Sleaze row - LIHOP ?

by **rain** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 2:36 am

posting this mostly 'cos it mentions Patty Wetterling. anyone know Wetterling's position re: the Gosch/Franklin type issues. ? Sleaze row engulfs Republican hopefuls The Democrats look likely to make midterm gains as Bush tries to recover from scandals Paul Harris in New York Sunday October 8, 2006 The Observer The White House has been rocked by the resignation of a top aide to political guru Karl Rove after the official was implicated in the Jack Abramoff lobbying scandal. The revelation comes at a disastrous time for President George Bush as crucial mid-term elections have already been hit by sleazy sex allegations that Republican Mark Foley was sexually preying on young congressional pages. The news that Rove's close ally, Susan Ralston, had been accepting gifts from criminally convicted Abramoff in return for insider information about goings-on at the White House will add to the sense that the elections are now all about sleaze and corruption. That is a setback to Republican aims of fighting its campaign on terrorism and Iraq. White House officials admitted that Ralston was resigning now to try to minimise the impact of the scandal on the election campaign. 'She did not want to be a distraction to the White House at this important time,' said a White House spokesman. But that is unlikely to see the scandal ignored by a Democratic party increasingly sensing that its fortunes have changed and that corruption and sleaze allegations will work for it in a way that debates about terrorism and Iraq have not. Ralston's resignation has brought the sprawling Abramoff scandal into the White House. The scandal exposes the now convicted lobbyist's web of influence and intrigue that has triggered a rash of prosecutions in Washington. Ralston was an organiser of presidential events and public liaison within the White House and widely seen as the 'right hand' to Rove. But it has now been revealed that she acted as an intermediary between Abramoff and Rove in return for highly sought-after tickets for sports and entertainment events often worth thousands of dollars. Emails between Abramoff and Ralston reveal naked lobbying by Abramoff on behalf of his political and corporate clients. They also reveal Ralston asking for free tickets, including for a basketball game in Washington in 2001. 'Are floor seats available?' Ralston wrote in one email to Abramoff seeking tickets worth $1,300. 'For you? Anything!' he replied. In the face of the wave of scandal now engulfing their campaign, Republican operatives across the country are now on the back foot. Democrat strategists have lost little time in making sleaze the centrepiece of their campaigns. Across America, Democrat adverts are slamming the Republicans over the Foley scandal, trying to link individual Republican candidates to the affair. They did not let up yesterday as the Democrats used one of their congressional candidates, Patty Wetterling, to launch an attack on Republicans over Foley. Wetterling, who is running in Minnesota, lost her son when he was abducted 17 years ago. She directly linked the Republicans to the issue of child sexual predation. 'We need a new direction in Congress because our children need strong voices. We need to stop the sexual exploitation of children across the country, and in Washington we must hold accountable all those complicit in allowing this victimisation to happen,' Wetterling said. That sort of attack is a Republican nightmare. While the party is happy to fight its election campaign on issues of national security, the Foley scandal has rocked the party's social conservative base. These voters are overwhelmingly religious and often oppose gay rights. The exposure of Foley as a closet homosexual who abused his position to carry on internet affairs with young men is toxic to such Republican voters in a way that revelations over faulty Iraq war intelligence never are. Republican strategists are now referring to the Foley scandal as 'Hurricane Mark' for the devastating impact it is having on their core support. The fear is that these voters, while unlikely to vote Democrat, will instead just stay away from the polls as a way of protesting. Nor is the issue likely to go away. Pressure is still out there for other Republican politicians to resign, including Speaker Dennis Hastert, over when and what they knew about Foley and whether they did not act quickly enough to stop him. Most experts now believe that Democrats have a real chance of taking back control of both Houses of Congress. They need to win six seats in the 100-member Senate to take back control and to win 15 seats in the 435-member House of Representatives. In surveys last week by polling firm Zogby International, Democrats were shown surging in many key races across the country and leading strongly in at least 11 of their 15 top House of Representatives target seats and five Senate seats <a href="http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/story/0,,1890284,00.html">observer.guardian.co.uk/w...84,00.html</a>

by **marykmusic** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:08 pm

The times, they are a-changin'. Somebody most certainly decided to Let It Happen On Purpose. Could the whole Republican party dissolve over the Sleaze-and-Corruption issues? And are the Democrats sleazy and corrupt as well? (Probably.) --MaryK

by **postrchild** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:23 pm

This is damage control for '08.......they are clearing the closet so to speak, so 2 yrs from now (=forever for Americans) no one will remeber the "Rugs" side of it. It will be the D's turn to suffer a "mishap".....mark my words.

