Child porn case against Karr hits a snag

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Child porn case against Karr hits a snag

Postby Rigorous Intuition » Thu Sep 21, 2006 12:22 pm

<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Child porn case against Karr hits a snag</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>Prosecutors can’t find computer that allegedly contained illegal images<br><br>SANTA ROSA, Calif. - Efforts to prosecute one-time JonBenet Ramsey murder suspect John Mark Karr on child pornography charges should not be jeopardized even though his computer that allegedly contained the images was lost, Sonoma County authorities said Wednesday.<br><br>Authorities seized the computer from Karr’s home in 2001 and copied the entire hard drive onto paper, including the five illicit images, said Sheriff’s Department Lt. Dave Edmonds. He said authorities looked for the computer for the past two weeks, but have had no luck.<br><br>“We did an exhaustive search. We have probably hundreds of thousands of evidence items and we’re certain at this point, through a couple of weeks of effort, that it’s not misplaced inside of our property unit,” he said.<br><br>Karr, 41, has maintained his innocence in the case.<br><br>On Tuesday, prosecutors offered Karr a plea deal that would waive three of the five child pornography possession charges against Karr if he pleaded guilty to the two remaining ones. Karr would get credit for time served, would be placed on probation for three years and would be required to register as a sex offender.<br><br>“I wonder if that was the impetus of the offer today,” Karr’s attorney, Robert Amparan, said. “It seems like a pretty embarrassing mistake for the Sheriff’s Department to admit.”<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14937513">msnbc</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Child porn case against Karr hits a snag

Postby Rigorous Intuition » Thu Sep 21, 2006 12:46 pm

<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Prosecutors offer plea deal to John Mark Karr</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>One-time JonBenet murder suspect could go free in deal on porn charges<br><br>SANTA ROSA, Calif. - One-time JonBenet Ramsey murder suspect John Mark Karr was offered a plea deal Tuesday on child pornography charges that would free him on probation.<br><br>Assistant District Attorney Joann Risse said prosecutors would waive three of the five child pornography possession charges against him if he pleaded guilty on two remaining charges.<br><br>Karr, 41, would get credit for time served and would be placed on probation for three years.<br><br><br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14912133">msnbc</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Wow

Postby Col Quisp » Thu Sep 21, 2006 12:49 pm

First they get him out of Thailand, then they drop the charges re: Ramsey, then they "lose" this evidence. He must be a pretty important asset. What is going on here? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Wow

