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Postby Rigorous Intuition » Mon Jul 24, 2006 10:05 pm

<!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=Pn5uY9etyEo&search=Sinead%20O%27Connor">Sinead video</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>I haven't seen this since it was broadcast in '92, when all I could think was, <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>What the hell just happened?</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>I hadn't realized she'd changed the words:<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Until, the ignoble and unhappy regime which holds<br>All of us through child abuse, yay-ah - child abuse, yay-ah<br>Has been toppled, utterly destroyed, everywhere is war.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>What a moment. Like a dagger to the heart of the beast. <p></p><i></i>
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confidence in the victory of good over evil

Postby Mentalgongfu » Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:02 pm

I watched this live on TV when it first aired. I was a little tike then. I must've been 11, if my math is right. I didn't understand the signifignace. At first I didn't even understand what she did, and my parents told me she ripped up a picture of the Pope. I had to ask who the Pope was, and why it mattered that his picture got torn up. Wish I remembered how they responded. <br><br>I didn't realize what song she was singing until re-watching this a moment ago. <br><br>And wow. No subtlety there with the timing of the picture. No wonder it caused such a stir. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: confidence in the victory of good over evil

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Tue Jul 25, 2006 1:16 am

Even Pete Seeger has said in recent interviews that social progress will come from mothers and children to heal each successive generation more and more.<br><br>Seeger said "We are descendents of pretty good killers. That's why we're here. We survived."<br><br>The War sickness, it is a male disease left over from our species' childhood on the savannah.<br><br>This site is highly recommended. Our species' has a kind of MK-ULTRA history of perpetual trauma in childhood that has shaped civilisations and thus our history. <br><br>The improvement of the psychological upbringing of children is the current Great Leap Forward in process but being held back by the American War machine's Army Corp of Social Engineering which is trying to wring as much nationalist violence out of the population as possible before we just won't play that game anymore.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://psychohistory.com/">psychohistory.com/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr> View articles free from The Journal of Psychohistory:<br>         "The History of Child Abuse" by Lloyd deMause<br>         "The Political Consequences of Child Abuse" by Alice Miller<br>         "25-Year Subject Index to the Journal" by Lloyd deMause<br>         "The Universality of Incest" by Lloyd deMause<br>         "On Writing Childhood History" by Lloyd deMause<br>         "Childhood Nightmares and Dreams of Revenge" by Alenka Puhar<br>         "'Heads and Tails': Money as a Poison Container" by Lloyd deMause<br>Foundations of Psychohistory by Lloyd deMause:<br>         View the entire book here FREE<br>Reagan's America by Lloyd deMause:<br>         View the entire book here FREE<br><br>View complete chapters FREE from The Emotional Life of Nations by Lloyd deMause (or purchase from www.otherpress.com):<br>         "Preface"<br>         "The Assassination of Leaders"<br>         "The Gulf War as a Mental Disorder"<br>         "The Childhood Origins of Terrorism"<br>         "Restaging Early Traumas in War and Social Violence"<br>         "The Psychogenic Theory of History"<br>         "War as Righteous Rape and Purification"<br>         "Childhood and Cultural Evolution"<br>         "The Evolution of Childrearing"<br>         "The Evolution of the Psyche and Society"<br>PSYCHOHISTORY Discussion List<br>Lloyd deMause, psychohistorian<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: confidence in the victory of good over evil

Postby Dreams End » Tue Jul 25, 2006 2:31 am

Looking up Sinead I see that she was ordained in 2003 in the Palmarian Catholic Church, an ultraconservative splinter from the Catholic Church. They viewed the church as infested with progressives and communists and strongly denounced Vatican 2. <br><br>And, as so often happens with abuse victims, as O'Connor surely was, she ends up under the control of another likely abusive organization:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Clemente Domínguez y Gómez (1946-2005), one of the seers in the alleged Marian apparitions of Palmar de Troya, Spain (1968-1976) and later a “Thuc Bishop”, consecrated by the Vietnamese Archbishop on January 11, 1976. In 1978, Domínguez (in the meantime blinded by a car accident in May 1976) revealed that he had been mystically designated by Jesus Christ as the new Pope in a 1976 vision, and his followers confirmed his election as “Pope Gregory XVII” (the same name adopted by Tremblay in Québec). His “Catholic, Apostolic and Palmarian Church” (named after the town of Palmar de Troya) is probably the single largest organization bowing to the authority of an “alternative” Pope, with more than a thousand followers in Spain and several hundreds more internationally. In the 1990s, however, Domínguez was accused of sexual immorality with several nuns of the order he had established in the meantime; in 1997, he admitted his sins and asked for his community’s forgiveness. Most followers remained loyal to Domínguez and to his hand-picked successor, former lawyer and “Thuc Bishop” Manuel Alonso Corral. Others, however, have both doubted the sincerity of Domínguez in his apology and questioned his decision to appoint a successor rather than leave this choice to a conclave including the many cardinals he had in the meantime appointed from among his Bishops. At the end of 2000, 17 Bishops with a couple of hundred followers left the Palmarian Church, and formed a splinter movement known as “The Tribe”. Dominguez died on March 21, 2005. It has been succeeded by Manuel Alonso Corral, who has been crowned as Pope on March 26 under the name of Peter II.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.cesnur.org/2005/gregory.htm">link</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Admittedly, it could have been consensual sex with the nuns...I don't really care what they do in private but it stinks to high heaven to me as some sort of cultish group. I don't know if O'Connor has stayed with them. <p></p><i></i>
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Postby blanc » Tue Jul 25, 2006 7:56 am

yes, vid has it set out. not sure I agree that we survived because we were violent (HMW) I think we survived because we learned to co-operate in a way that enabled the protection of a slow developing bigger brained young, and created many varied sublimated forms of expression. violence -hmm a throw back to something else? <p></p><i></i>
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Sinead O'Connor video

Postby greencrow0 » Tue Jul 25, 2006 11:01 am

Hi Everyone:<br><br>Did you notice that there's a wierd blip about one quarter or one third into the video where there are some words edited out and the result is that Sinead rolls her eyes upward and sticks her tongue out?<br><br>It makes her look demented.<br><br>What words were edited out and did anyone else notice this?<br><br>GC <p></p><i></i>
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something missing from the clip

Postby Rigorous Intuition » Tue Jul 25, 2006 11:10 am

was the photo Sinead held up before singing:<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.morethings.com/music/sinead/sinead_oconnor_pictures/snl_1992war-pope/saturday_night_live10-3-1992sinead_occonor-war-pope01.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br>FYI, there are about 100 images from the incident in <br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.morethings.com/music/sinead/sinead_oconnor_pictures/snl_1992war-pope/index.htm">this gallery</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->.<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.morethings.com/music/sinead/sinead_oconnor_pictures/snl_1992war-pope/saturday_night_live10-3-1992sinead_occonor-war-pope78.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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