by **MASONIC PLOT** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 1:06 pm

of course the democrats are as sleazy as the rest of them. every election we get a choice between tweedledee and tweedledum. we vote for criminal thug A or criminal scumbag B. as far as I am concerned anyone who actually votes for either choice has no right to whine since your vote contributed to the problem and certainly helped bring about no solution. a conscious non vote is the most powerful political statement there is. when enough people stop voting and stop supporting this gang of thugs and their corporate protection racket then perhaps real change will result. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=masonicplot>MASONIC PLOT</A> at: 10/9/06 12:03 pm

by **alice** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 1:15 pm

She said this(about foleygate).......... "When it comes to sexual exploitation of children, you've heard me say over and over again, somebody knows something," added Wetterling. "In this case, many people knew and did nothing. That's criminal." on Monday 2nd October at a press conference.

by **postrchild** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 1:53 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>a conscious non vote is the most powerful political statement there is. when enough people stop voting and stop supporting this gang of thugs and their corporate protection racket then perhaps real change will result. <hr></blockquote> ummmm.......I am gonna just be nice and say that is fantastically unimaginative wishful f'ing thinking. You actually think tht will work huh? Well its like this. The Rugs have a base....that always votes (unless they are sickened by recent events). They are the only people in America that can have any affect with a CNV. Are you kidding us? They hope, no they bank, on "us" NOT voting. Great example: Here in Austin Tom Delay and his gang of Texas Thugs reapportioned the districts for voting. So if I want to vote on 11/7 I have to go to 2 DIFFERENT voting facilities to vote. 1 for the local and another for state/federal. They essentially made it such a pain in the ass to vote they hope no one will. You see a few yrs ago it was easy, go down to the nearest school or voting place and vote. Now you have different districts for state elections. Mine (& everyone else in Austin) is now on the OTHER SIDE OF TOWN. So now a quick 20 min trip to the polls, now requires me to take a day off and spend all day trying to "hope" my vote is actually counted. They are PURPOSEFULLY making it difficult. You are playing right into their hands, and trying to preach in a positive way, that we should too. Go to Rush's page with that crap. Or Oreily's........ What we should be saying is: "DONT VOTE FOR ANY INCUMBENTS" This way all the old blood can be nullified if not completely swept out. Your vote is dire this november. It is probably one of the most important votes you could submit in your meager lifespan. This is not just for you but for US! If you want to know my personal opinion, I dont think that votes matter....not in the sense everyone thinks. They may be counted, but we have seen elections rigged and stolen twice now! So they have their "ways". But its similar to my views on breeding/procreation, in that if everyone subscribed to our ideas, then where will be truly be? Underpopulated and dying out as a species. So: Welcome American Democracy to the endangered species list. These fuckers would love for only 15 people to vote. Thats that many people less they have to lie to, keep deeds hidden from, create intricate subjegation techniques for...... Please vote, just vote for a new face! Lets actually do some research on the alternate candidates. Check their backgrounds, google, hell ask them questions! This is something I havent seen in a long time (in an honest fashion) from a politician. I am sick of vetted questioners and scripted questions that are easier to manage for the candidate, rather than the tough questions that really matter. I dont even give a shit about social reform. I want to see Lobby reform in the guise of it being abolished. I want to see a senior politician who doesnt have something in his closet for the fuckwits to blackmail him/her with. I want to see movie stars and actresses put in jail for yrs just like my friends for being caught with drugs. The same for politicians. I want people who are even associated with the scum we see porpoise every two weeks around Capitol Hill, strung up by their heels just for rubbing elbows. I want politicians scared of US. Of what we will do if they are even caught raising a knowing eyebrow to Abramoff-type scum. They need to be scared. Not physically (but isnt that the root of any good scare tactic) but scared of SHAME! A highly underated emotion in American politics. For christ's sake how about just an honest human being on a ballot? Is that too much to ask? It just seems like we have "lowered expectations" (Mad TV) these days.... 2b cont......