Postby sunny » Thu Sep 21, 2006 12:56 pm

Reposted from JonBenet thread:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/speak_out/article/0,2777,DRMN_23970_5001281,00.html">www.rockymountainnews.com...81,00.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Speakout: Karr a modern-day Elephant Man<br> By Gary Harris <br>September 18, 2006<br><br>Before succumbing to the high farce being perpetrated against John Mark Karr by the Boulder-Sonoma axis, News readers might want to consider the following facts: <br>Before Boulder District Attorney Mary Lacy initially lined up Karr for death row in the JonBenet Ramsey murder case, there was no hint he had ever abused a child - by all accounts, he was a loving father to his three sons. Karr has no history of drug abuse, crime or violence. He is an animal rescuer and has a keen sense of humor. Though highly intelligent, Karr can be argumentative and temperamental and cannot keep a job. <br><br>Behavioral scientists tell us that psychopaths and pedophiles do not wait until age 37 to manifest their demons; instead they begin setting fires, torturing animals, peeping into windows, molesting children and exhibiting violent propensities early on. Karr has never exhibited any of these traits. <br><br>The murder of JonBenet Ramsey at Christmastime 1996 mesmerized Karr and, while living in Hamilton, Alabama, he began obsessively compiling information for a book about her which his father, Wex Karr, had suggested he write. <br><br>In July 2000, Karr sold his meager possessions, loaded his wife and three sons into their beat-up van and set out for California where, in the spring of 2001, Karr met Wendy Hutchens, longtime friend of Richard Allen Davis, the infamous murderer of 12-year-old Polly Klaas. Karr wanted to interview Davis to gain insight into the psyche of a child murderer. Hutchens gave Karr an entree to Davis and he interviewed him in prison. <br><br>At some point early on in their relationship, Hutchens apparently became persuaded of Karr's involvement in the Ramsey case, contacted law enforcement officials and began taping her conversations with him. (<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Although a purported 10 hours of recordings were made, we have to wonder why less than 1 percent of the tapes have been aired.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->) At the beginning of one of the tapes we have heard, Hutchens asks Karr to profile JonBenet's killer: How did he kill her? What was going through his mind? (In one of Karr's instant messages to University of Colorado communications professor Michael Tracey, he explains how Hutchens persisted in her requests to entrap him into playing the role of JonBenet's killer.) <br><br>Karr relented and Hutchens eventually turned the tapes over to those she had contacted at the FBI and Sonoma County Sheriff's Department, laying claim to the $100,000 reward being offered by the Ramsey camp. <br><br>If the tapes incriminated Karr in JonBenet's murder, why did Hutchens fail to collect a dime? If the tapes did not implicate Karr in the crime, they certainly could not have formed the basis for the issuance of a valid search warrant. <br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Nevertheless, Sonoma proceeded to raid Karr's home in April 2001, seize his computer and charge him with possession of five photos depicting "child pornography" despite the fact they had been deleted and buried in the unallocated space on the computer, thus rendering the photos inaccessible to Karr. It took a highly trained computer expert using sophisticated software techniques to recover the photos before Sonoma could view them.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> <br><br>Can we not presume that Sonoma has determined the name(s) and age(s) of the depicted "child" or "children" during the five years since Karr's arrest? If not, Karr's acquittal under the California statute in question is a certainty. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Moreover, why has Sonoma refused to release the police report, warrant affidavit, etc., to the public as required under California law?</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> <br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Karr remained in jail for six months under a $100,000 bond - unprecedented in the history of the American criminal justice system.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> Violent felons are routinely released on much lower bonds every day in America. The purpose of a bond is not to keep the defendant in jail while awaiting trial, but rather to ensure his presence at trial. Given the lack of any criminal record, Karr should have been released on his own recognizance. We can only try to imagine the hostile treatment he received while incarcerated; it is little wonder he ran as soon as he was released. <br><br>Meanwhile, Sonoma says it gave the Hutchens tapes to Boulder in 2001, but Mary Lacy proclaimed to the world on Aug. 29, 2006, that she had never heard of Karr or the Hutchens tapes until August 2006. It strains credulity to believe that Sonoma and the FBI procured tapes that ostensibly deal with one of the most famous unsolved murder cases in American history, but simply failed to notify Boulder. Either Sonoma or Boulder is lying and fully engaged in a giant cover-up of their incompetence. <br><br>John Karr's life has been destroyed. He can never work again. He will probably never be allowed to see his children again. Karr has been turned into a modern-day Elephant Man to be stared at, cursed, physically attacked, and vilified for the rest of his life. <br><br>Gary Harris has practiced law in Georgia for 39 years and lives with his wife in the northeast Georgia mountains. Although he has represented various Karr family members in civil matters over last 20 years, the opinions expressed herein are solely his own. <br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Child porn case against Karr hits a snag

Postby alice » Thu Sep 21, 2006 12:57 pm

Last night I read an article written by the Karr family lawyer , Gary Harris, in which he stated that the images alleged to be on the computer were stored in an inaccesible part of the computer...ie Karr had not stored them so that he could look at them and further that they may be images that were sent to him by the woman (?) whose name I cannot remember who was discussing the case with Karr , when he became fascinated by it, prior to his long e-mail conversations with the journalism professor Lacey. <br><br>Sadly I cannot reconfigure the tangenital path I was on that took me to the article , but it was written for a local paper and came with a disclaimer that these were his personal views ,as it was a paper he wrote a regular column for or something ...I think it said he lived in Georgia ?<br>I have tried googling him and karr and can find interviews with him but nothing as substantive as what I read last night. <br><br>Can some clever clogs maybe trace it ?<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Child porn case against Karr hits a snag

Postby alice » Thu Sep 21, 2006 12:59 pm

whoops it seems they already have <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :eek --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eek.gif ALT=":eek"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br>sorry <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :o --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/embarassed.gif ALT=":o"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Child porn case against Karr hits a snag

Postby sunny » Thu Sep 21, 2006 1:01 pm

alice, look at the post above yours. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Child porn case against Karr hits a snag

Postby sunny » Thu Sep 21, 2006 1:06 pm

Hey alice, don't be embarrassed, I sometimes skim too quickly, as well. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Child porn case against Karr hits a snag

Postby alice » Thu Sep 21, 2006 1:08 pm

Thanks sunny I did ...hence my "whoops" post . <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>Can I ask when you say posted from the Jonbenet thread ,do you mean here or elsewhere , and if here erm where is it please ? <br>I am pretty rubbish at finding my way around . <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Child porn case against Karr hits a snag

