Homeland Security perp arrested

[GDN01]

I have a question about the Sorcha Faal article - maybe I'm just dense this morning. A coup would be an attempt to overthrow the govt. - something those who oppose the Bush Admin. might be in support of. The Counter-Coup would be those who are trying to prevent a Coup. Right?<br><br>So Faal suggests the military raided offices to find evidence of the Counter-Coup efforts and the recent arrests and deaths are of Counter-Coup participants. <br><br>If there are such forces and power plays going on, the arrest of Counter Coup people would be a good sign for those who want a "regime change" but Faal seems to be saying these arrests are being carried out to stop the dissidents - who I would think are the Coup supporters, not Counter Coup.<br><br>Can someone unravel this for me?<br><br>I also have an idea for Jeff, if you are reading this. <br>This is the third person arrested recently who works for the DHS. Brings new meaning to the missing children of New Orleans you have mentioned more than once on your blog. While there may be no way to ever draw a direct connection, it might be interesting to look into what these men were doing for DHS during the Katrina efforts and if they had any role in the federal response. <p></p><i></i>

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

Besides the DHS people, don't forget black White House domestic policy advisor Claude Allen who suddenly faced 15 years in jail for charges on his credit cards.<br><br>Cyber Siberia is here. <p></p><i></i>

[mother]

I apologise for changing the subject here to Claude allen, but I simply could not find the thread about him where I said ugly things about him. Hugh has brought him up a couple of times. Here's the thing: I was talking to a very dear friend on the phone when she suddenly started saying, "NO,NO!" She was watching the news and Mr. Allen's legal issues were mentioned. She is adamant that it is not possible that he would have stolen from Target. She said she's known him for years, they go to the same church and so forth. This woman and I are miles apart culturally and so forth, yet I could not discount her intense belief in Mr. Allen's having been set up. So, coupled with Hugh's words, I wish I could take back what i said before, in case I was just jumping to conclusions due to despising the bushes and anybody who helped with the slow boiling death of New Orleans people. Do you have any more thoughts on Claude Allen possibly being set up, Hugh? <p></p><i></i>

[havanagilla]

Thank you blanc, I agree that reality is more complex than we would like to think, and perhaps I have a "blind spot" related to my personal history as MC victim. Perhaps I am still trying to protect someone, in my case, who played both sides, and whom I feel compelled to exonerate, so as to prevent pain of more betrayal. This has happened to me before, and if it is the case, than usually after some time, the damn breaks open, with all the new memories and realizations and pain, but a necessary one, I suppose.<br>It brings to mind, a recurring dream I have these last days about a guy who used to be in my high school class, and ended up in the foreign service of Israel, now serving in SF. <br>He always appeared in my dreams about the MC as "the men on the fence", he would actually be seen, in the dream, as "sitting on the fence" literally, the fence that keeps me locked in the nazi compound where I am tortured. <br>--<br>These last few days, for some reason, he appears in my dreamlife again, and I think I am working, psychologically on this "aspect" and maybe on this person in reality. We had a puppy love fling in high school. His parents are both microbiologists, and his father was senior worker of Malmab (that's the notorious security apparatus in Israel in charge of all non conventional weapons and on the torture of Vanunu etc. and which I think is implicated in MC as well). Later, he married a daughter of a senior foreign office person and joined the service himself (some form of neputism I guess). I only recently understood that it was extremely important for me to keep him, as a psychological symbol, "in tact" namely, innocent, but the more I think about it, the more I realize he isn't, very much so. In fact, these people are the last ones I am willing to expose for what they are, because what will be left ? if he turns out to be a culprit, what is left in "my world" or country or chlidhood cosmos to trust ? <br>does that make sense ?<br>---<br>yesterday tonight I dreamt about him again, and I will, with your permission, lay it out. In the dream he comes back to Israel from his last post in the USA, and visits me. He tells me that he heard of my affair with a joint friend, who happens to be married and that this was funny. And then we make love, sort of in a tired way (like ex lovers, just for the sake of nostalgia or so). ANd then he says that he is going to travel for a while in Toronto, maybe work there for the foreign office. I envy him, and then he is doing some paperwork with me, sort of helping me with something. And then, he whispers in my ear "I am protected. My position in the foreign office is protected from high up". End of dream.<br>---<br>For me this is symbol of my still unprocessed fantasy to "belong to the establishment" or to find out that it is not SO corrupt. I also woke up this morning from a dream about him, that he is correcting my Yoga Asana...(??) and that I then find out that my purse, documents, ID, papers..are all gone and lost (namely, my "status"). <br>--<br>Writing all this, to explain maybe my resistance to your observation on Maitre Hirsch, and using this exchange as therapeutic tool, with your permission...:-).<br>This is all very personal for me, as you know. <p></p><i></i>

[havanagilla]

a little addendum...on gender discomfort<br><br>I think that what disturbs me as well, is that I wouldn't want to see another woman nailed for a huge criminal network that is mainly comprised of male persp, who are exploiting women sexually. It is true that in many cases we find a female "capo", that is true also with regards to female circumcision (usually performed by elder women); prostitution (where "Madame" is running the brothel) etc. In these male dominated criminal structures, women play a certain role but I am not sure if they are the ones to focus attention on or whether this is a convenient distraction/airdung that is placed there , on our way, by the perps. <br>So, applied to this case, if possibly Sharon/Israel had a quid pro quo deal, connected to sex crimes in Belgium, the culprit should still be<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong> Sharon</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> himself AND the perps in Belgium who benefitted from the deal and concocted it together. Much less so the person who served as go between. But it is harder to attack Sharon (well, now for sure, as he is vegetating somewhere in a geriatric institute) when he was PM. He can kill, and I doubt the lawyer would. <br>---<br>And as I said, <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>I think</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> Sharon has had more direct involvement in this affair than his Lebanon warcrimes indictment. Strategically, putting pressure on the weaker element in the chain<!--EZCODE UNDERLINE START--><span style="text-decoration:underline"> may or may not be ethical</span><!--EZCODE UNDERLINE END-->, depending on what is at stake and what the results are, for the victims involved (as they are the primary issue here, in my view). regina Louf is a very courageous and admirable person and surely, she deserved more support than was granted to her by her government and the people of power who were involved. <br>-----<br> <p></p><i></i>

