Johnny Gosh --What's driving this???

by **Gouda** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 12:24 pm

Oh, I wouldn't say analysis is necessarily deteriorating - Chris Bollyn garbage has been popping up here for as long as I can remember. He must be writing from safety in Norway? <a href="http://www.rense.com/general73/bol.htm">www.rense.com/general73/bol.htm</a> <blockquote>Quote:<hr>I intend to seek asylum in Norway or Switzerland. I can read the writing on the wall. Investigative journalists are not safe in Iraq or the United States. <hr></blockquote> Run away! <img src="http://www.desertratdemocrat.com/archives/HolyGrail072.jpg" style="border:0;"/> "Brave Sir Robin" Brave Sir Robin ran away. ("No!") Bravely ran away, away. ("I didn't!") When danger reared its ugly head, He bravely turned his tail and fled. ("No!") Yes, brave Sir Robin turned about ("I didn't!") And gallantly he chickened out. ("I never did!") Bravely taking to his feet He beat a very brave retreat, ("All lies!") Bravest of the brave, Sir Robin! ("I never!") He is packing it in, And packing it up, And sneaking away, And buggering off, And chickening out, And pissing off home, Yes, bravely he is throwing in the sponge.

by **darkbeforedawn** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 12:28 pm

I may be an idiot, but some of his stuff seems good. Anyway this was first posted at AFP. Sorry if it is total garbage. I haven't been in the sleuth business very long.....

by **havanagilla** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 12:35 pm

google the word, get the website. 9-11 big discovery - arabs, israelis work as robots for big money corps. rich jews scot free, idiot MidEastern are "expelled" (spies or lunatics same result), MC continues, hillary clinton (big salvation) is elected ? world is DIFFERENT after 9-11 truth comes out. ahem. IRan gets to enrich uranium and gets a bigger stake in halliburton gains. more israelis immigrate out to EU and US, the ME stays the same lovely place it always is. deal over and done. wow, amazing victory for truth. gimme a better environment and some real news.

by **darkbeforedawn** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 12:43 pm

You have totally lost me.

by **havanagilla** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 2:08 pm

an excellent book by Page DuBois, called "torture and truth", is a very good historical account of the practice of torture. Apparently, and until 16th century torture was formalized and sanctioned under the law of the gentry. In fact, the main evidence in a trial was the introduction of confessions extracted, under the court order, from the slaves of the defendant. so, a law suit between two feudals, for, say theft by one, would include a court order that allowed the claimant access and custody of named slaves for the purpose of torture. the informatoin thus extracted was introduced as evidence in the trial. Around the time of Queen Elizabeth, certain laws were enacted to regulate the torture of slaves. I dno't know why i am reminded of this.

by **darkbeforedawn** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 4:38 pm

-Man is born to trouble as the sparks fly upward-so the barbs of the old testament tell us. So we have slaves and we have torture just like merry ole England. I still am shocked, sorry. And maybe the Chris Boylen article was alittle off topic. It sure sends folks through the roof when ever anyone implies Israeli control over US phone/computer network or Zionist control over corporate media. I doubt very much there is any question about either of these two being entirely possible. I don't have "hard" facts. Just a lot of circumstantial evidence--enough that it is a very debateable topic and not at all KKK. It is insulting to be called a racist. I am not a racist. I am looking at what is going down and trying to find answers.

by **havanagilla** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 5:05 pm

didn't say you were kkk, said the writer is. and hopefully, in norway or what not he;ll be charged with human rights violations as part of the american people who devastated iraq. let him taste some of his own medicine. on edit- I don't think there is anything in my entire postage on this board to question the legitimate inquiry into israel's computer role in the usa or the functioning of the us msm in relation to zionist agenda. au contraire. Practically speaking, and my point was only that of moral/practical suggestion that there is nothing to encourage a challenge to said policies. certainly, condoning torture of victims in the name of "search for 9-11 truth" (or any other "truth") is repulsive and counterproductive, although tempting in the short run. I guess that's the same reasoning behind gitmo, in the other camp. to the point of the article, israelis are visible around the security/cyber field, upon the invitation of the USA. regertfully, the types who are elevated are those with criminal tendencies, and this is a cause of damage to Israel. Namely, elevating certain criminal types, is one of the ways to ruin a community. Israel does that to the arab minority. place criminals at the top and let the rest happen. this means that there are many victims among the Israelis of said criminals, and I was advising not to lump'em up with the perps, on a racial basis, because they will not cooperate with you, when you want to or need the info. of course, one can alway resort to torture, baits and honey traps and what not, but as reality shows, it never works, really, maybe here and there. to make you feel really smart. the racial component becomes more problematic when you are led by the nose to actually condone blackmail, and this is what I was getting at in my earlier post. beware of he racist boogeyman, cause we all have it, and the point is to honestly address it in he open. that's the only way you can be different from those you criticize so much for being racists and bigots. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=havanagilla>havanagilla</A> at: 9/4/06 4:06 pm

by **Project Willow** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 6:19 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>A principled, sustained lobby that focuses on exposing the practice, rather than on political context, will refuse to settle for half answers, or limited hangouts, even when it is being fed some crumbs of "political gains". namely, refuse a shallow explanation.<hr></blockquote> Thanks for making this point Hava. As for taking practical steps, that should also be a serious part of the discussion at any given time. About Hugh's point, I see that the pedophile issue could be used as another control tactic, but it isn't analogous to other issues he mentioned, so we could get into quagmire over that.

