Arrest made in JonBenet Ramsey murder case

[chiggerbit]

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.thedailycamera.com/extra/ramsey/chronology/index9708.html">www.thedailycamera.com/ex...x9708.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>The remainder of JonBenét's autopsy is released, with details on how the 6-year-old was dressed,<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong> but not revealing the time of death.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> <br><br><br>I'd like to know more about the party that the Ramsey family (including the two kids) attended, before they came home and put the sleeping JonBenet to bed, supposedly at 9:30 or so, if I remember right. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=chiggerbit@rigorousintuition>chiggerbit</A> at: 8/17/06 10:33 pm<br></i>

[Et in Arcadia ego]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Use that good, southern common sense of yours.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Hmm..That's definately not something a foriegner would say..<br><br>But a southerner would. <p>____________________<br>Some are born to sweet delight, some are born to endless night.</p><i></i>

[Reformed Skeptic]

First time poster, long time reader.<br><br>So as I watched the various news channels and their coverage of this new development, and it was mentioned that the alleged killer of JonBenet was corresponding with a colorado professor and documentary maker, Michael Tracey, I started to wonder what else Professor Michael Tracey does when he's not corresponding with alleged paedophile child killers...<br><br>By now we are all aware that he's made some documentaries trying to support the Ramsey's innocence, based around the media not being fair to them, but what else?<br><br>There's this:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.cjc-online.ca/viewarticle.php?id=306&layout=html">www.cjc-online.ca/viewart...ayout=html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Which he co-authored in defense of television's generification effects on various cultures of the world.<br><br>and then there's this:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/continuum/article6.htm">www.virusmyth.net/aids/co...ticle6.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Which seems to offer some very weird alternative explanations of what is going on with the AIDS virus.<br><br>His profile from <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.colorado.edu/journalism/faculty/bios/tracey.html">www.colorado.edu/journali...racey.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br> Professor Michael Tracey, an internationally recognized researcher and scholar, came to CU in 1988 from England, where <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>he was head of the Broadcasting Research Unit in London, Britain's leading think tank dealing with media issues. </strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> He has served as special adviser to the BBC's Community Programmes Unit, consultant to a variety of organizations and honorary visiting research fellow at the University of Bradford. From 1994 to 1999 he was Visiting Professor and Chair of International Communications at the University of Salford in England. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong> From 1991 to 1998 he was a Trustee of the International Institute of Communications. His fellow Trustees included CEOs from some of the world's largest broadcasting and telecommunications companies. </strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> Tracey earned a BA with honors in Politics from the University of Exeter and a PhD from the University of Leicester, where he also served as research fellow and taught at the graduate level. He has published extensively in eight books, academic journals, conference papers and popular media. He has also given countless talks and lectures in many countries on the politics, organization and economics of public service broadcasting. Since 1998 he has become a documentary film maker, including producing three documentaries about the JonBenet Ramsey murder case. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong> He is currently researching and writing two books dealing with aspects of what he terms "the injustice of the American justice system.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->"<br><br>I'm still looking into other articles that he's written, but I guess my question to you guys is this:<br><br>Is this what a disinformation shill looks like? <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=reformedskeptic@rigorousintuition>Reformed Skeptic</A> at: 8/17/06 11:43 pm<br></i>

[chiggerbit]

Aha, very interesting, Reformed. <p></p><i></i>

[sunny]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Is this what a disinformation shill looks like?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Looks like he's a real pro.<br><br>Welcome, Reformed! <p></p><i></i>

[Et in Arcadia ego]

I hate to turn left-field on everyone, but quickly, what's that thing in/on his right eyeball? It's not red, so it can't be a burst blood vessel..<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2006/LAW/08/17/ramsey.arrest/newt1.karr.thu.afp.gi.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br>Maybe it's a micro-chip? [ok, I'm not 100% serious here at all]<br><br>Also, for a second there, he almost looks to me like he has that droopy-eye thing going, but I'm not certain; could just be the angle of the photo.<br><br>My 'intuition' tells me this guy is a dead end. He sounds like what he sounds like: a sick individual that's obtaining a perverted satisfaction from negative attention like the usual idiots that clog a murder investigation by confessing to a crime that they have nothing to do with it.<br><br>Could be wrong, but....<br><br> <p>____________________<br>Some are born to sweet delight, some are born to endless night.</p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=etinarcadiaego@rigorousintuition>et in Arcadia ego</A>  <IMG HEIGHT=10 WIDTH=10 SRC="http://www.sickle666.com/images/Arcadia.jpg" BORDER=0> at: 8/18/06 12:46 am<br></i>

