by Dreams End » Mon Sep 11, 2006 12:32 pm
Does any of this tie in directly to the "massacre of the innocents" group in Belgium? Any international ties alleged to that group? I don't remember if Jeff had any info for that, but I do know that Dutroux mixed it up with rightwing political groups. <br><br>Just found this. A bit peripheral unless it starts to connect but I didn't know anything about this. Woman from Belgium dies as a "suicide bomber" in Iraq...from the same town Dutroux operated in? <br><br>Also, did Jeff mention US troops involved in a military operation in Belgium? I didn't remember that part if he did. Sorry for long post but there are several interesting connections here:<br> <!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Muriel Degauque and Charleroi<br>First let us look at Belgium and terrorism.<br><br><br><br>From <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.threemonkeysonline.com/">www.threemonkeysonline.com/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>threemon_article_nato_gladio_terrorism_strategy_of_tension.htm :<br><br>In Belgium, in 1984 a bizarre operation occurred around Vielsalm in the Ardennes region. A squad of US Marines were parachuted into Belgium, and met by a member of the Belgian military intelligence. They hid for a fortnight before attacking the police station of Vielsalm, in a so-called Oesling exercise, killing a Belgian officer. One marine was injured during the operation, losing an eye. Initially the attack was passed off as terrorism, but was later proven to be the work of the American and Belgian military - as confirmed by the Senate investigations of 1991. Other attacks occured, where, as was the case in Vielsalm, arms and ammunition were taken. Arms that found their way subsequently to extremist groups.<br><br>One central question in the Belgian Senate investigation into the stay-behind network was whether it had been involved in the so-called Brabant Massacres of the 1980s. These were a group of attacks that occured in the area around Brussels called Brabant over a period of two years. Jewellers, restaurants, and in a number of cases supermarkets were attacked by a gang of heavily armed and ruthless men. In all the attacks very small amounts of money were taken, while "at the same time massive brutality and professionalism was employed" [NATO's Secret Armies pg 139]. For example, on November 9th 1985 on a busy Saturday, three armed hooded men entered a supermarket and started shooting. Eight people were killed, some while trying to escape. The money taken from the raid amounted to a couple of thousand pounds, and was found dumped in a canal in an unopened sack...<br><br>An official report published on the Brabant Massacres in 1990, before the discovery of the secret army network, had concluded that the killers had official links: “According to the report, the killers were members or former members of the security forces – extreme right-wingers who enjoyed high-level protection and were preparing a right-wing coup” [NATO’s Secret Armies, pg 145]<br><br>~~<br><br>Muriel Degauque, the Belgian woman who allegedly died in Baghdad at the age of 38, grew up near the Belgian factory town of Charleroi. Marc Dutroux, who allegedly had links to the security services, owned properties in Charleroi.<br><br>The story of Muriel Degauque's alleged death varies according to which sources are examined. Some newspapers get her name wrong and call her Dalgaugue.<br><br>US military sources reported that Degauque died during an attack on US soldiers, none of whom were killed. Family of Belgian suicide bomber raided<br><br>A spokesman for the Belgian police's terrorism investigation team confirmed to CNN that Muriel Degauque, identified and pictured by Le Derniere Heure newspaper, was believed to be the suicide bomber who targeted an American patrol on November 9th.Editors Weblog - Print Journalism<br><br>Other reports claim that she died during an attack on an Iraqi police patrol. <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1656041,00.html">www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/S...41,00.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>"Muriel Degauque's life came to an end just over three weeks ago on a roadside in Baquba, north of Baghdad, when she blew herself up in an attack on an Iraqi police patrol on November 9. Five policemen were killed outright and a sixth officer and four civilians were seriously injured."<br><br>According to The Guardian the security services examined her body and "uncovered a treasure trove of documents which eventually led Belgian police to knock on her parents' front door at 6.00am on Wednesday. Her passport, which featured a striking image of a European woman, told the security forces that insurgents in Iraq had succeeded in recruiting a new type of suicide bomber. Travel papers showed that Muriel and her husband had travelled from Belgium to Iraq overland by car from Turkey." <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1656041,00.html">www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/S...41,00.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>It is strange that she should leave behind documents for the authorities to examine. Would an explosion have destroyed her passport?