Is Karr's release about CA prop. 83? GPS for life.

by **Hugh Manatee Wins** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 2:49 am

California voters have proposition 83 to vote on, "Jessica's Law.". It is the typical 'more punishment' sex offender bill but with the added twist of...Global Positioning System tracking of registered sex offenders...for life. There's even a possibility of creating a 'sex offender colony' as suggested by a man working as an advocate for offenders who are hounded from place to place and would have even fewer places to live with prop. 83's additional restrictions. Is this just sounding too good to be true for a police-state? Mayber Karr was the needed anxiety-producer to slam-dunk this. <a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-offenders30sep30,0,4216230.story?coll=la-home-headlines">www.latimes.com/news/loca...-headlines</a> <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Sex Offender Colony Proposed if Proposition Passes By Jenifer Warren, Times Staff Writer 7:45 PM PDT, September 29, 2006 Sacramento, Calif. -- A registered sex offender who says he would be forced to move from his San Francisco home under a California November ballot initiative wants to form a colony for himself and others who may be displaced if the measure passes.  Jake Goldenflame, an author who also leads support groups for sex felons, said Proposition 83 threatens to create chaos and wandering bands of rootless men by banning ex-offenders from living near schools and parks. In a letter mailed this week to Attorney General Bill Lockyer and lawmakers, he suggested creating a place of refuge for sex offenders, perhaps at a former military base. He also asked that the Legislature delay enforcement of the initiative -- which enjoys a strong lead in the polls -- until such a colony could be established. "It's very likely that this measure will pass, and when it does, sex offenders will face desperation," said Goldenflame, 69, who served a prison term of five years in the 1980s for molesting his daughter. "Most of those facing banishment will either go underground or go homeless. I'm trying to offer a humane alternative."<hr></blockquote> Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=hughmanateewins>Hugh Manatee Wins</A> at: 10/6/06 12:51 am

by **Joe Hillshoist** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 3:40 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr><a href="http://cbs2.com/topstories/local_story_271085545.html" target="top">Missing evidence in the child porn case against could set the one-time JonBenet Ramsey murder suspect free for a second time. Karr's lawyers argued yesterday that the charges against their client should be dropped after Sonoma County authorities admitted they lost the computer that allegedly held the images. Prosecutors had said they made copies of everything. But now the deputies say even those copies of the five allegedly pornographic images are missing. A detective also testified that he recently found more child porn among 1,600 pornographic images on computer disks taken from Karr in 2001. Karr has not been charged in connection with those images</a>.<hr></blockquote> Karr's release is about there being no evidence against him. Hugh sometimes you are looking so hard for things that you miss what's actually there. This bloke could be released because there is no evidence to support the charge against him. now there could be no evidence because there was never any, or because the prosecutors are incompetent and have lost it. Either way thats what this is about. You alienate people by saying things like: <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Is Karr's release about CA prop. 83? GPS for life.<hr></blockquote> When its obviously not. If you said something like "will Karr's release be spun to support Ca. prop 83?" you would have more cred. Its a shit of a bill tho. A sex offender is a pretty wide ranging group of offences, some alot worse than others. There have been a spate of cases where people have had relationships with students, and ended up on sex offender registers, I remember one a few years ago where the offender, a teacher in her early or mid twenties was busted for having sex with a 17 year final year high school student, they were still in a relationship years later at her trial he expressed disgust at what was happening to her. Not to condone her obviously unprofessional behaviour, but where is the victim? He was victimised more by the court's decision than the so called offence. mind you thats an unusual example. Sending obscene material over the internet at work? Can that get you on a sex offender register? What if its a joke or a comic that is sexually suggestive, or a bit rude, but a joke? And who is next? Drink drivers, drug users, downloaders? <blockquote>Quote:<hr>In a letter mailed this week to Attorney General Bill Lockyer and lawmakers, he suggested creating a place of refuge for sex offenders, perhaps at a former military base.<hr></blockquote> Gotta love that, you could have security gaurds, to keep vigilanties out, barbed and razor wire to keep stop them sneaking in, big fences and gates. Sounds like most modern suburban developments actually.

