Creating or Steering Hurricanes - is it possible?

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Creating & Guiding Hurricanes:

Postby anonymous » Sun Sep 11, 2005 9:48 am

MIAMI (Reuters) - Hurricane Ophelia hovered off the coast of the southeastern United States on Sunday, gathering strength slightly but <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>confounding</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> forecasters who could not predict where the storm would make landfall.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://tinyurl.com/c59jp">tinyurl.com/c59jp</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Weather modication topic on DU locked

Postby anonymouscoward » Sat Sep 24, 2005 7:54 am

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4868683">www.democraticunderground...04x4868683</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>And all replies with references to HAARP deleted. The mods didn't want to discuss it either of course.<br><br>The replies ridiculing weather modification were perfectly fine. Only the replies where HAARP was mentioned got janked minutes after they were posting.<br><br>So what is it with HAARP that it is "categorically forbidden to be mentioned"? Are those stories about HAARP being an offensive weapon true as well? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Raising a Storm

Postby Qutb » Sat Sep 24, 2005 8:47 am

Thanks for the New Scientist article, Nonny. Very interesting. <p><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:black;font-family:century gothic;font-size:x-small;"><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Qutb means "axis," "pole," "the center," which contains the periphery or is present in it. The qutb is a spiritual being, or function, which can reside in a human being or several human beings or a moment. It is the elusive mystery of how the divine gets delegated into the manifest world and obviously cannot be defined.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></span><!--EZCODE FONT END--><br><br></p><i></i>
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Re: Raising a Storm