[blanc]

Havanagilla, I do not mean to begin to imply that Maitre Hirsch is 'responsible' for what was done in Belgium, start to finish. Only that if we don't press for answers where the questions appear, we collaborate with the cover up.<br><br>I know it is personal for you. no person who has been touched by mc or ra ends up feeling totally innocent. that is how it works. but the feeling and the reality are not necessarily the same. (would x have done y without the manipulation of z, is the litmus test)<br><br>I got on to this because the subject of how it was there were so many paedophiles in govt came up. I'd like that question to be chewed at until it unravels.<br><br>I'd like this because I don't think its much good pulling apart the events of, say, WTC, and dancing round and round the point of HOW does a conspiracy to cause that much harm actually work.<br><br>To me. the mechanics of ra are the mechanics of 'turning' the innocent to do things they would never voluntarily (in the true sense of voluntarily) do. and it happens in the best of places, the places where people like to think of themselves as free.<br><br>and yes, women are not usually the instigators. that could be uncomfortable for men - in fact is - lets face it, that discomfort feeds the debunking industry. But if they were going to pick a lawyer to do the dirty on the X's , it would have to be a woman wouldn't it?<br><br><br><br><br>It is possible that your dream-man came into this 'turned' category.<br>Also pos. that he didn't. either way, very important to keep the perspective that, for you, it is in the past, an old ghost.<br><br>always not forgetting that not everyone touched by ra/mc KNOWS that they have been, or WHAT THEY DO. <p></p><i></i>

[havanagilla]

Oh, totally, asking questions all the time, and leave no stone unturned, I am for it, as you can see. My comments are along this line and all my comments are hunches, and could be worth nothing in reality.(as per the go between's motivations). I have a very wide perspective on this issue, first as victim (maybe connected to same perps), but also as someone who cynically was re-used by people who should know better, and I will elaborate on that. Since you mention that for me "it is in the past", well if 2 years ago makes it "past and behind me", then maybe.<br>--<br>My abuse beside being the usual sex pedo/sadism/exploitation was later mingled with some form of espionage, although most of it was domestic. One of my "professional fronts" was a lawyer, which I now see as totally part of the coaching and programming, namely, not something that was concurrent but part of the "script" including my education and everything else. This "mask" served several goals, main one was to pave the road to certain clients (high powered, some very high legal figures both here and in the US whom I catered as a "bribe gift"). The moment I became partly consicous of it, I quit the profession as part of my healing process (and I am not entirely recommending this to victims with similar profiles, because in a way the professional persona is also a pillar of the functioning parts, and removing it abruptly is risky). However, after having done that, and while I was seeking therputic help and refuge, the professional care takers were using my false-guilt (which was really part of the programming and desease) to concoct a political vendetta against <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Israel.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> Your story rang a bell, although I might be totally off here. That is, I might be projecting my mishap on other players whom I really don't know. <br>--<br>I cannot but strongly and unequivocally condemn any such revictimization of an MC victim, by political players who simply know how to pull the strings of victims, in the same way that the perps know. I see it as reprehensible, along the lines of how Maitre michelle abused the trust (by presenting herself as advocate of victims and turning against them, so I understand). So, we must all be careful not to spill the baby with the dirty waters. Only God knows what people would do had they not be electricuted and sadistically gang raped since they were toddlers, right ?<br>--<br>I have no idea whether the lady in question is a victim of MC, I tend to think she is not. People who have been MC'ed have a bizarre CV, and no "cosmetics" can utterly change it. I am just trying to figure out what's going on in this belgium case, since it might help me too, if this network is cracked open sometime.<br><br>What I do know though, that ANY case when victims were abused in the name of investigation, never led to the exposure of the real perps. So, I would recommend as a rule to go straight to the top, namely, smear Sharon and see what comes out, namely, if the security establishent of Israel, during the time<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong> he was minister of defense</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> were complicit with the belgium sex ring (for whatever reason) that's the gist of it, isn't it ? and if later the culprits in high places had some power games (maybe on sharing the loot), that's not so important. I see the Sabra/Shatila case more as having a spiritual, symbolic connection, namely, that warcriminals are usually pedophile creeps as well. And both Belgium (in the Congo) and Israel, wherever, have a record...this is called fascism and sexual sadism, as shown by pausolini and others, indlucing Jeff.<br><br>--<br>I just couldn't help remembering the righteous BS that the caretakers i happened to run into, were spouting to justify re troture of a victim, as if by this the ringleaders would be caught. Nothing of that sort happened of course, in my case included. Perps can very smartly assess the level of ethics and where they can strike dirty deals with advocates. What happens eventually, is something like the Sharon deal, namely, some money changes hands, none of it having to do with the welfare of victims or more justice. Its becomes a game of extortion and remains well in the dark and on the same level of morality. At least those advocates who screwed me, "for the just cause of getting back at "israel"", lost ALL their effectiveness and credibility in ANY other human rights cause. Leaning on the easiest target is a tactic reserved for power, not for justice. <br> <p></p><i></i>

[blanc]

I do not know if they were complicit, or just exploited the knowledge of it. <p></p><i></i>