by **Hugh Manatee Wins** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 4:28 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr> Hugh sometimes you are looking so hard for things that you miss what's actually there. You alienate people by saying things like: Quote:Is Karr's release about CA prop. 83? GPS for life. When its obviously not. If you said something like "will Karr's release be spun to support Ca. prop 83?" you would have more cred.<hr></blockquote> "When its obviously not." No, this is NOT obvious. And my post was to open the door to prop. 83 and GPS and examine it. In America, that's what a question mark means. 'interrogative.'. And "about" is pretty open-ended, not "alienating." (What's the name of this website?) Joe, I know that history of Karr's 'missing evidence.' I read here constantly plus keep an eye on Operation Mockingbird media. I do appreciate your compiling the links but I'm getting tired of the patronizing tone from Professor Pan, Robert Reed, and orz all treating me as if I was just born and wasn't instead barely posting a fraction of the info I have. Events are both generated intentionally and used when they arise opportunistically. Maybe if I made that my signature quote I wouldn't be getting all this flack like "prove it" and "you're nuts for claiming an over-arching megaconspiracy of total control." sheesh. I'll find more info on the role of GPS and Total Information Awareness and NSA datamining for ya, Joe. That's what I think Karr et all is being used for, intentionally or opportunistically.  I also know the technology already in the wings waiting for the legislation to track all Americans all the time and begin with the 'untouchables' who are convicted, guilty or not, of sex crimes. GPS stands for both Global Positioning System and I'd add Grand Prison Strategy. I've already posted on the massive computer capability in a facility out near the US's Strategic Defense command that OBVIOUSLY isn't just to track a few guys who can't keep their weenie in their pocket. (looking for link) California has had an ongoing battle over whether or not to put RFID chips in driver's licenses. So far, they've been held at bay. I know the injustice system has long been used to dispose of political prisoners and the GPS tracking thing is an abomination against the Constitution that is one chip away from remote-control tazering. That's the kind of yearned-for technological control we must consider a real possibility to prevent it.

by **Joe Hillshoist** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 8:33 pm

Hugh we are arguing over semantics, but if I make an observaton, sometimes the semaqntics you use make it easier for people to miss your point in what seems "Like a grand overarching mega conspiracy of control." Jeez, I feel like a complete prat saying that. About someone's use of words and criticising them. Sorry. Anyway To me its obvious Karrs release was about the judge deciding that there was no way a verdict could be found, beyond reasonable doubt. Now many people see that as some conspiracy, and I agree many elements of Karr and his story seem far beyond dodgy. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Events are both generated intentionally and used when they arise opportunistically. Maybe if I made that my signature quote I wouldn't be getting all this flack like "prove it" and "you're nuts for claiming an over-arching megaconspiracy of total control."<hr></blockquote> That could be right on the money hugh. Cos to be honest, whoever the players are, grand overarching mega conspiracy of control is the bedrock of our society today. Its where the zeitgeist is heading. Dataming and GPS tracking are pretty fucked up IMO. I know releasing child sex offenders into society can be frought with risk, and politically make people an easy target. <blockquote>Quote:<hr> California has had an ongoing battle over whether or not to put RFID chips in driver's licenses. So far, they've been held at bay.<hr></blockquote> But thats where it seems to be heading. Stopping it is a good idea IMO. There is something similar on the "cards" (ha) in Australia, a "smart card" containing all your data, social security, medical, and other things, talk of the RFID chip coming with that too. It'll probably find its way in there by some side route. I do think Karrs release will serve the agenda you are talking about. Spreading the idea that Karr is obviously guilty of something we just can't get it together to show what, and so in the interests of saving the children we should chip everyone accused of any sex offense in case they committ some heinous crime. That seems not to far fetched at all IMO. In fact you might find people calling for this right now. One more point on the Karr case. Whether he had child pron or not is irrelevent in some ways, because it was not able to be proved (for whatever reason, sus or not). And he was released and charges dropped. As unpalatable as it may seem, that is the system working the way it should. Providing the protections Bushes latest (Ruddock inspired?) piece of power grabbing fascism is aimed at removing.

by **Hugh Manatee Wins** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 9:43 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>And he was released and charges dropped. As unpalatable as it may seem, that is the system working the way it should.<hr></blockquote> Good point, Joe. Unfortunately, I have a feeling that will be temporary. Journalist Seymour Hersh is warning that schemes coming out of this criminal White House during the lame duck years of 2007 and 2008 with no election restraints will be very scary, indeed. We're all going to need all the creds we can muster. "Schemes are both generated from scratch and patched together opportunistically."

by **orz** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 9:48 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Events are both generated intentionally and used when they arise opportunistically. Maybe if I made that my signature quote I wouldn't be getting all this flack like "prove it" and "you're nuts for claiming an over-arching megaconspiracy of total control."<hr></blockquote> No, we'd be instead accusing you of trying to have your cake and eat it... <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> You could (and sometimes do) very strongly imply something's intentional but then when called on it back down and say "oh well they just opportunistically took advantage of it" <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes">

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