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FAA: no shots fired

Postby Qutb » Thu Sep 01, 2005 9:29 pm

FAA saying that there were no shots fired. <br> <br>Lt. Col. Pete Schneider of the Louisiana National Guard said other evacuations were continuing and were not affected by trash fires burning outside the Superdome. Law enforcement officers will ride with the school buses, he said. <br><br>"At the Superdome, we have a report that one shot was fired at a Chinook helicopter," Schneider said, adding that the Chinook is "an extremely large aircraft." <br><br>Laura Brown, a Federal Aviation Administration spokeswoman in Washington, said she had no such report. <br><br>"We're controlling every single aircraft in that airspace and none of them reported being fired on," she said, adding that the FAA was in contact with the military as well as civilian aircraft. <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1087205">abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1087205</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br> <br> <p><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:black;font-family:century gothic;font-size:x-small;"><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Qutb means "axis," "pole," "the center," which contains the periphery or is present in it. The qutb is a spiritual being, or function, which can reside in a human being or several human beings or a moment. It is the elusive mystery of how the divine gets delegated into the manifest world and obviously cannot be defined.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></span><!--EZCODE FONT END--><br><br></p><i></i>
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re: No shots fired

Postby Starman » Thu Sep 01, 2005 9:51 pm

Oh My God.<br><br>This is TOO unbelieveable -- a readymade excuse to gain another day, waiting for the situation to 'resolve itself'?<br><br>If the FAA, which you would sure EXPECT to have acurate info, is correct, the implications are too horrible for words. CNN and FOX, anyway, has been making much of sniper-shots interfering with evacs, and reporters have commented on, and we've seen, a reduction in air-flights today, whether from high-winds or?<br><br>Is anyone realistically expecting the waters to recede on their own? Again (and again and again and again), they need at least 500 busses out a day to put a dent in this tragedy. What is so hard to grasp that they still don't get it -- unless it's being impeded on-purpose? People need to keep asking these critical questions -- why no boats or trucks? Cuz all of Louisianna's high-water equipment is in Iraq!?<br>Damn ...<br><br>To a huge extent, this tragedy is aggrvated by this nation's lack of Universal Health care, as hospitals don't want to accept indigent refugees needing medical treatment. What a fucking indictment of a once-proud, vigorous nation.<br>Starman <p></p><i></i>
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Re: re: No shots fired

Postby dbeach » Thu Sep 01, 2005 10:14 pm

maybe its all deliberate disinfo ordered by herr rovbels?<br><br>FAA FEMA CNN FOX propaganda for a price.. <p></p><i></i>
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noted

Postby AnnaLivia » Thu Sep 01, 2005 10:26 pm

thanks, Qutb. i have seen no confirmation of ANY of the alleged incidents of violence that they claim have kept them from rescuing people.<br><br>ARE there any confirmed incidents yet, that anyone here knows of? <p></p><i></i>
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violence

Postby rapt » Thu Sep 01, 2005 10:43 pm

Fed agencies (Coast Guard, Army) are not known to duck and run for cover in the face of domestic opposition, especially when it compromises the mission. That is unless the commander directs that it be so.<br><br>Chertoff.<br><br>Mission not to be accomplished, by order of the CO. <p></p><i></i>
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no shots?

Postby robertdreed » Fri Sep 02, 2005 1:30 am

That needs to be followed up on. Somewhere in the hierarchal bueaucratic chain- in the government or the media- something was fed into the system that had no business being there. <br><br>And how about this bit of elemental wisdom from George "Skull and Bones" W. Bush:<br><br>{i]“It’s devastating. It’s got to be doubly devastating on the ground.” <br><br><br>Yeah, that's George W. Bush, bestriding the Earth, like a colossus. <br><br>That's either the limit of his empathetic and compassionate abilities, which is really bad.<br><br>Or he's actively laughing at his victims, who include any ordinary citizen who stilll believe in him, which is worse. <br><br>"What keeps a man in bondage?"<br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 9/1/05 11:41 pm<br></i>
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Re: no shots?

