revealed links to neofascists, the mafia, Propaganda Due masonic lodge (aka P2), and the "strategia della tensione" followed in Italy during the 1970s–80s to block the electoral success of the Italian Communist Party (PCI).<br><br>Gladio has effectively been accused of trying to influence policies through the means of "false flags" operations: a 2000 Parliament Commission report from the Olive Tree coalition concluded that the strategy of tension followed by Gladio had been supported by the United States to "stop the PCI, and to a certain degree also the PSI (Italian Socialist Party), from reaching executive power in the country".<br><br>P2, whose existence was discovered in 1981, was closely linked to Gladio. According to a November 18, 1990 article by The Observer, quoted by Statewatch, "Declassified secret service papers reveal that Ted Shackleton, deputy chief of the CIA station in Rome in the 1970s introduced the notorious Licio Gelli – head of the neofascist P2 masonic lodge and for years a fugitive in Argentina – to General Alexander Haig, then Nixon's chief of staff, and later, from 1974 to 1979, NATO Supreme Commander. P2 was a right-wing shadow government, ready to take over Italy, that included four Cabinet Ministers, all three intelligence chiefs, 48 members of parliament, 160 military officers, bankers, industrialists, top diplomats and the Army Chief of Staff. After meetings between Gelli, Italian military brass and CIA men in the embassy, Gladio was given renewed blessing – and more money – by Haig and the then head of the National Security Council, Henry Kissinger. Just how those and later funds were spent is a key point in the Casson investigations." [1]<br><br>P2 was outlawed and disbanded in 1981, in the wake of the Banco Ambrosiano scandal, which was linked to the mafia and to the Vatican Bank. Its Grand Master, Licio Gelli, was involved in most of Italy’s scandals in the last three decades of the 20th century: Banco Ambrosiano’s krach; Tangentopoli, which gave rise to the Mani pulite ("Clean hands") anticorruption operation in the 1990s; the kidnapping and the murder of Prime minister Aldo Moro in 1978 – the head of the secret services at the time, accused of negligence, was a piduista (P2 member). Licio Gelli has often claimed he was a friend of Argentine President Juan Perón. In any case, some members of Jorge Videla’s junta were discovered to be piduista, such as José López Rega, founder of the infamous anticommunist terrorist organization Triple A, Raúl Alberto Lastiri or Emilio Massera. The Vatican Bank was also accused of funneling covert US funds for Solidarnosc in Poland and the Contras [2].<br><br>Furthermore, Gladio has been linked to other worldwide events, such as <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Operation Condor</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> and the 1969 <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>murder of anticolonialist leader Eduardo Mondlane</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> by Aginter Press, the Portuguese "stay-behind" secret armies. In 1995, attorney general Giovanni Salvi accused the Italian secret services of having manipulated proofs of the Chilean secret police’s (DINA) involvement in the <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>1975 terrorist attack on former Chilean vice-president Bernardo Leighton in Rome</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->. A similar mode of operation can also be recognized in various Cold War events, for example between the June 20, <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>1973 Ezeiza massacre in Buenos Aires (Argentina), the 1976 Montejurra massacre in Spain and the 1977 Taksim Square massacre in Istanbul (Turkey).</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>After Gladio’s official dismantlement following Giulio Andreotti's revelations, and the last meeting of the "Allied Clandestine Committee" (ACC), held according to the Italian Prime minister on October 23 and 24, 1990, various events have raised concerns about "stay-behind" armies still being in place. In 1990, Richard Brenneke, who claimed to be a CIA agent, <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>alleged that P2 was still active, and that it had, on the CIA’s behalf, murdered Swedish Prime Minister Olof Palme in 1986, because he had been caught in a deal between the CIA and Iran to release American hostages in Tehran (aka the "October Surprise" ). </strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> These comments brought political uproar, and were of course denied by the CIA. In 1996, the Belgian newspaper Le Soir revealed the existence of a racist plan operated by the military intelligence agencies. In 1999, Switzerland was suspected of again creating a clandestine paramilitary structure, allegedly to replace the former P26 and P27 (the Swiss branches of Gladio). Furthermore, in 2005, the Italian press revealed the existence of the Department of Anti-terrorism Strategic Studies (DSSA), accused of being "another Gladio".<br><br><br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=chiggerbit@rigorousintuition>chiggerbit</A> at: 9/11/06 10:28 am<br></i>
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Re: FM30-31B

