Scientists: You Can't Modify Hurricanes

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Scientists: You Can't Modify Hurricanes

Postby nomo » Thu Sep 22, 2005 5:33 pm

(Yeah, right)<br><br><br><br>Scientists: You Can't Modify Hurricanes<br><br>By JOSEPH B. VERRENGIA, AP Science Writer <br><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050922/ap_on_sc/rita_wishful_thinking">news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050...l_thinking</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>DENVER - It sounds like a great idea: Let's just blast hurricanes like Rita and Katrina out of the sky before they hurt more people. Or, at least weaken the storms and steer them away from cities.<br><br>Atmospheric scientists say it's wishful thinking that we could destroy or even influence something as huge and powerful as a hurricane. They abandoned such a quest years ago after more than two decades of inconclusive <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>government-sponsored</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> research.<br><br>Private companies have conducted tests on a much smaller scale, but have made little progress despite initially claiming to erase storm clouds from the atmosphere.<br><br>"It would be like trying to move a car with a pea shooter," said hydrometeorologist Matthew Kelsch of the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder. "The amount of energy involved in a hurricane is far greater that anything we're going to impart to it."<br><br>The federal government's hurricane modification program was called Project Stormfury. The idea was raised during the Eisenhower administration after several major storms hit the East Coast in the mid-1950s, killing 749 people and causing billions in damages.<br><br>But it wasn't until 1961 that initial tests were conducted on Hurricane Esther with a Navy plane releasing silver iodide crystals. Some reports indicate winds were reduced by 10 percent to 30 percent.<br><br>During Stormfury, scientists also seeded hurricanes in 1963, 1969 and 1971 over the open Atlantic Ocean far from land.<br><br>Researchers dropped silver iodide, a substance that serves as an effective ice nuclei, into clouds just outside of the hurricane's eyewall. The idea was that a new ring of clouds would form around the artificial ice nuclei. The new clouds were supposed to change rain patterns and form a new eyewall that would collapse the old one. The reformed hurricane would spin more slowly and be less dangerous.<br><br>Sometimes, the experiments appeared to work. Hurricane Debbie in 1969 was seeded twice over four days by several aircraft. Researchers noted that its intensity waxed and waned by up to 30 percent.<br><br>For cloud seeding to be successful, clouds must contain sufficient supercooled water that is still liquid even though it is below 32 degrees Fahrenheit. Raindrops form when the artificial nuclei and the supercooled water combine.<br><br>But scientists also learned that hurricanes contain less supercooled water than other storm clouds, so seeding was unreliable. And, hurricanes grow and dissipate all on their own, even forming new walls of clouds called "concentric eyewall circles."<br><br>This made it impossible to determine whether storm reductions were the result of human intervention. Project Stormfury was abandoned in the 1980s after spending hundreds of millions of dollars.<br><br>Other storm modification methods that have been suggested include cooling the tropical ocean with icebergs and spreading particles or films over the ocean surface to inhibit storms from evaporating heat from the sea.<br><br>Occasionally, somebody suggests detonating a nuclear weapon to shatter a storm.<br><br>Researchers say hurricanes would dwarf such measures. For example, Hurricane Rita measures about 3,500 miles in circumference and 350 miles across.<br><br>According to the center for atmospheric research, the heat energy released by a hurricane equals 50 to 200 trillion watts or about the same amount of energy released by exploding a 10-megaton nuclear bomb every 20 minutes. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Scientists: You Can't Modify Hurricanes