[HMKGrey]

Just watched Primetime. <br><br>Overall impression: I think even they were sceptical but glad to have a juicy story to get their teeth in to (what with Iraq being so hot and unpleasant this time of year). <br><br>Patsy, still creepy but not nearly as creepy as Barbara Walters.<br><br>Feel very sure that this is going to blow over. <p></p><i></i>

[Sepka]

professorpan said: <!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>The criticisms of [Tracey's] documentary and his work have been deleted from forumsforjustice.org (or else I just can't find them -- the titles of the posts appear in cached google searches, but not the posts themselves).<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Try<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/showthread.php?t=5292" target="top">www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/showthread.php?t=5292</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>and <br><br>http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=249<br>I think these are what you're looking for.<br><br>-Sepka the Space Weasel <p></p><i></i>

[Uncle Scam]

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.newsmakingnews.com/archive4,24,4,29,00.htm#The%20JonBenet%20Ramsey%20Case:%20Emerging%20Child%20Sex-Ring%20Allegations,%20Political%20Connections%20and%20a%20Suspect">www.newsmakingnews.com/ar...%20Suspect</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Scroll down a ways to "The JonBenet Ramsey Case: Emerging Child Sex-Ring Allegations,<br>Political Connections and a Suspect"<br><br>Three weeks ago," Calhoun recalled, "a 37-year-old woman from San Luis Obispo, California came forward with information to Boulder Attorney Lee Hill. She alleged that she came from a family of inter-generational child abuse victims, and had been abused since the age of three by a powerful group of pedophiles, some of whom were associates of the Ramsey family. <p></p><i></i>

[Gouda]

RI discussion thread from June: <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm33.showMessage?topicID=112.topic">p216.ezboard.com/frigorou...=112.topic</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>I (also) think Project Willow's hunch is compelling in light of Dr. Cyril Wecht's conclusions and Mary Bienkowski's client's testimony:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I believe Jonbenet was killed accidentally during a Christmas ritual. The Ramsey's were more than likely hosts, and when their daughter succumbed to the uses of a high ranking male in the cult, they had to scramble to figure out how to explain her death. Then it took them all night to figure it out and clean up the remnants of the night's festivities.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> friend catcher's comment is also interesting in hindsight:<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>The strongest evidence the obituary omitted is that DNA from a white, Caucasian male was found mixed with JonBenet's blood in bloodspots on her clothing. This DNA did not come from her parents. The local police first withheld this information and then ignored it. Proper DNA tests, not conducted until years later, produced a sample of DNA strong enough to identify a single individual. It has been logged on to US DNA databases and <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>a huge manhunt is now on</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> So, the manhunt has yielded Karr..<br><br>It appears that the Ramseys were pushing for something like this in advance. Not sure of the date of the 20/20 program, but there's this from the crimelibrary website which is heavily biased in favor of the Ramseys:<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Some weeks later, John and Patsy Ramsey continued to promote Smit's intruder theory when they gave an interview to ABC's 20/20 program. They also suggested that the police should look to the Ramseys' "inner circle" to find their daughter's killer, <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>perhaps someone who was familiar with the family and may be a pedophile. </strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/famous/ramsey/theory_8b.html">www.crimelibrary.com/noto...ry_8b.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>

[Gouda]