<br><br>Her parents were told nothing for three weeks. <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1656041,00.html">www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/S...41,00.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Degauque married Issam Goris, who was born in Belgium to Moroccan parents, and followed him to Morocco.<br><br>“They told us that they had a house in Morocco and some horses, and a Mercedes and three motorbikes..." said Degauque's mother. <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.iimcr.org/index.cfm?pageID=2&articleID=1438">www.iimcr.org/index.cfm?p...cleID=1438</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>According to an article in The Sunday Times: Neighbours of Muriel’s parents rarely saw the young couple, but were taken aback when they did: on a couple of occasions they arrived at the family home in a luxurious white Mercedes. <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2092-1902761,00.html">www.timesonline.co.uk/art...61,00.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>In Morocco, the sort of people who drive Mercedes are usually connected to the right-wing military and the police. The majority of the population live in poverty.<br><br>Deguaque had a classic profile for recruitment by the security services as a 'patsy'. "She had a drug problem when she was younger, she had no real job, and was not very close to her family."<br><br>As a child, Degauque used to run away from home. She became estranged from her family. <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1656041,00.html">www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/S...41,00.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>~~<br><br>In 1979 Dutroux was convicted of drug dealing. In 1986 Dutroux was convicted of sexual crimes involving teenage girls. In 1983, Muriel Degauque would have been in her mid teens.<br><br>There is no evidence that Degauque had any links to Dutroux.<br><br>However, it is interesting that as an adolescent, Degauque frequently ran away from home. “One time I had to go 170km to get her back from the Ardennes,” M Degauque said. <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.iimcr.org/index.cfm?pageID=2&articleID=1438">www.iimcr.org/index.cfm?p...cleID=1438</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> .<br><br>Child abuse is not unknown in the Ardennes.<br><br>From The Times, 1 Febuary 2002 'Shamed by the Marc Dutroux paedophilia scandal, Belgium watched aghast yesterday as another lurid child sex trial opened on its territory. Nineteen people living in or near the picturesque Ardennes village of Sainte-Ode appeared in the dock, charged with having sex with a 12-year-old girl and other minors.'<br><br>Celine Saison, 18, and Manyana Thumpong, 13, are among those who have disappeared in the French Ardennes and whose bodies were later found in unmarked graves.<br><br>~~<br><br>What do we learn from the story of Dutroux and Charleroi? We know that young girls disappeared from the Charleroi area and that the authorities could not be trusted. There was a lot of child abuse. There have been allegations that the security services were using young girls in order to control certain top people linked to NATO.<br><br>Michel Nihoul allegedly organised orgies in a Belgian chateau - orgies allegedly attended by a former European commissioner, judges, senior politicians, lawyers and policemen. Nihoul was reportedly one of the accomplices of Marc Dutroux.<br><br>Regina Louf testified to the authorities about orgies at which she allegedly saw children tortured and murdered.<br><br>Guy Poncelet is a judge. His son, a police officer, was mysteriously shot dead. This son had been investigating a case involving Dutroux.<br><br>Judge Connerotte was the judge who caught Dutroux.<br><br>The authorities removed Connerotte from the case.<br><br>De Baets was the official in charge of investigating Regina louf. The authorities removed him from the case.<br><br>In 1991, Belgium's former deputy prime minister, Andre Cools, announced that he was about to make some revelations about the mafia and their links to some of the most important people in Liege.<br><br>Cools was shot dead. Before he could speak out.<br><br>After Dutroux's arrest in 1996, arrests were made in the Cool's case. One of those arrested was Alain Van der Biest, a Socialist Minister, alleged to have close links with the mafia gangs of Liege.<br>Belgian TV came up with an anonymous witness who claimed that leading Socialist politician, Guy Mathot, had ordered Cools to be killed.<br><br>In 1994 Mathot was charged with corruption over kickbacks paid to Belgium's Socialist parties.<br><br>Willy Claes was NATO Secretary General and a Belgian. He was caught up in the Mathot kickbacks business and was forced to resign.<br><br>Who is Melchior Wathelet? It was top judge Wathelet who released Dutroux from prison in 1991. Wathelet was Belgium's judge at the European Court of Justice. Wathelet was Belgium's Justice Minister at the time when Cools was shot dead. Cools' son called for Wathelet and other top judges to be removed from office. In 1996 there were suggestions that the gangs involved in the Cools' killing had been involved with Dutroux.<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2005_11_27_aangirfan_archive.html">link</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i></i>