Postby Dreams End » Mon Sep 11, 2006 12:32 pm

Does any of this tie in directly to the "massacre of the innocents" group in Belgium? Any international ties alleged to that group? I don't remember if Jeff had any info for that, but I do know that Dutroux mixed it up with rightwing political groups. <br><br>Just found this. A bit peripheral unless it starts to connect but I didn't know anything about this. Woman from Belgium dies as a "suicide bomber" in Iraq...from the same town Dutroux operated in? <br><br>Also, did Jeff mention US troops involved in a military operation in Belgium? I didn't remember that part if he did. Sorry for long post but there are several interesting connections here:<br> <!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Muriel Degauque and Charleroi<br>First let us look at Belgium and terrorism.<br><br><br><br>From <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.threemonkeysonline.com/">www.threemonkeysonline.com/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>threemon_article_nato_gladio_terrorism_strategy_of_tension.htm :<br><br>In Belgium, in 1984 a bizarre operation occurred around Vielsalm in the Ardennes region. A squad of US Marines were parachuted into Belgium, and met by a member of the Belgian military intelligence. They hid for a fortnight before attacking the police station of Vielsalm, in a so-called Oesling exercise, killing a Belgian officer. One marine was injured during the operation, losing an eye. Initially the attack was passed off as terrorism, but was later proven to be the work of the American and Belgian military - as confirmed by the Senate investigations of 1991. Other attacks occured, where, as was the case in Vielsalm, arms and ammunition were taken. Arms that found their way subsequently to extremist groups.<br><br>One central question in the Belgian Senate investigation into the stay-behind network was whether it had been involved in the so-called Brabant Massacres of the 1980s. These were a group of attacks that occured in the area around Brussels called Brabant over a period of two years. Jewellers, restaurants, and in a number of cases supermarkets were attacked by a gang of heavily armed and ruthless men. In all the attacks very small amounts of money were taken, while "at the same time massive brutality and professionalism was employed" [NATO's Secret Armies pg 139]. For example, on November 9th 1985 on a busy Saturday, three armed hooded men entered a supermarket and started shooting. Eight people were killed, some while trying to escape. The money taken from the raid amounted to a couple of thousand pounds, and was found dumped in a canal in an unopened sack...<br><br>An official report published on the Brabant Massacres in 1990, before the discovery of the secret army network, had concluded that the killers had official links: “According to the report, the killers were members or former members of the security forces – extreme right-wingers who enjoyed high-level protection and were preparing a right-wing coup” [NATO’s Secret Armies, pg 145]<br><br>~~<br><br>Muriel Degauque, the Belgian woman who allegedly died in Baghdad at the age of 38, grew up near the Belgian factory town of Charleroi. Marc Dutroux, who allegedly had links to the security services, owned properties in Charleroi.<br><br>The story of Muriel Degauque's alleged death varies according to which sources are examined. Some newspapers get her name wrong and call her Dalgaugue.<br><br>US military sources reported that Degauque died during an attack on US soldiers, none of whom were killed. Family of Belgian suicide bomber raided<br><br>A spokesman for the Belgian police's terrorism investigation team confirmed to CNN that Muriel Degauque, identified and pictured by Le Derniere Heure newspaper, was believed to be the suicide bomber who targeted an American patrol on November 9th.Editors Weblog - Print Journalism<br><br>Other reports claim that she died during an attack on an Iraqi police patrol. <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1656041,00.html">www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/S...41,00.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>"Muriel Degauque's life came to an end just over three weeks ago on a roadside in Baquba, north of Baghdad, when she blew herself up in an attack on an Iraqi police patrol on November 9. Five policemen were killed outright and a sixth officer and four civilians were seriously injured."<br><br>According to The Guardian the security services examined her body and "uncovered a treasure trove of documents which eventually led Belgian police to knock on her parents' front door at 6.00am on Wednesday. Her passport, which featured a striking image of a European woman, told the security forces that insurgents in Iraq had succeeded in recruiting a new type of suicide bomber. Travel papers showed that Muriel and her husband had travelled from Belgium to Iraq overland by car from Turkey." <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1656041,00.html">www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/S...41,00.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>It is strange that she should leave behind documents for the authorities to examine. Would an explosion have destroyed her passport?