Blasts heard before levee broke

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Postby greencrow0 » Mon Sep 12, 2005 2:52 am

<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9287434/">www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9287434/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br><br>I remember reading scathing reviews like this of Nixon shortly before the roof caved in on his presidence....<br><br>'Did you ever think when the hurse went by...?"<br><br>GC<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START 0] --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/alien.gif ALT="0]"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br> <p></p><i></i>
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Longer version of story posted above (colquisp?)

Postby Pants Elk » Mon Sep 12, 2005 7:30 am

<br><br><br>New Orleans, LA -- Divers inspecting the ruptured levee walls surrounding New Orleans found something that piqued their interest: Burn marks on underwater debris chunks from the broken levee wall !<br><br>One diver, a member of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, saw the burn marks and knew immediately what caused them. When he surfaced and showed the evidence to his superior, the on-site Coordinator for FEMA stepped-in and said "You are not here to conduct an investigation as to why this rupture occurred, but only to determine how best to close it." The FEMA coordinator then threw the evidence back into the water and said "You will tell no one about this."<br><br>At that point, the diver went back down to do more inspection of the levee. On the second dive, he secreted a small chunk of the debris inside his wet suit and later arranged for it to be sent to trusted military friends at a The U.S. Army Forensic Laboratory at Fort Gillem, Georgia for testing.<br><br>According to well placed sources, a military forensic specialist determined the burn marks on the cement chunks did, in fact, come from high explosives. The source, speaking on condition of anonymity said "We found traces of boron-enhanced fluoronitramino explosives as well as PBXN-111. This would indicate at least two separate types of explosive devices."<br><br>The levee ruptures in New Orleans did not take place during Hurricane Katrina, but rather a day after the hurricane struck. Several residents of New Orleans and many Emergency Workers reported hearing what sounded like large, muffled explosions from the area of the levee, but those were initially discounted as gas explosions from homes with leaking gas lines.<br><br>If these allegations prove true, the ruptured levee which flooded New Orleans was a deliberate act of mass destruction perpetrated by someone with access to military-grade UNDERWATER high explosives. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: re: N.O. Floodwall Sabotaged

Postby toscaveritas » Mon Sep 12, 2005 8:59 am

VIDEO: Earwitness tells ABC explosives blew Industrial Canal levee<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Total411.info has obtained video of an ABC News report featuring an earwitness to explosives used to destroy the Industrial Canal in New Orleans. Here's the video, and here's the transcript:<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.total411.info/leveeboom.rm">www.total411.info/leveeboom.rm</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.total411.info/joe-edwards.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br>DAVID MUIR, ABC NEWS: This is the actual levee that runs along the canal on the eastern side of the city. And when the hurricane hit, the water came through at such force, it was apparently too much. You can see the massive breach here, and when you look around the corner you can see what the water did to the Lower Ninth Ward. It compleetley destoryed neighborhoods.<br><br>JOE EDWARDS, JR., 9TH WARD RESIDENT: I heard something go BOOM!<br><br>MUIR: Joe Edwards rushed to get himself and as many neighbors as possible into his truck. They drove to this bridge, where they've been living ever since<br><br>EDWARDS: My house broke in half. My mother's house just disintegrated. It was a brick house. All the houses down there floated down the street like somebody's guiding 'em<br><br>MUIR: Was it solely the water that broke the levee, or was it the force of this barge that now sits where homes once did? Joe Edwards says neither. People are so bitter, so disenfranchised in this neighborhood, they actually think the city did it, blowing up the levee to save richer neighborhoods like the French Quarter.<br><br>MUIR: So you're convinced . . .<br><br>EDWARDS: I know this happened!<br><br>MUIR: . . . they broke the levee on purpose?<br><br>EDWARDS: They blew it!<br><br>MUIR: New Orleans' mayor says there's no credence to this.<br><br>NEW ORLEANS MAYOR RAY NAGIN: That storm was so powerful and it pushed so much water, there's no way anyone could have calculated what levee to dynamite to have the kind of impact to save the French Quarter.<br><br>MUIR: An LSU expert who looked at the video today says, while the barge may have caused it, it was most likely the sheer force of the water that brought the levee along the Lower Ninth Ward down<br><br>original page:<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.total411.info/2005/09/video-earwitness-tells-abc-explosives.html">www.total411.info/2005/09/video-earwitness-tells-abc-explosives.html</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Levee system maps

Postby Nonny » Mon Sep 12, 2005 11:53 am

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Re:Would anyone like to post in this DU LBN story?

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Sep 13, 2005 11:22 pm

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1778478">www.democraticunderground...02x1778478</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><br>Mystery surrounds floodwall breaches <br> Sept 13, 2005<br><br>Could a structural flaw be to blame?<br><br>By John McQuaid<br>Staff writer<br><br>One of the central mysteries emerging in the Hurricane Katrina disaster is why concrete floodwalls in three canals breached during the storm, causing much of the catastrophic flooding, while earthen hurricane levees surrounding the city remained intact.<br><br>It probably will take months to investigate and make a conclusive determination about what happened, according to the Army Corps of Engineers. But two Louisiana State University scientists who have examined the breaches suggest that a structural flaw in the floodwalls might be to blame.<br><br>"Why did we have no hurricane levee failures but five separate places with floodwall failures?" asked Joseph Suhayda, a retired LSU coastal engineer who examined the breaches last week. "That suggests there may be something about floodwalls that makes them more susceptible to failure. Did (the storm) exceed design conditions? What were the conditions? What about the construction?"<br><br>Ivor Van Heerden, who uses computer models to study storm-surge dynamics for the LSU Hurricane Center, has said that fragmentary initial data indicate that Katrina's storm-surge heights in Lake Pontchartrain would not have been high enough to top the canal walls and that a "catastrophic structural failure" occurred in the floodwalls.<br><br>Corps project manager Al Naomi said that the Corps' working theory is that the floodwalls were well-constructed, but once topped they gave way after water scoured their interior sides, wearing away their earth-packed bases. But he said some other problem could have caused the breaches.<br><br> <br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=seemslikeadream@rigorousintuition>seemslikeadream</A> at: 9/13/05 9:23 pm<br></i>
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