Neo-Nazi Satanic pedo politics flips out Nat. Socialists

by **Avalon** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 2:04 pm

I do so like to see movements like this in disarray, it brings such a lightness to my heart. The neo-Nazis in the National Socialist Movement have started fighting with each other over... well, I'm not sure who's who and what's what, but it appears to be over Satanists and the Christian Identity movement and pedophiles. Not sure if the set of pedophiles is contained within the set (as it were) of Nazi Satanists, it's all a bit confusing. Bill White, "spokesman for the National Socialist Movement" says, "Approximately 80% of the NSM's members have resigned in the past few days. Many are refusing to return. Many of those who did not formally resign simply stopped communicating. Many of those are refusing to return. Also, as I had thought, my friend Ken Krauss is a Satanist. I do not believe he is affiliated with the Joy of Satan. I also do not believe he touches kids. I do not have a problem with people who are "Satanists" who are not actively recruiting or molesting children." <a href="http://overthrow88.blogspot.com/2006/07/80-of-nsm-has-resigned.html">overthrow88.blogspot.com/...igned.html</a> Dude, when 80% of your membership (and possibly even your webmaster) have resigned, I would suggest that you've been overthrown! <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/roll.gif ALT=":rollin"> Thanks to the splendid Jesus' General blog. <a href="http://patriotboy.blogspot.com/">patriotboy.blogspot.com/</a> Where the hell is Jeff Rense on this news? He's still got that article frontpaged (for 2 years now) on "The Strange, Mysterious Eternal Allure Of Adolf Hitler, " a big sloppy wet kiss to Adolf which says that "To his admirers, he was a real patriot and a war hero, having suffered in the horrors of trenches during the First World War. The people sensed that at last they had found standing before them a man, in whom they could trust and who believed in himself and in the talents and abilities of his own people." <a href="http://www.rense.com/general51/strange.htm">www.rense.com/general51/strange.htm</a> Jeff is content to say that its author is unknown, and doesn't link to a source. But the only other copy of the rant is at the National Socialist Movement website, bedecked with swastikas and a pouty picture of Adolf looking like spanking or worse are in the offing.

by **Avalon** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 3:00 pm

There's something comforting about Mercury Retrograde when you know it doesn't play favorites and comes down on people other than you, like the National Socialists. And now, the Republican Senate race in Connecticut. For those of you who weren't watching, incumbent DINO (Democrat In Name Only) Joe Lieberman is getting some still competition from newcomer Ned Lamont. Lamont won the primary; the plucky Lieberman took his ball and his bat and started his own party. Never mind a gesture toward public service, "Connecticut for Lieberman" shows that what Connecticut can do for you is more important than what you can do for Connecticut. Bringing up the rear, pretty much under the radar, is the Republican challenger. TPM Muckraker explains: GOP candidate, Alan Schlesinger, has publicly admitted to gambling -- repeatedly -- under an assumed name, and getting thrown out of casinos for card-counting. Not only that, but by his own telling, Schlesinger's a lousy gambler. That's right: the guy lies about his name, counts cards -- and still loses. What a wonderful piece of muck, I thought. Too bad the guy's likely to pull out of the race. Still, a boy can dream. And with that, I put on my sleeping-cap, tucked in the dog, and drifted off. What did I find when I awoke this morning? Schlesinger's gonna fight! Despite pleas from the state's Republican governor, M. Jodi Rell, and the state's GOP chairman, George Gallo, Schlesinger has opted to damn the torpedos, and go full speed ahead. "Under no circumstances will he withdraw," the Hartford Courant says Schlesinger has vowed. According to the Courant, Schlesinger said his party leaders are simply "overreacting" to "an innocent act." <a href="http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/001118.php">www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/001118.php</a> We now return you to our regularly scheduled "Joy of Satan" news. More orthodox Satanists write to The Refiners Fire, a "Jews for Jesus" website, to complain about "The Joy of Satan": "Maxine's claims toward Satan, that he is "good" not "bad", "light" not "dark" are seen by myself and many others as a foolish act of self-deceit and we are in agreement when you say she is a buffoon, however I would go as far as to say she is unworthy of the title "Child of the Devil." One of her claims is that she is the wife of the demon Azazel. That should tell you a LOT about her right there, sir. Yep. I guess it does. <a href="http://www.therefinersfire.org/scotts_comment.htm">www.therefinersfire.org/s...omment.htm</a> <a href="http://www.therefinersfire.org/sabazios_comment.htm">www.therefinersfire.org/s...omment.htm</a>

by **biaothanatoi** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 12:57 am