<br><br>Her parents were told nothing for three weeks. <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1656041,00.html">www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/S...41,00.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Degauque married Issam Goris, who was born in Belgium to Moroccan parents, and followed him to Morocco.<br><br>“They told us that they had a house in Morocco and some horses, and a Mercedes and three motorbikes..." said Degauque's mother. <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.iimcr.org/index.cfm?pageID=2&articleID=1438">www.iimcr.org/index.cfm?p...cleID=1438</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>According to an article in The Sunday Times: Neighbours of Muriel’s parents rarely saw the young couple, but were taken aback when they did: on a couple of occasions they arrived at the family home in a luxurious white Mercedes. <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2092-1902761,00.html">www.timesonline.co.uk/art...61,00.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>In Morocco, the sort of people who drive Mercedes are usually connected to the right-wing military and the police. The majority of the population live in poverty.<br><br>Deguaque had a classic profile for recruitment by the security services as a 'patsy'. "She had a drug problem when she was younger, she had no real job, and was not very close to her family."<br><br>As a child, Degauque used to run away from home. She became estranged from her family. <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1656041,00.html">www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/S...41,00.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>~~<br><br>In 1979 Dutroux was convicted of drug dealing. In 1986 Dutroux was convicted of sexual crimes involving teenage girls. In 1983, Muriel Degauque would have been in her mid teens.<br><br>There is no evidence that Degauque had any links to Dutroux.<br><br>However, it is interesting that as an adolescent, Degauque frequently ran away from home. “One time I had to go 170km to get her back from the Ardennes,” M Degauque said. <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.iimcr.org/index.cfm?pageID=2&articleID=1438">www.iimcr.org/index.cfm?p...cleID=1438</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> .<br><br>Child abuse is not unknown in the Ardennes.<br><br>From The Times, 1 Febuary 2002 'Shamed by the Marc Dutroux paedophilia scandal, Belgium watched aghast yesterday as another lurid child sex trial opened on its territory. Nineteen people living in or near the picturesque Ardennes village of Sainte-Ode appeared in the dock, charged with having sex with a 12-year-old girl and other minors.'<br><br>Celine Saison, 18, and Manyana Thumpong, 13, are among those who have disappeared in the French Ardennes and whose bodies were later found in unmarked graves.<br><br>~~<br><br>What do we learn from the story of Dutroux and Charleroi? We know that young girls disappeared from the Charleroi area and that the authorities could not be trusted. There was a lot of child abuse. There have been allegations that the security services were using young girls in order to control certain top people linked to NATO.<br><br>Michel Nihoul allegedly organised orgies in a Belgian chateau - orgies allegedly attended by a former European commissioner, judges, senior politicians, lawyers and policemen. Nihoul was reportedly one of the accomplices of Marc Dutroux.<br><br>Regina Louf testified to the authorities about orgies at which she allegedly saw children tortured and murdered.<br><br>Guy Poncelet is a judge. His son, a police officer, was mysteriously shot dead. This son had been investigating a case involving Dutroux.<br><br>Judge Connerotte was the judge who caught Dutroux.<br><br>The authorities removed Connerotte from the case.<br><br>De Baets was the official in charge of investigating Regina louf. The authorities removed him from the case.<br><br>In 1991, Belgium's former deputy prime minister, Andre Cools, announced that he was about to make some revelations about the mafia and their links to some of the most important people in Liege.<br><br>Cools was shot dead. Before he could speak out.<br><br>After Dutroux's arrest in 1996, arrests were made in the Cool's case. One of those arrested was Alain Van der Biest, a Socialist Minister, alleged to have close links with the mafia gangs of Liege.<br>Belgian TV came up with an anonymous witness who claimed that leading Socialist politician, Guy Mathot, had ordered Cools to be killed.<br><br>In 1994 Mathot was charged with corruption over kickbacks paid to Belgium's Socialist parties.<br><br>Willy Claes was NATO Secretary General and a Belgian. He was caught up in the Mathot kickbacks business and was forced to resign.<br><br>Who is Melchior Wathelet? It was top judge Wathelet who released Dutroux from prison in 1991. Wathelet was Belgium's judge at the European Court of Justice. Wathelet was Belgium's Justice Minister at the time when Cools was shot dead. Cools' son called for Wathelet and other top judges to be removed from office. In 1996 there were suggestions that the gangs involved in the Cools' killing had been involved with Dutroux.<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2005_11_27_aangirfan_archive.html">link</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: FM30-31B