Postby DrDebugDU » Fri Sep 02, 2005 5:11 am

They are building the case of urban violence and civil unrest and it'll be a prophecy which will soon become reality if they keep feeding the information.<br><br>I got the impression from reading DU that the people are ready to storm the Bastille. We have seen much outrage against the Bush administration, but the last couple of days are even more extreme, the people have had enough.<br><br>Let's throw in my favorite quote (used a number of times before)<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>The Third Option is not to have peace in the world, and not to have a full-scale world war. Instead, they wanted to cause worldwide instability, chaos and civil unrest in order to manipulate and control people and governments, including the United States; thus the creation of the domestic terrorist threat.<br><br>Gene Wheaton, "CIA: The Companies They Keep," Portland Free Press, July-October, 1996.<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>And the domestic threat is born again and even more effectively than during 9/11<br><br>Frontpage of <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.nola.com/">www.nola.com/</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> right now:<br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.nola.com/specialhome/314/090105_army.jpg"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br>That's a picture of martial law. Not a picture of people being rescued, but of a police state.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>...<br><br>At a press conference Thursday night, she said that 300 soldiers from the Arkansas National Guard arrived in New Orleans fresh from Iraq and are under orders to restore order from the “hoodlums.’’<br><br>She [Gov. Kathleen Blanco] said of the soldiers: “They have M-16s and they are locked and loaded. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>These troops know how to shoot to kill . . . and I expect they will</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->.’’<br><br>...<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.nola.com/newslogs/breakingtp/">www.nola.com/newslogs/breakingtp/</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://xs44.xs.to/pics/05355/PS.jpg"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br>Who is calling the shots?<br><br>Somehow I think that Bush wants riots and use the same tactics on the US which they have perfected in Iraq over the last couple of years. <p></p><i></i>
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re: no shots ...