Really interesting - this looks like a substantive link between Aryanism and Satanism: <a href="http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/wb/xp-73256" target="top">Roanoke landlord resigns from National Socialist Movement: William A. White said he's concerned about the NSM's possible link to a Satanist group</a> "White said Monday he stepped down as spokesman for the group and leader of its Roanoke unit over the weekend following revelations that some NSM members are involved with a group called the Joy of Satan. According to White and others, the satanic group engages in inappropriate sexual discussions with children through its Teens for Satan e-mail group."

by **Joe Hillshoist** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 1:35 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Teens for Satan <hr></blockquote> Gotta love that concept. Do you sign up and get a special showbag with mickey mouse ears, I mean devils horns.

by **biaothanatoi** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 3:20 am

You can see the "logic" of the link between Satanism and statutory rape/paedophilia - it's a belief system that about power, transgression, individualism, pleasure-seeking. In an environment where moral law isn't just ignored, it's denounced ... sex with a minor could be the 'ultimate' expression of your convictions. I don't buy the LeVeyian-Crowleyian "break every rule, indulge in every pleasure, but we'd never do anything illegal, that would be naughty" caveat. This has zero value coming from men for whom honesty has no place in their belief system. I wonder what the crossover is between satanism and neonazism/aryanism? Wonder if there is really any distinction at all?

by **Joe Hillshoist** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 3:59 am

The whole point of the original thelemic concep*pt was to "do what you will", and "what you will" is an expression of your true will, which is identified as the will of God in relation to your actions, ie when you enact your true will you are doing God's will. Cos they are inseperable. But it goes downhill from there. Actually expecting someone as ill disciplined and ego obsessed as Crowley to actually understand what they were talking about is a bit of a stretch in my mind. All religions have some concept of serving and being a steward to life hidden somewhere in the dogma. But the whole thelemite/Satanist worldview doesn't include this vital part. Its no wonder their stuff leads where it does. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>I wonder what the crossover is between satanism and neonazism/aryanism? Wonder if there is really any distinction at all?<hr></blockquote> To me it seems like another case of the same shit in a different coloured bucket. Especially if you look carefully at what levey says. He seems to be implying that might is right, that power is all that matters and the only use for it is to hurt others (and to get off). Neonazism seems like all the nastiness of Hitler's time without even grounding it in some "nationalism" ie looking after the German land and its people. (BTW as someone who has a personal religion based in "the land", I find the National Socialist or NAZI version of "love for country" and teutonic land worship to be complete crap and extremely offensive.) The Aryan Brotherhood, in its original form took a more decent attitude (we are talking about a group that formed in US prisons, so the ref to decency is in that context). There is no real power structure in prison to look after whitefellas the way there is in society. Thats where the Aryan Brotherhood came from, I am sure it was allowed to flourish because of its particular ID. But it was originally one racially based group in a prison system full of them. Its success is probably due to the inherent racism in US society more than anything else. Interviews with former members (as I saw on SBS tv in Australia earlier this year) indicated that after a short while, once the organisation became an institution in itself, the Atryan Brotherhood became more concerned about killing its own members than anyone else. I guess if you want to draw a link between Neonazism, satanism and the lust for power thats a pretty good start. The Northern Star had another headline about the KKK being in the Northern Rivers area this week BTW. A couple of years ago there were reports of burning crosses on some hills out round Casino (the NSW Beef Town). If you knew what I did about that town and the abuse and rape (not stautory, just violent and viagra fueled) then perhaps you would see another connection. But I won't give the details here.