Postby chiggerbit » Mon Sep 11, 2006 12:33 pm

See link for entire article.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.copi.com/articles/guyatt/gladio.html">www.copi.com/articles/guyatt/gladio.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>"...World War Two had barely ground to a final halt when, in 1947, Allied strategists set about planning for World War Three. Even as British and US intelligence officials scoured Europe seeking to apprehend Nazi's wanted on war crimes charges, other more secretive US and British intelligence units were actively engaged in helping those same Nazi's to escape. <br><br>The means of escape were the Vatican run "Ratlines." Operated with the knowledge and blessing of highly placed US and British government officials, the Ratlines guided 30,000 wanted Nazi's to sanctuary. Safe haven locations included the US, Britain, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the favourite bolt hole of them all: South America. <br><br>Those who reached safety in this manner read like a "Who's Who" of the most wanted Nazi war criminals. Klaus Barbie, the cruel Gestapo officer known as the "Butcher of Lyons;" Franz Stangl, Commandant of the notorious Treblinka extermination camp; Gustav Wagner Commandant of Sorbibor extermination camp; Alois Brunner, a brutal official in the Jewish deportation programme. Of the most famous to escape along the ratlines were Adolf Eichmann, the chief architect of the "Holoucast" and Dr Joseph Mengele, the "White Angel" of Auschwitz concentration camp. Not least was Deputy Fuhrer Martin Bormann. Incredibly, an entire Waffen SS division - the notorious "Galician Division" - consisting of 8000 men were smuggled to England and given "free settler" status. <br><br>Secretly granted immunity these and thousands of other battle hardened Nazi soldiers were to form the fighting nucleus of a top secret Allied contingency group conceived by the first Director of the CIA, Allen Dulles. Loosely known as operation "Stay Behind," the idea was to build a Europe wide secret network of anti communist guerrillas who would fight behind the lines in the event of a Soviet invasion. The plan was later codified under the umbrella of the Clandestine Co-ordinating Committee of the Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe (SHAPE), the military arm of NATO. <br><br>US planners worried over the growing influence of Italy's large and popular communist party, established Operation "Gladio" in 1956. The name derived from the short sword used by Roman legionnaires 2000 years earlier, and was almost certainly drawn from the crest of SHAPE which features two swords arranged in an "A" shape. The Gladio network was operated by the secret services and initially funded by the US Central Intelligence Agency. 622 people were recruited and trained by US and British specialists in Sardinia. It is believed that up to 15,000 members were ultimately recruited to the Gladio network.<br><br>By 1972, with the prospect of a Soviet invasion receding, a decision was taken to "make a pre-emptive attack" on the Italian communist party - who had polled 27% in that year's election - and who would go on to increase their vote to 35% just four years later. There immediately followed a series of bomb outrages signalling the beginning of a "strategy of tension," designed to shift Italian politics sharply to the right. In April 1972 a Fascist bomb attack killed three carabinieri. In November 1973, an Argo 16 aircraft was destroyed in a mid-air explosion...."<br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=chiggerbit@rigorousintuition>chiggerbit</A> at: 9/11/06 10:48 am<br></i>
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Re: FM30-31B