Postby Starman » Fri Sep 02, 2005 7:28 am

WoW -- Helluva comment, DrDeBugDU -- Very chilly.<br><br>Some comments below that directly relate to this, from an excellant DKOS thread I've been posting pieces around that speak to and of my tumbled thoughts better than I can right now.<br>God, I'm HOPING we can change the evil Bush Inc. path of planned chaos.<br>Starman<br><br>From: <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://cindysheehan.dailykos.com/story/2005/9/2/31040/36581">cindysheehan.dailykos.com...1040/36581</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>This is not America <br>This is HELL.<br>This is DC politics amok.<br>This is utter DC disconnectedness squared.<br>This is proof that DC pols don't have a clue about Public Service. This is proof that this is a government of, by & for Multinational Corporations. This is about American Citizens without representation in Our Government. We have no representation.<br>We are ALL the People of NOLA on the dark streets. We Are All without food & water for going on 5 days. We Are ALL THOSE PEOPLE!<br>They are Us.<br>I am a well fed, comfortable in a dry house Starving Dehydrating Dying American on the desolate streets of NOLA.<br>I am drained. Dear God, take me now. I can't stand another minute of this punishment.<br>This is the naked truth about America. We don't give a shit. Our government could not care less about us. <br>My God. What has become of us?<br>The concept of war is outdated. Dalai Lama<br>by x on <br><br><br>maybe this is an exemplary case <br>establishing a new norm of governmental irresponsibility. and just like when Operation Iraqi Liberation established the doctrine of pre-emptive war, the focus of the administration is on obfuscating the terrible edge of what is occurring, so as not to provoke a contrary response. help is 'on the way,' while the apocalyptic nature of the situation does its work of establishing the new norm of lowered expectation.<br>There ought to be a science of discontent.<br>by dreamsign <br><br><br>There's a word nobody's using and it's easy to understand why. It sure looks like the administration 'deliberately' dragged it's feet, given the two day advance warning but what did they or anyone else stand to gain by doing so?<br>Record prices at the pump? Is anyone that callous?<br>It will be slow going putting the oil rigs back into operation but the human toll...there's just no excuse, or rational explanation...unless the administration is 'suddenly' concerned about adding to the deficit.<br>Superb diary!<br>Parties divide, movements unite.<br>by Gegner <br><br><br>it's done <br>The federal response to this situation has been catastrophic - the authorities were completely paralyzed during the most critical hours of this disaster. There has never been such a failure of leadership in a time of crisis - not once in our nation's history has this happened. <br>There is no excuse for this kind of a systematic collapse in authority, organization, or leadership. Not only was the possibility of this event a virtual gauarantee that everyone knew of beforehand, but we also KNEW that this particular storm was indeed the worst-case scenario before it even made landfall. <br>This is absolutely unforgivable. If there is not a moment of accountability, if heads do not roll in Washington and elsewhere for this, then I say we take a lesson from the people of New Orleans and take matters into our own hands instead of waiting for the bureacracy's bullshit to save us.<br>by Richard Carlucci <br><br><br>sic transit gloria mundi <br>Frankly, I don't think this entire country can be brought back to, say, the level it enjoyed in the 90s no more than Russia could return to its former stature once the slide had begun.<br>Too little, too late.<br>This rat left the sinking ship earlier this year and never felt so preescient. If another quake hits LA, I now know what we would have faced.<br>After Bush, if the Dems are any example, the best you can hope for is an American Yeltsin.<br>Welcome to the third world. Sic transit gloria mundi.<br>by Lupin <br><br><br>Volitile - this place could ignite literally <br>Imagine This is you. <br>You wanted to get out of town but your car was out of commission. No money to fix it fast. You got some food and water and hunkered down with you child to ride out the storm. Hallelujah! you made it. <br>Next thing you know folks are yelling to get out, the water is rising fast. You grab our little girl and some stuff, some pampers and bottles, whatever and you get out of there.<br>You heard go to the Dome...no, go to the Convention center and you followed the rules. You went. You sat. As an American, you know help is on the way. You've seen rescues before.<br>You sit and you wait. You chat with the other mothers and grandmothers. Swapping stories, sharing worries. But help is on the way. Hot day. Dark, sweltering night. Cramped in a corner for safety. You don't sleep really. No place decent to pee. The baby sits in wet pampers as you try to ration them out. Water everywhere. Another day passes. Help is on the way you hear. Great! Then another. You waited for buses that came but didn't stop. Nobody has told you why. Nobody can tell you nothing. The police speed away. You haven't really eaten in 4 days. It is hot, it stinks, dead bodies piling up around you. The stink is everywhere.<br>Days have passed. Sitting on some filthy street with your despondent baby in arms. No food to give her. No water. She is despondent. You look up from your perch and see the cameras on the roof. You've see the CNN guys taking pictures for days. You know the world knows your plight. Nobody can tell you anything. You talk to the other ladies youv's stuck with for safety. I am an American, damn it. I pay taxes and vote. Where is FEMA? Where is the Red Cross?<br>THe next thing you see are army trucks. Finally! Food and water. Folks start craning and standing, pushing, shoving. Some fool shoots a gun. Folks start running.The military jump out locked and loaded and aimed. RIOT! SHoot to KIll.<br>--------<br>John Roberts- You can't book a judge by his cover.<br>by digital drano <br><br>Oh, One More Thing, America... <br>From Antiwar.com: <br>As you're watching all this footage of people in Louisiana and Mississippi sleeping in overcrowded gymnasiums, their homes destroyed, loved ones missing, jobs lost... just remember that YOUR money is going to pay Gaza "settlers" $200,000 to $300,000 per family to relocate from their cushy housing projects along the Mediterranean. Think any of your fellow citizens will get a deal anywhere near that sweet? <br>link: <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.antiwar.com/blog/index.php?id=P2334">www.antiwar.com/blog/index.php?id=P2334</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>by Lupin <br><br><br> <br>The time has come --<br>"That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."<br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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The sun was shining on the sea