by jc » Fri Jul 14, 2006 7:56 am

re the highlighted: <blockquote>Quote:<hr>I don't buy the LeVeyian-Crowleyian "break every rule, indulge in every pleasure, but we'd never do anything illegal, that would be naughty" caveat. This has zero value coming from men for whom honesty has no place in their belief system. <hr></blockquote> i didn't know there was anything to buy. i always thought if people actually listened to what's being said, they'd have seen this vile sophistry for what it is. LaVey, Crowley and their ilk don't believe in law to begin with, so how could they, in their own minds, and according to their belief in their own superiority be doing anything illegal? even paraphrased it's staring you in the face: <blockquote>Quote:<hr>"break every rule, indulge in every pleasure, but we'd never do anything illegal,<hr></blockquote> to do something illegal in their "system" would be to go against their ONE dictum: "do what thou wilt shall be the WHOLE of the law." that's the point for them isn't it? "everything is permitted." the law as we understand it is for us: the sheep. they, on the other hand are evolved supreme beings who know better and are ABOVE the law. the scum… they have no feelings, no remorse, nothing. reminds me of the republican who said "we create reality, and while you're studying it, we create a new one." (paraphrase) these people would just love it if they could sell us on the idea that what they're doing is all "natural, all chemicals or genetic or part of the culture. it's just the way to be, this is true freedom" or whatever. also, Sade's reputation taken into consideration (i.e. what we're told about who he is and how he "liberated" everyone) i find it interesting that he wrote in his preface to a little know work of his: "Incest," that the reason he wrote was in order to show people the consequences of complete freedom. and none, NOT ONE, of these "intellectual, academic, liberation theologians" EVER told me this. (i had to read it in his book myself, (and i only read the preface, figured if that was his point i didn't have to read the damned thing.)) the man was actually tried and sent to prison by the Revolutionary Council accused of being, of all things, reactionary. one thing that to me really reveals the sad state of "education" and "academia" in our world is when people buy into absurd, overgeneralized, self contradictory and downright STOOPID claims such as: <blockquote>Quote:<hr>nothing is true. everything is permitted.<hr></blockquote> which entails that the sentence itself: "nothing is true…" is false, and if false something must be true. and if the sentence is true it contradicts itself as it would read "nothing (ExCEPT THIS SENTENCE) is true." how stupid can you get, bubba? or this one, which is a mere variation on the theme: <blockquote>Quote:<hr>everything is relative.<hr></blockquote> not to knock einstein but i've been thrown out of classes and failed (in itself a contradiction of the claim seeing that my thinking was FALSE) for (1) objecting to the prevalent interpretation of that statement which is that everything is equally true: nothing is true: relativism; and (2) for pointing out the fact that if you grant the premise then the sentence itself: "everything is relative," is selfcontradictory. the sentence itself being a "universal" claim, i.e. an "absolute," can mean one of two things: (a) either the sentence itself is exempt which would entail emendation along these lines: "everything (except this sentence) is relative," or (b) the sentence itself is covered by the term "everything," and reads "everything (including this sentence) is relative," which renders it meaningless, absurd, plain southern comfort stupid. [on edit: all that i object to above (as far as i can tell) is very Foucault and Derrida by the way, super modern and trendy acedemically, a lot of booksales, tenures and carriers involved. can't knock it. that's a no no.] whatever… peace, y'all Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=jc@rigorousintuition>jc</A> at: 7/14/06 7:37 am

by **blanc** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:28 am

yup jc I'm still struggling 6 years on with advice from Queens Counsel "the law is on the side of the criminal" ... eh?

by jc » Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:33 am

blanc, <blockquote>Quote:<hr>"the law is on the side of the criminal"<hr></blockquote> they actually SAID that. i always thought it was there to protect the innocent/victim. "wrong thought, failed again jc." my "teachers" would always say i didn't appreciate the "complexity." urk… Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=jc@rigorousintuition>jc</A> at: 7/14/06 7:55 am

by **Avalon** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 2:16 pm

I wonder which direction the flow is. Are the white supremacists developing an interest in Satanism? Or are the Satanists developing a more organized racist faction?

Neo-Nazi Satanic pedo politics flips out Nat. Socialists

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