by **rocco33** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 7:00 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>iranians now are peddling info about mc/pedo, and they can crack the lid over some shit, but have no interest in fixing western democracy or doing your job. they will use the info to get their political demands (nuclear stuff, release of prisoners from israel etc.). the "brokering countries", canada, germany, uk, are taking the coupons and keeping the lid.<hr></blockquote> Halv, I've always admired your viewpoints, especially considering you're in Israel, it's always great to hear a sane voice from the wild. But this above quote has me a bit confused. Can you link or post sources to your claim that Iran is "peddling info about mc/pedo"? I would be very curious to see that as I keep a pretty good eye on international news. In my mind, there has been a silent war going on between factions on the rightwing here in the US. The right owns the science behind MC, namely ELF, HAARP, and EMP, as well as all the corporations helping implement, i.e. Lockheed, Boeing, etc. I think this is what has caused so much silence since Wellstone and the anthrax attacks on Daschle and Leahy from the "left". IMO, this could be a war between hard right "Israel firsters", and others on the right who are tired of being cannon fodder for a country smaller than New Jersey. Have you heard about the latest? A dual citizen who's a member of the Trilateral Commission AND the CFR...Jeffrey Epstein. <div style="text-align:center">In sworn statements to the police, the 14-year-old and other teenage girls said a friend had arranged for them to visit Mr. Epstein’s home and give him massages, usually in their underwear, in exchange for cash. Most of the girls, according to the police, said Mr. Epstein had masturbated during the massages, and a few said he had penetrated them with his fingers or penis. They identified him in photos and accurately described the inside of his home. </div> <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/03/us/03epstein.html?ex=1157947200&en=ff7a7566b77922dc&ei=5070&emc=eta1">NY Times link</a> If you dig back further on Epstein, you'll find this profile on him where Donald Trump, of all people, had this to say... <div style="text-align:center"> "I've known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy,'' Trump booms from a speakerphone. "He's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it -- Jeffrey enjoys his social life."</div> <a href="http://newyorkmetro.com/nymetro/news/people/n_7912/">NY Metro: Jeffrey Epstein; International Man of Mystery</a> Then we have the story coming out of Australia, that an Israeli, Arie Scher, who's wanted for pedophilia and child pornography charges in Brazil circa 2001 when he worked at the consulate in Rio, has just been appointed to the consulate as a diplomat to Australia. <div style="text-align:center">The Sydney Morning Herald is reporting that notorious child pornographer Arie Scher has been flagged as the replacement for Amir Laty, the former Israeli consul to Australia who was expelled amid extreme secrecy from Australia about a month ago. The government has refused to explain why Laty, who was only 18 months into his posting, was forced to leave under the threat of deportation. It is believed, and has been widely reported, that Laty's expulsion was related to espionage, as well as personal "indiscretions." Arie Scher's choice as Laty's replacement has already sparked outrage. According to dozens of reports, including one in the Israeli newspaper Ma'ariv, Scher abandoned his posting at the Israeli embassy in Brazil five years ago after being implicated in child pornography and before police were able to question him. Scher, who was the Israeli vice-consul in Rio, and at one point the consul-general, was charged with running an illegal child pornography and prostitution business. The investigation began when an underage girl testified that she was filmed and photographed by Hebrew language teacher George Schteinberg having sex with Israeli tourists. According to the girl, Scher participated in the sex parties. She said the consul also liked the company of boys and that he had a sexual relationship with Schteinberg. Police say this was confirmed by a photograph in which the two men appear naked together. (Picture: Professor Schteinberg hides from photographers as he's being taken away by police.) </div> What do you make of all this as an Israeli citizen? Why does Israel always allow criminals to escape to Israel and refuse extradiction? This seems to happen all the time. Just like that Comverse guy Jakob "Kobi" Alexander, who stole millions and fled to Israel last month. Do you think that blackmailers from BOTH sides are playing out a little game right now? Or do you think this is all a red-herring?

by **havanagilla** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 7:13 pm

rocco, Alexander never fled to Israel, he was caught in Sri Lanka, actually BY an Israeli private eye, hired by US firms. check your facts, and then i might address the rest of it. that's the kind of "slip" you should address, namely, you and your god and your intentions. As for Iran peddling with secrets, if it wasn't for them, you'd have no info on all the latest "scoops" in the USA related to ISraeli involvment. i don't hold that against them, just don't count your blessings, cause Iran has no intention to "fix" the USA's social maladies. and I do think you are not updated on their MC capacities, or the leak of said technologies from where you think they originate. Mind you there are several survivors in Denmark and other European countries, who are refugees from Iran, alleging MC by their gov. Not so interesting I suppose, but they do exist. And in fact, if the US turned israelis into robotized slaves, why would it exclude Iran? Just a bit of correction to readers in general, Iran is NOT an arab country. Rocco, last but not least. Are the Israelis "escaping" or are they being conveniently expelled ? While diplomats cannot be charged (there are immunities) the two little thugs from NZ were charged, arrested and then miraculously sent out to israel. nobody snatched them or helped them run away. do you think perhaps NZ received some favors ? ah no, impossible to imagine such a crooked deal. thanks for viewing me as "fresh air" from israel, I am dying to meet my :twin soul from the other places. no such luck yet.

by **havanagilla** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 6:11 am

rocco, thanks for the epstein lead. interesting.

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