Postby Rigorous Intuition » Mon Sep 11, 2006 12:48 pm

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>did Jeff mention US troops involved in a military operation in Belgium? </em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>No I didn't, but I probably should have. I wanted to keep the focus on Brabant so I didn't introduce that weird joint operation, but in retrospect it would have helped provide context.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: FM30-31B

Postby chiggerbit » Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:18 pm

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"...The means of escape were the Vatican run "Ratlines." Operated with the knowledge and blessing of highly placed US and British government officials, the Ratlines guided 30,000 wanted Nazi's to sanctuary. Safe haven locations included the US, Britain, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the favourite bolt hole of them all: South America...."<br><br>"...Secretly granted immunity these and thousands of other battle hardened Nazi soldiers were to form the fighting nucleus of a top secret Allied contingency group conceived by the first Director of the CIA, Allen Dulles. Loosely known as operation "Stay Behind," the idea was to build a Europe wide secret network of anti communist guerrillas who would fight behind the lines in the event of a Soviet invasion...."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br><br>What amazes me about this is how "anti-communism" rose to become a much more significant priority than anti-naziism or anti-fascism. It just seems so illogical to me. What was WWII all about? I ask this seriously. Was it about who gets to control the fascists, instead of being against fascism, naziism? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: FM30-31B

Postby chiggerbit » Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:40 pm

See link for entire article about "Pinay Cercle".<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://home.planet.nl/~reijd050/organisations/Cercle/1999_David_Guyatt_Circle_of_power.htm">home.planet.nl/~reijd050/..._power.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>"... The "Cercle" was unknown until 1500 internal documents of the rightist (and Le Cercle funded) Institute for the Study of Conflict, were leaked to Time Out Magazine in 1975. Subsequently the documents have gone missing. At the time ISC was headed by CIA agent and "Cercle" Chairman, Brian Crozier who was heavily involved in another covert action group known simply as "The 61." 5<br><br>Unknown to Crozier, Hans von Machtenburg (a pseudonym) a senior intelligence official of Germany’s Intelligence service, BND, (and a member of Crozier’s "61") had been exchanging full reports on Crozier’s secret get-together’s with Hans Langemann, formerly a senior ranking officer of Germany’s Intelligence Service, the BND and latterly Head of Bavarian State Security. In a fit of depression, Langemann blew the whistle on a number of alarming and sinister conspiracies to the left wing German glossy magazine Kronket. Soon the story was picked up by Der Spiegel who featured it. One of Langemann’s more sensational reports, dated 1979, stated:<br><br>Specific aims within this framework are to affect a change of government<br><br>(a) in the United Kingdom - accomplished<br>(b) in West Germany - to defend freedom of trade and of movement and to oppose all forms of subversion including terrorism.6<br><br>In another secret memorandum dated 8th November 1979 and addressed "Personal for the state minister only", Langemann notes that "Crozier worked with the CIA for years." He concludes, therefore "that they are fully aware of his activities" and goes on to observe that Crozier "has extensive connections with members, or more accurately, with former members, of the most important western security and intelligence services." Further on he advises that Crozier, together with "Dickie Franks, Director of Britain’s SIS, and Nicholas Elliot, a senior department head in MI6 "were recently invited to Chequers (the country home of the incumbent Prime Minister, in this case Margaret Thatcher) for a working meeting." Langemann continues: "It must therefore be concluded that MI6 is fully aware of, if not indeed one of the main sponsors of" Crozier’s "diverse circle of friends in international politics..."<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Additional subjects covered in the Langemann papers include the "involvement of the main intelligence and security agencies both as information sources and as recipients for information in these institutions" as well as "undercover financial transactions for political aims" that would be utilised by conducting "international campaigns aiming to discredit hostile personalities or events," the "creation of a (private) intelligence service specialising according to a selective point of view" and the "establishment of offices under suitable cover each run by a corordinator from the central office.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> Current plans cover London, Wasgington, Paris, Munich and Madrid." The plans also called for "provision of contributions by certain well-known journalists in Britain, the US and other countries" and the organisation of "public demonstrations in particular areas on themes to be decided and selected." 7 The Cercle and their Chairman, Crozier, clearly had lined-up a whole strategy of political "actions" that were not only known about, but approved by the western intelligence community, in additional to leading political figures including Prime Minister Thatcher and Presidential candidate Reagan. In his autobiography Crozier regales us with his repeat visits to the White House to meet senior administration figures. In 1980 he flew to California to meet Reagan and "brief him" on his network and to offer his services when he became President. Crozier stayed in close touch during the election with William Casey, Reagan’s campaign chief, later appointed DCI of the Central Intelligence Agency. After Reagan’s election victory he appointed Californian friend, William A. Wilson, to act as a his liaison with the Cercle and the related 61 group.8<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The Cercle has intimate connections with a host of inter-locking right wing outfits including WACL, Heritage Foundation, Western Goals, ISC, Freedom Association, Interdoc, Bilderbergers, Propaganda Due (P2), Opus Dei, the Moonies and the Jonathan Institute</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->. Many of these are funded fully or in part by the American Central Intelligence Agency. Members have included Nicholas Elliott (British SIS/MI6 Dept. Head), the CIA’s Director of Central Intelligence William Colby, Colonel Botta, (Swiss Military Intelligence), Franz Josef Strauss (German Defence Minister, Head of CSU party and Bavarian Premier), Alfredo Sanchez Bella (head of European operations for Spain’s Secret Service and closely connected to Opus Dei), Giulio Andreotti (former Italian Prime Minister, P2 member and Mafia confidant), General Antonio de Spinola (head of the Portugese putschists), Silva Munoz (former Franco minister and senior Opus Dei member), Monsignore Brunello (Vatican prelate and BNG agent) and Stefano della Chiaie, leading member of P2 and Italy’s Secret Service, SID.9. This list is by no means complete...."<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: FM30-31B