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Thu Sep 21, 2006 1:08 pm

Don't forget that the day that the DNA test which exonerated Karr was announced there was an NBC-televised raid on a house in Petaluma, CA (Polly Klaas town) where 30 men had been lured with promises of child sex. According to the press.<br><br>Keeping this emotional ball in the air seems extremely important to somebody.<br><br>My take - Generating moral outrage to be transferred elsewhere, like elections or Iran with the usual 'law and order' formula.<br><br>Plus it appears that Karr became a patsy in some military-industrial paedophile thing which is being buried by being Orwellified into aforementioned transferrable moral outrage.<br><br>Turning liabilities into assets is something spooks excel at. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=hughmanateewins>Hugh Manatee Wins</A> at: 9/21/06 11:09 am<br></i>
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Re: Child porn case against Karr hits a snag

Postby sunny » Thu Sep 21, 2006 1:15 pm

alice, I'll bump it up to the front page for you. Hang on a sec. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Child porn case against Karr hits a snag

Postby alice » Thu Sep 21, 2006 1:36 pm

Got it Sunny.<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>Hugh ,that reminds me of another thing I read a few days back . It was a timeline and as a helpful aid to recalling just exactly when each twist and turn was in the case , it had an event posted alongside each date . eg. Clinton's attack on Somalia etc etc . <br>I don't think it's purpose was to point up the juxtaposition of these things ,but it was there all the same. I will attempt to find it and post it ...if sunny doesn't beat me to it . <br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: An event timeline

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Thu Sep 21, 2006 1:51 pm

Alice, that would be very useful.<br><br>Too often people look at events in a vacuum and frequently fail to see the context of the timing along with other events used in a media game of psychic poker.<br><br>The CIA media managers use 'units of meaning' to evoke emotions to be exploited. Timing is everything in working up a mob to be directed at sanctioned targets.<br><br>I think the fear of being FRAMED as a sex offender is a principle control mechanism for keeping people in line in military, government, business, media, etc.<br><br>It is the social equivalent of being kicked off the island and thrown to the sharks. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: An event timeline

Postby sunny » Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:11 am

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,215110,00.html">www.foxnews.com/story/0,2...10,00.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>John Mark Karr Rejects Plea Deal in Child Porn Case<br>Thursday, September 21, 2006<br><br><br>SANTA ROSA, Calif. — One-time JonBenet murder suspect John Mark Karr rejected a deal from prosecutors that would have freed him on probation in exchange for a guilty plea on child pornography charges, his lawyer said Thursday.<br><br>"My client has maintained his innocence throughout these proceedings, and he is not going to plead guilty to a crime that he did not commit," Karr's attorney, Robert Amparan, told the San Francisco Chronicle. "We have no intention of accepting that offer."<br><br>The deal, presented Tuesday, would have waived three of the five misdemeanor child pornography possession charges against Karr if he pleaded guilty to the two remaining ones. He would get credit for time served, would be placed on probation for three years and would be required to register as a sex offender.<br><br>Karr, 41, remained in Sonoma County jail Thursday on $200,000 bail. His trial date was set for Oct. 2.<br><br><br>The plea deal offer came the same day that Sonoma County authorities admitted they lost Karr's computer, seized in 2001, that they said held the five illicit images.<br><br>Key Evidence Missing in John Mark Karr Child Porn Case John Mark Karr Offered Plea Deal That Would Release Him on Probation on Child Porn Charges John Mark Karr Stands by Not Guilty Pleas in Child Porn Case Former JonBenet Slaying Suspect Karr Arrives in California to Face Charges Former JonBenet Slaying Suspect John Mark Karr Headed to California Authorities insisted that the missing computer would not jeopardize their case against Karr because the entire hard drive was copied and the child porn images were printed out.<br><br>"They say they have a mirror image. I haven't been provided with a mirror image," Amparan said.<br><br>Assistant District Attorney Larry Scoufos has denied that the missing computer was the impetus for offering Karr the plea deal. He did not return calls for comment Thursday.<br><br>Karr, who worked as a schoolteacher in Petaluma and Napa in 2001, first made headlines when he was arrested last month after making phone calls and writing e-mails suggesting he killed JonBenet Ramsey, a six-year-old beauty queen, in her Boulder, Colo., home in 1996.<br><br>He was returned to the U.S. from Thailand, but the Ramsey case quickly collapsed after DNA failed to connect him to the crime.<br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: An event timeline

Postby sunny » Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:12 am

alice:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Hugh ,that reminds me of another thing I read a few days back . It was a timeline and as a helpful aid to recalling just exactly when each twist and turn was in the case , it had an event posted alongside each date . eg. Clinton's attack on Somalia etc etc . <br>I don't think it's purpose was to point up the juxtaposition of these things ,but it was there all the same. I will attempt to find it and post it ...if sunny doesn't beat me to it .<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br>alice, I haven't read that. It <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>would</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> be useful. <p></p><i></i>
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