by **MASONIC PLOT** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 2:06 pm

Ok Postr, well you just go right ahead and keep voting, regardless of who it is they are being pimped by corporations and they will do the bidding of those corporations when elected. it is delusional to continue to do the same thing over and over and over and expect a different result. stop supporting a system that is corrupted by corporate money and at some point real change will happen. you wont catch me voting on election day and therefore I have a right to whine and gripe about the filthy results THAT YOUR DELUSION CREATED. Oh, and you may want to catch up on diebold voting machines and how they simply rig the elections in their favor anyway. The more people who stop voting the better chance we have at exposing their criminal racket. I know you state worshiping types have a problem with this but its time to face the facts. When we have such a thing as a real government then i might consider voting, until then forget it. I do not support criminal protection rackets who shake the people down for their money based on the threat of death or imprisonment, that is NOT government it is ANARCHY. When a gang of thugs running a protection racket shakes you down for your money at gunpoint we call this ANARCHY. That is what we have today, there is NO SUCH THING AS GOVERNMENT, that is a delusion that has been programmed into the heads of the people. Nobody has a right to RULE ME. I will rule myself. I know not to hurt others and not to steal from others, i can govern myself. Quite frankly I resent the fact that YOU and your state worshiping voter types cast votes giving criminals the right to rule me without my permission. If you want a real discussion lets talk about the nature of AUTHORITY and where it derives from. In all my years of research I have not heard one credible peep from any state worshiping voter as to where, when and how AUTHORITY originates and especially how that AUTHORITY somehow has gained control over ME without MY PERMISSION. Your vote is a vote to give permission for others to CONTROL me, please tell me, WHO GAVE YOU THAT RIGHT? Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=masonicplot>MASONIC PLOT</A> at: 10/9/06 12:22 pm

by **johnny nemo** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 3:20 pm

postrchild, I live in Austin, as well and I share your dismay at the new districts. I used to be able to walk across the street from my house and vote for the fascist crook of my choice, and now I gotta go across town to do it. ----------------------------------------------------------- MASONIC PLOT, I wanna build a bridge here, because I like your "take no prisoners" style. You describe the system we have now as anarchy, but I call it feudalism. We're the serfs. We create all the wealth and the clergy and aristocrats shake us down for our "tithes". We do, however, have the power to change all this; it's called voting. I agree with your assessment of many of the candidates they parade in front of us in their lil "dog and pony" show. I do, however, remember a time when the American people were so disillusioned after Watergate, that they hired a man who swore that he would "never tell a lie to the American people" and he didn't. Around the same time, there was a man elected mayor of Cleveland, who stood up for the Tom Joads there. I'm not saying that Jimmy Carter and Dennis Kucinich are perfect, but they were definitely progressives. Let's add the name Cynthia McKinney to the mix and imagine a world where we are represented locally by someone like Kucinich, represented on a national basis by someone like Cynthia McKinney and on an Executive level by someone like Carter. Things would be a HELLUVA lot better than they are now. Guess what? There is someone like that right now involved in politics in every town, city, munincipality, burough and state in America. All they need is (y)our support. You say the system is too corrupt and they'lll never make it? Get everyone you know who believes half of what you do about what's wrong with this country to support this person. Get them to sign petitions, man phones, go door to door, get them air time on Public Access TV, i.e. run them as far up the flag pole as far as you can, and THEN you can say that you tried your hardest and it didn't work. Or, you can not vote and watch as the whole thing goes under and as we all rot away in our Halliburton-built, FEMA detention camps, you can gloat over how self-satisfied and vindicated you feel by your non-participation. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=johnnynemo>johnny nemo</A> at: 10/9/06 1:30 pm