Postby rain » Fri Sep 02, 2005 8:34 am

Shining with all his might:<br>He did his very best to make<br>The billows smooth and bright -<br>|: And this was odd, because it was<br> The middle of the night. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :| --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/indifferent.gif ALT=":|"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>The moon was shining sulkily,<br>Because she thought the sun<br>Had got no business to be there<br>After the day was done -<br>'It's very rude of him,' she said,<br>'To come and spoil the fun!'<br><br>The sea was wet as wet could be,<br>The sands were dry as dry.<br>You could not see a cloud, because<br>No cloud was in the sky:<br>No birds were flying overhead -<br>There were no birds to fly.<br><br>The Walrus and the Carpenter<br>Were walking close at hand;<br>They wept like anything to see<br>Such quantities of sand:<br>'If this were only cleared away,'<br>They said, 'it would be grand!'<br><br>'If seven maids with seven mops<br>Swept it for half a year,<br>Do you suppose,' the Walrus said,<br>'That they could get it clear?'<br>'I doubt it,' said the Carpenter,<br>And shed a bitter tear.<br><br>'O Oysters, come and walk with us!'<br>The Walrus did beseech,<br>'A pleasant walk, a pleasant talk,<br>Along the briny beach:<br>We cannot do with more than four,<br>To give a hand to each.'<br><br>The eldest Oyster looked at him,<br>But never a word he said:<br>The eldest Oyster winked his eye,<br>And shook his heavy head -<br>Meaning to say he did not choose<br>To leave the oyster-bed.<br><br>But four young Oysters hurried up,<br>All eager for the treat:<br>Their coats were brushed, their faces washed,<br>Their shoes were clean and neat -<br>And this was odd, because, you know,<br>They hadn't any feet.<br><br>Four other Oysters followed them,<br>And yet another four;<br>And thick and fast they came at last,<br>And more, and more, and more -<br>All hopping through the frothy waves,<br>And scrambling to the shore.<br> The Walrus and the Carpenter<br>Walked on a mile or so,<br>And then they rested on a rock<br>Conveniently low:<br>And all the little Oysters stood<br>And waited in a row.<br><br>'The time has come,' the Walrus said,<br>'To talk of many things:<br>Of shoes - and ships - and sealing-wax -<br>Of cabbages - and kings -<br>And why the sea is boiling hot -<br>And whether pigs have wings.'<br><br>'But wait a bit,' the Oysters cried,<br>'Before we have our chat;<br>For some of us are out of breath,<br>And all of us are fat!'<br>'No hurry,' said the Carpenter.<br>They thanked him much for that.<br><br>'A loaf of bread,' the Walrus said,<br>'Is what we chiefly need:<br>Pepper and vinegar besides<br>Are very good indeed -<br>Now if you're ready, Oysters dear,<br>We can begin to feed.'<br><br>'But not on us!' the Oysters cried,<br>Turning a little blue.<br>'After such kindness, that would be<br>A dismal thing to do!'<br>'The night is fine,' the Walrus said.<br>'Do you admire the view?<br><br>It was so kind of you to come!<br>And you are very nice!'<br>The Carpenter said nothing but<br>'Cut us another slice:<br>I wish you were not quite so deaf -<br>I've had to ask you twice!'<br><br>'It seems a shame,' the Walrus said,<br>'To play them such a trick,<br>After we've brought them out so far,<br>And made them trot so quick!'<br>The Carpenter said nothing but<br>'The butter's spread too thick!'<br><br>'I weep for you,' the Walrus said:<br>'I deeply sympathize.'<br>With sobs and tears he sorted out<br>Those of the largest size,<br>Holding his pocket-handkerchief<br>Before his streaming eyes.<br><br>'O Oysters,' said the Carpenter,<br>'You've had a pleasant run!<br>Shall we be trotting home again?'<br>But answer came there none -<br>And this was scarcely odd, because<br>They'd eaten every one.<br><br>Lewis Carroll. Through the Looking-Glass. <br><br>o.k., what's going on? why is everybody rhyming?<br><br> <br> <p></p><i></i>
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