Postby chiggerbit » Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:58 pm

Interesting, journalist David Teacher named Watergate as one of the subjects of a deliberate destabilizing operation.<br><br><br><br>"...Journalist, David Teacher, a keen investigator of Cercle activities observes: "It is becoming more and more apparent that the treatment reserved for Harold Wilson at the hands of the intelligence services was only the U.K end of an international phenomenon. Around 1975 a surprising number of government were targeted by their own (or others’) intelligence agencies because of their radical policies."12 He goes on to list a number of known "destabilisation" programmes that the Cercle are known, or believed, to have been involved:<br><br>* "the UK: the concerted efforts by elements in the British intelligence and security services, with CIA and BOSS, to bring down Wilson, Thorpe and Heath." 13<br>* the USA: the CIA’s Operation Chaos, the FBI’s Cointelpro programme and, of course, Watergate.<br>* Australia: the loans scandal and other destabilisation of Gough Whitlam by the CIA and SIS."<br><br>Additional Cercle targets may have been Olaf Palme, Sweden’s Prime Minister. In 1987 the leading Swedish newspaper Dagens Nyheter carried a sensational story that the 03 section of the Swedish intelligence service, SAPO, were heavily involved in Palme’s assassination, following their fury at his policy of détente towards the Soviet Union, and possibly fearful that he may discover the extent of their implication in arms sales to Iran. Other "direct actions" possibly include a Coup d’etat in Belgium during 1973. 'planned by gendarmerie officers and extreme right-wing groups....'"<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: FM30-31B

Postby chiggerbit » Mon Sep 11, 2006 5:57 pm

One of the reasons that I find it interesting to see Watergate mentioned as one of the "destabilisation" programmes" is because I keep asking myself if Agnew was the first "item" to be taken out in the Watergate plan.<br><br>I have yet to see any connection to JFK's assassination. What would be interesting is to see what opinions these people, or even Opus Dei, had of Kennedy, the first and last Catholic president. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=chiggerbit@rigorousintuition>chiggerbit</A> at: 9/11/06 3:59 pm<br></i>
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Re: FM30-31B