What's the story with <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Fleet White</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->?? Is he or isn't he still a Ramsey family friend? I keep reading conflicting claims about this guy - whose side he's on, where his loyalties may lie etc. He's also been very adamant about getting the police documents pertaining to interviews given by the California woman who claims there are ritual abuse & pedo-ring links to the case. Fleet, shady character? <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.longmontfyi.com/ramsey/storyDetail03.asp?ID=37">www.longmontfyi.com/ramse....asp?ID=37</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>White has been involved in the Ramsey case since Day 1. He was with John Ramsey when JonBenet’s body was found in the wine cellar of the Ramsey home, a<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>nd at first he supported John and Patsy Ramsey’s claims of innocence.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>At some point, White became convinced of their guilt </strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->and started a campaign to have the governor remove former District Attorney Alex Hunter and appoint an independent prosecutor to the case.<br><br>....<br><br>Judge Morris W. Sandstead Jr. ruled that Fleet White cannot have unredacted <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>copies of files kept by the District Attorney’s Office on a California woman who came forward in 2000 with allegations of ritualistic sexual abuse by a group that included people associated with the murder case, including Fleet White.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>Since police said the woman’s claims were not connected to the Ramsey case and were discredited later that year, White has been on a rampage against the media, seeking criminal libel charges against outlets who told the woman’s story.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.longmontfyi.com/ramsey/storyDetail02.asp?ID=24">www.longmontfyi.com/ramse....asp?ID=24</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>White, who was with John Ramsey when he discovered his 6-year-old daughter’s body in the family’s basement in December 1996, is seeking documents pertaining to a California woman’s claim she was sexually assaulted as a child, according to the lawsuit.<br><br> “During the (California woman’s) investigation, plaintiffs learned that (the woman) had falsely reported to the Boulder police that she had been a victim of serious and violent crimes committed by members of plaintiffs’ family including plaintiff Fleet Russell White Jr.,” the lawsuit states.<br><br>“Additionally, (the woman) falsely reported that plaintiffs were part of a child sex abuse conspiracy and that members of (the woman’s) family were present at plaintiffs’ home on Dec. 25, 1996, at which time and place JonBenet Ramsey was sexually abused and killed,” the lawsuit continued.<br>...<br><br>White’s requests for a criminal libel investigation were eventually dismissed.<br><br>According to the lawsuit, the district attorney’s office has handed over some of the documents related to the woman’s claims about the sex abuse, even though it is part of the Ramsey investigation. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i></i>

[Et in Arcadia ego]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Three weeks ago," Calhoun recalled, "a 37-year-old woman from San Luis Obispo, California came forward with information to Boulder Attorney Lee Hill. She alleged that she came from a family of inter-generational child abuse victims, and had been abused since the age of three by a powerful group of pedophiles, some of whom were associates of the Ramsey family.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>That's crazy. And there's just been an arrest in Denver related to the Mexican border killings..Looks like the Illuminaughty's cleaning up it's loose ends or something. <p>____________________<br>Some are born to sweet delight, some are born to endless night.</p><i></i>

[Ted the dog]

<br><br>"And Ted, I think the stray dog reference might have meant, "Don't talk to ANYBODY, not even so much as a stray dog." Just my guess. "<br><br>Yeah...you might be right.<br><br>But...<br><br>""Yankees" would never say such a thing, but a southern princess would.<br><br>Or queen. Does Karr strike anyone else here as gay?<br><br>A gay man molesting a young girl? Not likely."<br><br>I can see it this way, too. Yeah Sunny, he did strike me as possibly gay. This is the same vibe I got off of the news stories from last year regarding that guy that kidnapped the two children from...I wanna say Nebraska or Colorado and I can't believe I'm forgetting the details now....the story where they found the mother, older son and step father tied up and murdered, the two younger children were missing and then they found the kidnapper and the young girl eating at a Denny's at 1 AM or something....I remember thinking the same thing.<br><br>(BTW, can anyone fill me in on what case I'm talking about there? I know that's obnoxious, but for some reason I honestly can't remember the details of that case)<br><br>AND....<br><br><br>"...The research continued when John Karr moved his family to Petaluma, Calif., and he told his father he had taken a job at a Catholic girls school in San Francisco.<br><br>While teaching at the school, John joined the Catholic Church, his father said...."<br><br>Just plugging in cords here, but Petaluma is also where Polly Klass was from, right? Pretty similar story with that one... only she seemed to be from the opposite side of the tracks from Jon Benet.<br><br>Also, I still think it's bizarre that his name is, as an earlier poster pointed out, so close to the John Carr involved with the SOS killings as reported by Maury Terry.<br><br>"Ollie Gray", "Fleet White"...what the fuck is up with the "color names"? I guess those aren't really colors, per se...but you know what I'm poking at. <p></p><i></i>

[Et in Arcadia ego]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>"And Ted, I think the stray dog reference might have meant, "Don't talk to ANYBODY, not even so much as a stray dog." Just my guess. "<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Totally. I made that observation last night, but I deleted it cause it seemed too obvious.. <p>____________________<br>Some are born to sweet delight, some are born to endless night.</p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=etinarcadiaego@rigorousintuition>et in Arcadia ego</A>  <IMG HEIGHT=10 WIDTH=10 SRC="http://www.sickle666.com/images/Arcadia.jpg" BORDER=0> at: 8/18/06 11:28 am<br></i>

[woochisilence]

possibly referring to a pediphile that is not on the reservation <p></p><i></i>