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Postby havanagilla » Tue May 30, 2006 3:18 pm

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.nvd.nu/main.html">www.nvd.nu/main.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>(its in dutch). pro pedo, pro bestiality, <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>and blaming the Dutroux case for creating a "hysteria, witch hunt" against pedophiles.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> <br><br>Can this be real ? and is this LEGAL ? <p></p><i></i>
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Postby nomo » Tue May 30, 2006 3:28 pm

Where did you get that information? Do you even read Dutch? They are NOT for pedophilia, and NOT for bestiality. Their one "radical" proposal is to lower the legal age to twelve, meaning that they believe that after that age, people ought to be able to decide for themselves whether to drink, smoke, or, indeed, have sex.<br><br>They're NOT a "pedophile" party. Labeling them as such is a perefct illustration of the "witch hunt" they describe.<br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=nomo@rigorousintuition>nomo</A> at: 5/30/06 1:31 pm<br></i>
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Postby havanagilla » Tue May 30, 2006 3:36 pm

well, that's the result of ONCE relying on Israeli newspapers...(this one is from Yediot Ahronot, israel's largest newspaper). <br>--<br> <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3256997,00.html">www.ynet.co.il/articles/0...97,00.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>--<br>they are quoting from the founder Ed Van den Berg (sp?) who was interviewed today in a dutch newspaper called (don't arrest me for this..spelling, its from Hebrew)-algemeine dagbladt ...<br>If this is total disinfo, that would be interesting. the large subtitle is <br>Democracy ? <br>Hollard - Pedophiles starting a party ?<br>--<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Postby nomo » Tue May 30, 2006 3:43 pm