by **MASONIC PLOT** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 4:02 pm

All excellent points Nemo. I am certainly open to dialogue despite my harsh rhetoric to the contrary. I am aware of those like kucinich, mckinney, ron paul, and perhaps even carter, although I do believe carter was a player just a little more humble than the players we are dealing with today. The problem is, none of the above mentioned people have ever stood up on the house floor and exposed what happened on 9-11. not once. they have all given extraordinary speeches on the federal reserve conspiracy, how the nation is being run by fascists etc, but it seems to me they merely pay lip service to these issues and hardly scratch the surface of what is really going on. This leads me to believe they may actually be part of the hegelian dialect themselves, propped up by the PTB to make you and I THINK we actually have a voice in congress speaking our language, yet nothing ever changes. I understand that by not voting I am allowing a very crass reich wing minority of grass roots fascists to control the election and continue to elect these nazis who have hijacked our wonderful nation, but i do feel very strongly that the only way to real change is to stop supporting this system altogether. It may take a while but eventually enough people will catch on and real change will take place. Sure, we could continue to vote and work hard for good people to be elected into office but I feel it is too late for that, the corporations are too powerful and too deeply imbedded in american politics for ANYONE, no matter who they are, to rise above it. if youre on a national ticket id wager there is a 100% chance that you are being pimped by corporate money and you will bend over for that corporation and do their bidding, at the expense of the people, the moment youre sworn in. Local politics is another matter entirely. I vote for school boards, sometimes for city council or mayor, but that is because I live in a very small metro area and I know personally that those running are funded strictly by the small donations of those who live in the area. Very few corporations have yet to penetrate our little world here. Anyway, your points are well taken and I certainly appreciate your time and effort to explain your position. Lets continue to find new ways to overthrow these thugs and topple their criminal racket. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=masonicplot>MASONIC PLOT</A> at: 10/9/06 2:05 pm

by **Infernal Optimist** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 9:50 am

anyone know Wetterling's position re: the Gosch/Franklin type issues. ? She's kind of celebrity here in MN for being a proponent of various child-protection initiatives and laws. This is a result of her son, Jacob, being abducted many years ago. In her previous run for Senate I thought she was kind of a weak candidate. But in the current race she's perfectly positioned to take the moral high ground on the current scandal (her ads are calling for the immediate expulsion of anyone involved in the scandal or the coverup). The Republican National Committee is spending lots of money in a smear campaign against her but it's coming off looking mean-spirited and it's doing the R's more harm than good.

by **johnny nemo** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 1:18 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>The problem is, none of the above mentioned people have ever stood up on the house floor and exposed what happened on 9-11.<hr></blockquote> You have not been following the career of Cynthia McKinney, or you wouldn't say that. <a href="http://www.ny911truth.org/articles/mckinney_acj.htm">www.ny911truth.org/articl...ey_acj.htm</a> GOP politicizes 9/11 for its gain, McKinney says By DAVID HO The Atlanta Journal-Constitution Published on: 09/09/04 NEW YORK — Former Georgia congresswoman Cynthia McKinney accused Republicans on Thursday of exploiting the memory of Sept. 11, 2001, for political gain and repeated her implication that truths about the attacks remain untold. The DeKalb County Democrat, who is running to reclaim the 4th District congressional seat, was voted out two years ago after making controversial comments about the Sept. 11 attacks during a radio interview. She implied that the Bush administration had known the attacks were coming but did nothing to prevent them. On Thursday, she chaired a hearing staged by activist groups and researchers who say the government has covered up information related to the hijackings. "No organization, no administration, no forces, no powers that be are going to crush the truth of what happened on Sept. 11 to the ground," she vowed. She said the New York event, dubbed the "Omissions Hearings," had "no political agenda other than the truth." By contrast, she said, the Republicans who came to Manhattan to hold their national convention last week "stormed into New York City, their words dripping with the politicization of an American tragedy." <a href="http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2005/240305mckinneygrills.htm">www.prisonplanet.com/arti...grills.htm</a> Representative Cynthia McKinney Grills Rumsfeld On Dyncorp Sex Rings, Missing Pentagon Trillions & 9/11 Wargames