Postby chiggerbit » Mon Sep 11, 2006 6:41 pm

So, when you compare 9/11 to the Gladio puzzle, is it like trying to put a square puzzle piece in a round space, or is it like putting a square piece in a square space? It's almost like the last piece of a puzzle, one of those biggies that fills the whole diningroom table, a piece which you don't even have to give a great deal of time in figuring out where it goes. It just plops into place. I've never really bought into the MIHOP theory, was pretty much in the LIHOP side but willing to listen. But in reading about this Left Behind program and Gladio, I admit it puts 9/11 into a different perspective for me. <p></p><i></i>
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P2 Lodge and the Strategy of Tension

Postby robertdreed » Mon Sep 11, 2006 7:48 pm

It was researching the extensive record of the doings of the Propaganda Due Lodge and the Strategy of Tension that motivates my ongoing suspicions about a top-level "Western" power conspiracy manipulating the events of 9/11/2001, more than any single piece of evidence. <br><br>Because if you take a look at what's been proven, you know what they're capable of. <br><br>And, as I reminded some conventioneer Masons riding in my cab in Sacramento a couple of years ago, "Licio Gelli's still playing golf." <p></p><i></i>
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Re: P2 Lodge and the Strategy of Tension

Postby robertdreed » Mon Sep 11, 2006 7:54 pm

Speaking of the P2 where's emad, been, lately? He used to post every third thread with some stem-winding absurdist fantasy tale connected to Gelli and the P2...sort of a combination snow-blower, fog machine, squid ink dispenser and mighty outta tune skating rink Wurlitzer, all at once. <br><br>You remember those tales, the ones that go something like "George Bush is Lico Gelli's half-brother, except he was assassinated and his bastard third cousin took his place in 1963, right after his insane stepchild, whose mother was Eva Braun, was adopted by Barbara Bush and raised as..." wait, I need to start over... <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 9/11/06 5:58 pm<br></i>
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Re: P2 Lodge and the Strategy of Tension

Postby chiggerbit » Mon Sep 11, 2006 8:26 pm

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Because if you take a look at what's been proven, you know what they're capable of.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> <br><br>Yep, that's it in a nutshell. <br><br>Emad? Heehee, no, I must have a bad memory. Well, I KNOW I do. But wait, was that the one where GW is the son of somebody else? Can't remember who the heck the father was supposed to be.<br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=chiggerbit@rigorousintuition>chiggerbit</A> at: 9/11/06 6:29 pm<br></i>
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Re: P2 Lodge and the Strategy of Tension

Postby chiggerbit » Mon Sep 11, 2006 10:29 pm

You know, Robert, I did post a thread just for you a couple of weeks ago, but you never did bite. <p></p><i></i>
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funny thing

Postby smithtalk » Mon Sep 11, 2006 10:45 pm

for two years i have talked to my girlfriend about my initial belief that it was LIHOP, <br>and then how that morphed strongly into MIHOP and she has listened and held that it was interesting but without good evidence she simply couldnt believe it and an everest sized pile of circumstantial evidence wasnt good enough,<br>last week i sent her the text of the EU resolution trying to end gladio<br>and the other night after watching v for vendetta i started talking to her about italy whose history she knows quite well and i talked to her about licio gelli, aldo moro, gladio and p2 leading to berlesconi, and about the wave of bombings like bologna,<br>and it seemed for the first time she realised and accepted that the parralel power exists and is prepared to blow people up for tactical advantage and that 9/11 really did fit into that kind of picture<br>it seemed as though a quantuum leap had occured <p></p><i></i>
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Re: funny thing

Postby chiggerbit » Mon Sep 11, 2006 10:58 pm

It's not that I haven't come across Gladio before, but I just never got into it because it seemed so complicated. <br><br>Actually, what really got me to digging was William Colby's involvement in the Scandavian one, then him later being posted to Italy (yeah, right, tell me it wasn't for Gladio), and then later his assignment to Vietnam and his development in the Phoenix Program. You have to dig into that one to believe it. Horrendous. So, just from my knowledge of Phoenix caused me some ....hmm, distrust of Colby's supposed liberal leanings. I'll have to dig in my files for some of his history. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=chiggerbit@rigorousintuition>chiggerbit</A> at: 9/11/06 9:01 pm<br></i>
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