Here's an article on Yahoo News. I still think the media emphasis on juvenile sex is odd.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060530/od_nm/dutch_pedophiles_dc">news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060...ophiles_dc</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Pedophiles to launch political party<br><br>AMSTERDAM (Reuters) - Dutch pedophiles are launching a political party to push for a cut in the legal age for sexual relations to 12 from 16 and the legalization of child pornography and sex with animals, sparking widespread outrage.<br><br>The Charity, Freedom and Diversity (NVD) party said on its Web site it would be officially registered Wednesday, proclaiming: "We are going to shake<br>The Hague awake!"<br><br>The party said it wanted to cut the legal age for sexual relations to 12 and eventually scrap the limit altogether.<br><br>"A ban just makes children curious," Ad van den Berg, one of the party's founders, told the Algemeen Dagblad (AD) newspaper.<br><br>"We want to make pedophilia the subject of discussion," he said, adding the subject had been a taboo since the 1996 Marc Dutroux child abuse scandal in neighboring Belgium.<br><br>"We want to get into parliament so we have a voice. Other politicians only talk about us in a negative sense, as if we were criminals," Van den Berg told Reuters.<br><br>The Netherlands, which already has liberal policies on soft drugs, prostitution and gay marriage, was shocked by the plan.<br><br>An opinion poll published Tuesday showed that 82 percent wanted the government to do something to stop the new party, while 67 percent said promoting pedophilia should be illegal.<br><br>"They make out as if they want more rights for children. But their position that children should be allowed sexual contact from age 12 is of course just in their own interest," anti-pedophile campaigner Ireen van Engelen told the AD daily.<br><br>Right-wing lawmaker Geert Wilders said he had asked the government to investigate whether a party with such "sick ideas" could really be established, ANP news agency reported.<br><br>Kees van deer Staaij, a member of the Christian SGP party, also demanded action: "Pedophilia and child pornography should be taboo in every constitutional state. Breaking that will just create more victims and more serious ones."<br><br>The party wants private possession of child pornography to be allowed although it supports the ban on the trade of such materials. It also supports allowing pornography to be broadcast on daytime television, with only violent pornography limited to the late evening.<br><br>Toddlers should be given sex education and youths aged 16 and up should be allowed to appear in pornographic films and prostitute themselves. Sex with animals should be allowed although abuse of animals should remain illegal, the NVD said.<br><br>The party also said everybody should be allowed to go naked in public and promotes legalizing all soft and hard drugs and free train travel for all. <p></p><i></i>
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Postby havanagilla » Tue May 30, 2006 3:48 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.ad.nl/binnenland/article369625.ece">www.ad.nl/binnenland/article369625.ece</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.ad.nl/binnenland/article369625.ece" target="top">Pedofielen de politiek in</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <br><br>HAARLEM - Seks tussen volwassenen en kinderen moet worden gelegaliseerd. De nieuwe politieke partij Naastenliefde,... <br><br><br><br>... Vrijheid en Diversiteit (NVD) wil af van de wettelijke leeftijdsgrens van 16 jaar waarop jongeren seksuele contacten mogen aangaan. De partij wordt morgen opgericht door de pedofielenbeweging in Nederland.<br><br>De NVD heeft nog meer omstreden actiepunten. Zo bepleit zij dat jongeren al vanaf 12 jaar in een pornoproductie kunnen acteren en dat het bezit van kinderporno wordt gelegaliseerd. De leeftijdsgrens voor seksuele contacten moet worden verlaagd naar 12 jaar en op termijn worden afgeschaft. ,,Verbieden maakt kinderen juist nieuwsgieriger,’’ zegt Ad van den Berg, een van de oprichters. ,,Opvoeden is ook kinderen laten kennismaken met seks.’’<br><br>Het bestuur bestaat uit leden die nauwe banden hebben met Martijn, de belangenorganisatie voor pedofielen. Van den Berg is penningmeester van de NVD, Martijn Uittenbogaard voorzitter. ,,We willen pedofilie bespreekbaar maken,’’ zegt Van den Berg. ,,We worden doodgezwegen. De enige weg is via de Tweede Kamer.’’ <br><br>Pedagoge Ireen van Engelen vreest dat potentiële kiezers worden misleid. ,,Ze doen voorkomen alsof ze meer rechten voor kinderen wensen. Maar hun standpunt dat kinderen vanaf twaalf jaar al seksuele contacten mogen aangaan, is natuurlijk alleen maar in hun eigen belang.’’ <br><br><br><br>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Door TONNY VAN DER MEE <!--EZCODE UNDERLINE START--><span style="text-decoration:underline"><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>DAFNA HOLTZER</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></span><!--EZCODE UNDERLINE END--><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>looks pretty bad in the origianl too.<br><br>Nomo, do you know if Dafna is a commong Dutch name ?<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Postby havanagilla » Tue May 30, 2006 4:11 pm

nomo, perhaps a little apologee is in place ? i felt really bad when a dutch speaker tells me that I am making up something...<br>---<br>Well, anyway, i was curious about the writer Dafna Holtzer, appearing on the face of it as an Israeli name. I googled and all I receive is one result in English, the rest is Dutch (no clue).<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.findarticles.com/p/search?tb=art&qt=%22Dafna+Holtzer%22">www.findarticles.com/p/se...Holtzer%22</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br><br>'Chemical Weapons Convention unique test case.'<br>The Chemical Weapons Convention was created to eliminate the existing chemical weapons and to prevent the manufacture of new kinds. The Convention represents ...<br><br>UN Chronicle, 9/22/97 by Dafna Holtzer · More from publication · Save<br>The Chronicle interview: Karel Kovanda, outgoing President of the Economic and Social Council - UN Chronicle - includes related articles on the charter<br>Czech Republic Ambassador Kovanda firmly believes that the first step in reforming and reorganizing the ECOSOC is to clearly define its objectives and functions. He maintains that provisions in the UN<br><br>UN Chronicle, 3/22/97 by Dafna Holtzer · More from publication · Save<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Postby nomo » Tue May 30, 2006 5:02 pm

My apologies, Hava. <br><br><!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :o --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/embarassed.gif ALT=":o"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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