Postby Sweejak » Thu Sep 22, 2005 10:34 pm

Via 8+<br><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>from an older compilation by "weatherwarzz" at <br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/09/324381.shtml">portland.indymedia.org/en...4381.shtml</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br>07.Sep.2005 <br><br>Bernard Eastlund Crew behind "Katrina"? <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/8.01/weather_pr.html">www.wired.com/wired/archi...er_pr.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br>Issue 8.01 - Jan 2000 <br>Activate Cloud Shield! Zap a Twister! <br><br>Bernard Eastlund, a former research manager at the US <br>Atomic Energy Commission: <br><br>"....The Air Force report acknowledges the controversy <br>inherent in futzing with Mother Nature, but concludes <br>that we have no choice but to press on. "Weather <br>modification offers a dilemma not unlike the splitting <br>of the atom," the study says. "The lessons of history <br>indicate a real weather-modification capability will <br>eventually exist despite the risk. The drive exists. <br>The motivation exists..." <br><br><br>Section 6.0 from Eastlund's papers, <br>"Systems for severe weather modification" <br><br>...intense electromagnetic wave beams can be powered <br>by ground based energy sources, such as natural gas <br>and by solar power generated in satellites..." <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.eastlundscience.com/currentpaper1-5.html">www.eastlundscience.com/c...er1-5.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.eastlundscience.com/papers/1hpemrad/hpemrad5.jpg">www.eastlundscience.com/p...emrad5.jpg</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>WEATHER MODIFICATION WITH HIGH POWER ELECTROMAGNETIC RADIOTION <br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.eastlundscience.com/currentd.html">www.eastlundscience.com/currentd.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br><br>"TornadoGenesis" <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.eastlundscience.com/currentpaper1-7.html">www.eastlundscience.com/c...er1-7.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.eastlundscience.com/papers/1hpemrad/hpemrad7.jpg">www.eastlundscience.com/p...emrad7.jpg</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Dr. Bernard J. Eastlund holds a B. S. in physics from <br>MIT and a Ph.D. in physics from Columbia University. <br>He received a Special Achievement Certificate from the <br>U. S. Atomic Energy Commission in 1970 for <br>co-invention of the "Fusion Torch." <br><br><br><br>April 1997: <br>Former U.S. Defence Secretary Cohen expresses concern about eco-terrorism using scalar electromagnetic weapons: <br><br>"Others [terrorists] are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely throughthe use of electromagnetic waves... So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations...It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our [counterterrorism] efforts." <br><br>Quoted from DoD News Briefing, Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen, Q&A at the Conference on Terrorism, Weapons of Mass Destruction, and U.S. Strategy, University of Georgia, Athens, <br>Apr. 28, 1997. <br><br><br>Artificial Cyclones by BioCure Sdn. Bhd. <br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.thewatcher.co.uk/weird/news.htm">www.thewatcher.co.uk/weird/news.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br><br>NEWS ARTICLE: "Malaysia to Battle Smog With Cyclones", by Chen May Yee, Staff Reporter of the Wall Street Journal, The Wall Street Journal, Thursday, November 13, 1997, page A19. <br><br>KULA LUMPUR -- Malaysia's war on smog is about to get a new twist. The government wants to create man-made cyclones to scrub away the haze that has plagued Malaysia since July. 'We will use special technology to create an artificial cyclone to clean the air', said Datuk Law Hieng Ding, minister for science, technology and the environment. The plan calls for the use of new Russian technology to create cyclones -- the giant storms also known as typhoons and hurricanes -- to cause torrential rains, washing the smoke out of the air. The Malaysian cabinet and the finance minister have approved the plan, Datuk Law said. A Malaysian company, BioCure Sdn. Bhd., will sign a memorandum of understanding soon with a government-owned Russian party to produce the cyclone. <br><br>Datuk Law declined to disclose the size of the cyclone to be generated, or the mechanism. 'The details I don't have', he said. He did say, though, that the cyclone generated would be 'quite strong'. Datuk Law also declined to disclose the price of creating the cyclone. But, he said, Malaysia doesn't have to pay if the project doesn't work. <br><br><br>DYN-O-gel by Dyn-O-Mat <br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://lofi.forum.physorg.com/Weather-Control---Intentional-Silver-Linings_1686.html">lofi.forum.physorg.com/We..._1686.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br>27th April 2005 <br><br>"...The product, DYN-O-gel, has intrigued the American Meteorological Society, but the EPA has serious concerns about this new generic class of high-molecular-weight-polymers in their carcinogenic and pathogenic potentials. <br><br>A further obvious concern is whether (no pun intended), control of the weather is an ethically justified process in ambitions which are not aimed at immediate public safety, for example the unloading of a hurricane's dynamic energy, but at more commercial aims. Dyn-O-Mat promises that the polymer will never be used over land..." <br><br>Dynomat Technology and Patents <br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.dynomat.com.index.shtml/">www.dynomat.com.index.shtml/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br><br><br>physorg.com on Dynomat's Cloud Seeding products: <br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://lofi.forum.physorg.com/Weather-Control---Intentional-Silver-Linings_1686.html">lofi.forum.physorg.com/We..._1686.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br><br>"...The cloud formation is reported to have simply disappeared off monitoring radar screens..." <br><br> <br><br>Dyn-O-Storm <br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.dynomat.com/storm.shtml">www.dynomat.com/storm.shtml</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br>June 4, 2002 Melbourne, FL: Dyn-O-Mat Inc.'s team of experts continues their mission of significantly reducing the destructive power of hurricanes... <br><br>...The way the Dyn-O-Mat team is going after the storm is by using what is called a "Venturi Action". The "Venturi Action" can be described as a pie-shaped piece that will be cut from the outer band into the eye of the storm. The intended result of this action is to allow the system to use it's own strength on itself. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Postby smiths » Thu Sep 22, 2005 10:45 pm

its all very well quoting the malaysia plans but from what iread they didnt work and malaysia and indonesia and singapore and thailand are plagued every year with intense smog that seems to be getting worse, they ride around in cities with masks on and if they really could do something about it they would,<br>similarly the chinese choke on the air in beijing a lot of the time and the nly respite they get is one th clean winds come down off the steppes, and if the chinese could do something about it they would <p></p><i></i>
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