Postby Nonny » Sat Sep 24, 2005 11:21 am

You're welcome Qutb --- no link because it came from a subscription database EBSCOhost MasterFile (compliments of my public library)<br><br>Here is another article about the work of Ross Hoffman.<br>This came from <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.american-buddha.com/weathernasafundsweather.htm" target="top">www.american-buddha.com/weathernasafundsweather.htm</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>This asks for registration --- but MANY ebooks and articles here. Worth signing up.<br><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>NASA FUNDS WEATHER MODIFICATION TECHNOLOGY</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br> <br>by Noah Shachtman<br><br>Wired News | May 7, 2004<br><br>For 25 years, Ross Hoffman has had a vision: to use tiny changes in the environment to alter the paths of hurricanes, slow down snow storms and turn dark days bright.<br><br>For most of those years, Hoffman kept his ideas largely to himself. His adviser at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology told him weather control was too outlandish for his Ph.D. thesis. The chances of a buttoned-down foundation or government agency funding such research were so slim, Hoffman didn't even bother to ask.<br><br>But, in 2001, all that changed. Hoffman stumbled upon a tiny, obscure cranny of the American space program -- the NASA Institute for Advanced Concepts, or NIAC. In this $4 million-a-year agency, Hoffman found a place where the wildest of ideas were not only tolerated, they were welcome.<br><br>Shape-shifting space suits? Step right up. Antimatter-powered probes to Alpha Centauri? No problem. Robotic armada to destroy incoming asteroids? Pal, just sign on the dotted line. Weather control seemed downright down to earth in comparison.<br><br>Hoffman is now wrapping up his half-million-dollar study for NIAC. But the agency is continuing to bankroll concepts for a future decades away.<br><br>Some space analysts wonder how long it can last, however. With NASA in turmoil, and a presidential directive to return to the moon, will a science fiction-oriented agency like NIAC survive?<br><br>"They're interested in taking some risks, unlike most other government organizations these days," said Hoffman, a vice president at Atmospheric and Environmental Research in Lexington, Massachusetts. "At NIAC, if it's not risky, it's not going to get funded."<br><br>Over the last six years, NIAC has backed 118 studies into the chanciest of propositions: interplanetary rapid transit, aircraft without moving parts, and radio signals bounced off of meteors' trails.<br><br>The idea, according to NIAC director Robert Cassanova, is to give concepts 10 to 40 years out a chance to grow, and then to pass those models on to NASA proper for further development.<br><br>The agency's best-known baby is the so-called space elevator -- a 62,000-mile twine of carbon nanotubes that would transport cargo into orbit.<br><br>Technically, NIAC isn't part of the space agency, Cassanova said. It's a wing of the Universities Space Research Association -- a collection of colleges that work together on final-frontier studies. Through the group, NASA gives Cassanova a few million a year to hand out to way-out researchers. NIAC hands out two types of grants. Six-month Phase I investigations receive $75,000 each. Phase II grants go up to $400,000, for 18 to 24 months of study.<br><br>With his award, Hoffman tweaked a weather-prediction program to show that moving a hurricane was possible -- at least in theory. Here's how: You need a ring of satellites in orbit, channeling the sun's energy, stretching around the Earth. The machines would beam power to the planet, using microwaves. But, tuned to 183 GHz, they could also heat up small regions of the atmosphere by a degree or two. Those small changes could have enormous impact, Hoffman's simulation showed. A deadly hurricane, headed for the Hawaiian island of Kauai, drifted off into the Pacific, harmlessly.<br><br>"One of the great things about NIAC is that they never say, 'That's crazy, you can never build a fleet of solar-powered space stations,'" Hoffman said.<br><br>Such a system is decades off -- if it ever happens at all. But analysts like Brian Chase, vice president of the Space Foundation, see research like Hoffman's as critically important.<br><br>"It's impossible to make breakthroughs if all you're funding is immediate, near-term applications," he said.<br><br>Chase is concerned, however, that NASA may be pressured to drop its far-out studies.<br><br>"These are tight times," he said. "It's tricky balancing how much can be obtained for the moon and Mars versus how much can be obtained for the longer-term stuff. Often, it's one of the first areas to get cut."<br><br>NIAC isn't the only arm of the space agency engaged in projects that border on the fantastic. The Marshall Space Flight Center, for example, is looking at propelling spaceships with electrodynamic tethers (PDF). But Marshall can be pretty darn practical, compared to the NIAC folks.<br><br>Marshall research asks, "How long can I store antimatter?" said Gerry Jackson, president of Hbar Technologies in West Chicago, Illinois. NIAC studies wonder, "How do I integrate it into spacecraft? How does this affect mission priorities? And how many kilograms can I get to Alpha Centauri in a certain number of years?"<br><br>Jackson said Marshall scientists are trapping antimatter a fraction of a billionth of a gram at a time. By his NIAC-funded calculations, a trip to Alpha Centauri will require 17 grams. He figures it would take 20 or 30 years to ramp up to harvesting tens of milligrams per year. And after that, it will only be another decade or so until there's enough antimatter for an Alpha Centauri trip.<br><br>So we had better start planning now. <br><br>_________________________________________<br><br>Here is their link to Weather Articles<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.american-buddha.com/weathertoc.htm" target="top">www.american-buddha.com/weathertoc.htm</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><br>Aerosol and Electromagnetic Weapons in the Age of Nuclear War, by Amy Worthington, Global Research <br><br>Bill Introduced to Restrict Weather Control, by Rep. Dennis J. Kucinich, House of Representatives, October 2, 2001<br> <br>Drowning New Orleans, by Mark Fischetti, Photographs by Max Aguilera-Hellweg, Scientific American, October 2001<br> <br>Estimations of Downwind Cloud Seeding Effects in Utah, by Mark E. Solak, David P. Yorty and Don A Griffith<br> <br>Global Warming and Ice Ages: Prospects for Physics-Based Modulation of Global Change, by Edward Teller, Lowell Wood, and Roderick Hyde<br> <br>Gone with the Water, by Joel K. Bourne, Jr., National Geographic<br> <br>Hurricanes, by Michael Behar, Popular Science<br> <br>Hurricane Forecasters Try Model That Focuses on Chances of Landfall<br> <br>Hurricane Katrina Table of Contents<br> <br>Man-Made Mistakes Increase Devastation of 'Natural' Disasters. by Susan Begley <br><br>Method of Modifying Weather, United States Patent and Trademark Office, Inventor: Peter Cordani, November 13, 2001<br> <br>NASA Funds Weather Modification Technology, by Noah Shachtman, Wired News<br> <br>Now the Pentagon Tells Bush: Climate Change Will Destroy Us, by Mark Townsend and Paul Harris, February 22, 2004<br> <br>Project Stormfury, by Hurricane Research Division, Atlantic Oceanographic and Meteorological Laboratory<br> <br>S.517: A Bill to Establish a Weather Modification Operations and Research Board, and For Other Purposes, 109th Congress, by Sen. Kay Hutchison [R-TX]<br> <br>State Plans Cloud Seeding This Winter, by Jeffrey Jacquet, Star Tribune<br> <br>Study Says Hurricanes Are Getting Stronger <br>Washing Away, by John McQuaid and Mark Schleifstein, Picayune-Times<br> <br>Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025, by Airforce University<br> <br>Weather Modification by Cloud Seeding -- A Status Report 1989-1997, by William R. Cotton, Colorado State University Department of Atmospheric Science<br> <br>Weather Modification Frequently Asked Questions, by Texas Department of Licensing and Regulation <br> <br> <p></p><i></i>
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Anybody free on Thursday?

Postby DrDebugDU » Sun Sep 25, 2005 2:08 pm

The Max Planck Institute for Meteorology has a workshop on "Climate Scenarios for the Future and their Use for Impact Studies" on September, 29.<br><br>I wonder whether you can get a tour of their ELF/VLF installation, because just like HAARP it's a 1GW installation for 'research' purposes only of course....<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.mpimet.mpg.de/dynindex.php?s=http://www.mpimet.mpg.de/en/web/news/newsdetail.php?id=34&suchwort=">www.mpimet.mpg.de/dynindex.php?s=http://www.mpimet.mpg.de/en/web/news/newsdetail.php?id=34&suchwort=</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.mps.mpg.de/images/projekte/heating/heatsite.jpg"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Thread lock on DU

Postby Inanna » Sun Sep 25, 2005 5:41 pm

Thanks for sharing that link. I am really starting to wonder about certain internet forums in general. That was indeed very strange to delete those posts, if they were only to do with HAARP and not flaming anyone or being freeperish.<br><br>I was on another board with skeptics and when this topic was brought up, it was of course laughed down and put down. I wonder about that board too. I almost wonder if some of these forums (not this one) don't exist for the purpose of silencing conspiracies or something even worse.<br><br>Oh well, OT, I do believe in weather control and I just wonder who is on which side in the whole thing. It gets hard to tell.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Thread lock on DU

Postby thumperton » Sun Sep 25, 2005 9:14 pm

I also get the feeling that some large forums are 'controlled opposition' or 'gate keeper sites' <p></p><i></i>
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