by **postrchild** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 1:26 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>you wont catch me voting on election day and therefore I have a right to whine and gripe about the filthy results THAT YOUR DELUSION CREATED.<hr></blockquote> So is that what this is about the RIGHT to whine.....fine its yours. But dont expect it to effect anything more than a vote would. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Oh, and you may want to catch up on diebold voting machines and how they simply rig the elections in their favor anyway. The more people who stop voting the better chance we have at exposing their criminal racket. I know you state worshiping types have a problem with this but its time to face the facts.<hr></blockquote> I think I have alliterated this fact in many many posts. BUT...if enough people have their vote hijacked enough times it will create a movement....I guarantee that. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>When we have such a thing as a real government then i might consider voting, until then forget it.<hr></blockquote> Fine. You deserve what you get. You dont deserve a "real govt" if you arent willing to work for it.... <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Quite frankly I resent the fact that YOU and your state worshiping voter types cast votes giving criminals the right to rule me without my permission.<hr></blockquote> So where did you get the idea I was a "state worshiper"? Because I tried to explain why a vote counts even if it "doesnt"......wether or not you (or I) believe in it as a traditional vote? Your ad hominem attacks show that you, sir, are the one who needs the outsourcing of a "grip". <blockquote>Quote:<hr>In all my years of research I have not heard one credible peep from any state worshiping voter as to where, when and how AUTHORITY originates and especially how that AUTHORITY somehow has gained control over ME without MY PERMISSION. Your vote is a vote to give permission for others to CONTROL me, please tell me, WHO GAVE YOU THAT RIGHT? <hr></blockquote> Ummm reference your parents, grand parents, and so on. They must have thought it was a great idea! We give them authority. Yes YOU and I. We think they are the authority, therefore they are! I think that 911 was an inside job. I dont know how or why for sure (who does?), but I am sure to my absolute core it was a NeoCon agenda drafted straight from Northwoods and PNAC. But that doesnt mean I want to go threatening to shoot a congressman, because I dont believe in his values or morals. He still is an authority figure...and there would be consequences.....with Anarchy you would have no consequences. It would be like the wild west with shoot outs or better yet Iraq. You want that? I am not trying to defend the pseudo-liberals that were named, but I can only say "When in Rome...". Not that that is an excuse but I truly believe that if Cynthia McKinney got up on the floor and started talking about 911 truth she would be laughed out of the chamber. There is a movement forming, that will take years to fully come of age, but you will see this thing blown wide open like so many stories of steel and concrete in new york. True we will never see the true culprits get what they deserve but there will be a reckoning if we can survive the NeoCon/Facsismo onslaught of the next 10 yrs. Calm down sir. Take a breath and realize we ARE on the same side with MANY MANY MANY similar views on things. If we could sit face to face we might even become fast friends, because I really do like alot of your posts/thoughts. Hell maybe you could even come to respect my opinions and weigh the merit in them, like I do yours. I still emplore you to vote just as emphatcally as you hope I dont. Cheers.

by **Hugh Manatee Wins** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 1:33 pm

Here's a problem with the Foley underwear coup of implied paedophilia when 'page' triggers the association 'paedophile.' Focusing on 'inappropriate sex' can backfire to anti-gay sentiments even though those two topics have nothing to do with each other. In American politics, sadly, they do. Just as 'non-white' is a status of interchangable scapegoats so is 'non-married heterosexual.' Anxieties are transferrable and those who get whipped up over Foley/Republican sex politics can take it out on gay Americans. That's been going on for a long time. So I'm leary of using the opportunistic underwear coup when mass torture, murder, looting, and ecocrisis are so much worse than Foleygate.Stay away from sex and focus on violence.

by **sunny** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 1:36 pm

The best plan is this: OVERWHELM them at the polls. Turn out in such #'s as to make it impossible to hide the theft. 20-30 % of the electorate, the Boosh Cultists, will not care how they won, but WhoTF are they, compared to the rest of us? Such an obvious theft will be a watershed for many people, forcing a confrontation that will determine matters, one way or the other.

by **postrchild** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 1:43 pm

and one more thing.... Please expound upon how your ideas of cons. non voting will make a difference? The electoral college still picks the pres even if NO ONE votes. How will this change things? Forgive me if I am being unimaginative, but I dont see how this is any less futile than voting on a diebold? So say all of texas doesnt vote... so what? The rest of the country is still deciding what's good for texans. So texans would be hurting themselves if they didnt vote.....its either have a small say or none at all....its gonna happen either way. You would have to have 100% compliance with this theory. Impossible to say the least as far as America is concerned. As soon as the KKK'ers find out the NAACP is on board they are out. As soon as the Christian Coalition finds out that the Satanists and Pagans are on board they are out too.....you see? There are too many opposing factions in the U.S. You will bever get 100% compliance and that is what you would HAVE to have for a CNV to work. Please prove me wrong.<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/frown.gif ALT=":(">

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