Graham Kennedy, ritual abuse and death threats

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Graham Kennedy, ritual abuse and death threats

Postby biaothanatoi » Tue Oct 17, 2006 1:54 am

There is a <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://gaiaguys.net/" target="top">mildly crazy Australian website</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> that initially broke a ritual abuse case here in Australia, prior to it being picked up by the mainstream press. The allegations prompted a scathing Ombudsman's report into "botched" police investigations into organised child abuse in the 1990s and the cases were subsequently re-opened. However, the website owners have been successfully sued by the Australian Ordo Templi Orientis for defamation.<br><br>The website explicitly names a (now deceased) famous gay Australian comedian and television host, Graham Kennedy, as a ritually abusive perpetrator, alongside some fairly obvious "hints" at other high-profile alleged perpetrators. Given that the website contains some pretty bizarre material about extraterrestrials, UFOs and so on, it's to be taken with a grain of salt.<br><br>However, my ears pricked up when I saw <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=150545" target="top">this</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Tight security is expected to surround the launch of a controversial new book on TV legend Graham Kennedy after its author received death threats.<br><br>Rob Astbury, a former Melbourne TV sports presenter and Kennedy's ex-lover, said he had received several threats on his life, ahead of the Australian launch of King and I later this month.<br><br>...<br><br>Astbury, who lives in Thailand, said he had been shaken by the telephone death threats, adding, "A male voice, I didn't recognise, told me I would be a dead man if I returned to Australia.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>The article later speculates that the death threats could be motivated by "Kennedy confidantes who still had something to hide" e.g. Astbury was about to out public closet cases, but that seems unlikely to have sparked several death threats. I'm not saying that I buy the Graham Kennedy-RA connection at all, but it seems like an interesting coincidence. <br><br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=biaothanatoi@rigorousintuition>biaothanatoi</A> at: 10/16/06 11:55 pm<br></i>
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Re: Graham Kennedy, ritual abuse and death threats

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Tue Oct 17, 2006 9:21 pm

I know an ex Melbourne pimp who had many off colour stories about Kennedy, Don Lane and ol' moonface. <br><br>He told me some funny stories about their "orders", but never mentioned anything that could be linked to RA or sex with minors. The funniest I spose was Don Lane's fetish for dressing up in baby clothes. There have been rumours about Lane being a child abuser for years. Thinking about it, I doubt he would have mentioned anything to do with kids and pimping to us. Especially as some of the people he associated with were definitely into organising child prostitution. I don't see the ex pimp anymore...<br><br>Dunno about the gaia guys. They are into weirdness, but so am I... If I remember rightly they accuse Moonface of the same stuff...<br><br>They live around the mid north coast somewhere. Have a lot of hate for the OTO or whatever it is now,<br><br>And may be referring to <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.abc.net.au/austory/content/2006/s1730047.htm" target="top">this</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> among other things.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Graham Kennedy, ritual abuse and death threats

Postby biaothanatoi » Tue Oct 17, 2006 10:42 pm

It's hard to sort out fact and fiction in the Gaiaguys stuff. I personally know the source and while she's legit, she also comes from a fundie Christian background and swallowed the "Illuminati" mythos hook, line and sinker. <br><br>Can't ignore the possibility that Kennedy was fingered as a perp simply because he was gay. Also, people who use the services of RA groups (child prostitution) are sometimes indistinguishable from actual RA perps in the accounts of survivors.<br><br>I've known a few people in the OTO, none were perps. The bad guys might be Thelemites but it's unlikely that they are card-carrying members. That's another little distinction that gets lost in the Gaiaguys stuff. <p></p><i></i>
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hair splitting

Postby blanc » Wed Oct 18, 2006 12:57 pm

not too comfy with the notion that there shouls be differentiation btwn ra perps and thos who use their services. latter types enable process to continue, indulge in similar practices - both guilty in same measure <p></p><i></i>
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Re: hair splitting

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Wed Oct 18, 2006 8:16 pm

Ole mate the pimp was a bit of a scumbag.<br><br>He had little or no respect for women...<br><br>But was on the body that consulted with the Vic gov about legalising prostitution back in the 80s or early 90s.<br><br>Although he ended up in a "legit" and legal business ...<br><br>IMO Protitution is more often than not a form of RA in itself. Its dodgy as... <p></p><i></i>
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Re: hair splitting

Postby biaothanatoi » Wed Oct 18, 2006 8:42 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>not too comfy with the notion that there shouls be differentiation btwn ra perps and thos who use their services. latter types enable process to continue, indulge in similar practices - both guilty in same measure<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>Agreed. The issue for me is one of clarity - group member vs client is an important distinction in understanding how the gruops operate and expand their power base (thru blackmail etc). <p></p><i></i>
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Re: hair splitting

Postby biaothanatoi » Wed Oct 18, 2006 8:52 pm

I found this article below regarding prostitute's experience of RA a little while ago. <br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>"Expert sets record straight on dark realities of prostitution: Conference an eye-opener for county social workers"<br>Ellis E. Conklin;P-I Reporter <br>14 December 1991<br>Seattle Post-Intelligencer<br><br>Hunter, a social psychologist, is executive director of the Council for Prostitution Alternatives, a Portland, Ore.-based group that since 1984 has provided financial assistance and emotional support to women - and men - looking to get off the streets, away from the escort services, and out of the massage parlors and topless dance clubs. <br><br>...<br><br>Citing a recent study, Neland said as many as 20 percent to 25 percent of prostitutes have participated in "ritual abuse," meaning they are approached by satanic cults and used as subjects in graphic underground films showing rape and group orgies.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>A fifth to a quarter is a little high for me - and I've never been able to find this research. It's incredibly difficult to do research with sex workers with so many strata in the "industry", from legal, to quasi-legal, to underground.<br><br>However, I did find <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.sistersinside.com.au/media/whenwillyouseetherealus.pdf" target="top">this report</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> from Sisters Inside, a support service for women in prison in Australia. Of 100 female prisoners surveyed in Queensland, 16% identified as survivors of ritual abuse. Maybe the figures are higher then I think? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: hair splitting

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Thu Oct 19, 2006 8:09 pm

I think a fifth to a quarter may be low.<br><br>Depending what you mean by ritual abuse. Most of the people I have met in that game that talk abouit what it is or was like say there is abuse. On a meta level it follows the same petterns of keeping people disempowered and scared.<br><br>There also seems to be a trend, just going by the media, that in Australia foreign "sex slaves" are becoming more and more prevalent... The underground side of the industry always sems to bring about ugliness.<br><br>I had a very disturbing conversation last nite.<br><br>A local gay couple were accused of some ugly stuff.<br><br>Apparantly one of them, a former Les Girl I think, said something abut a mates daughter. (She is 4 years old with awesomely blond hair. You can see it from space, its that bright...)<br><br>That he could get a lot of money for her in Thailand.<br><br>HIs partner may well be a RA survivor. She is a bit mad with a history opf family abuse by her dad, and a network of doctors teachers, the usual suspects, in NZ. Sometimes she says some very disconcerting things about the past.<br><br>I dunno if the guy was making a joke that went wrong. Off colour jokes are always bandied about around here. The older guys, Vietnam Vets many of them, often joke about Thailand's sex trade. SO it could be another case of homophobia.<br><br>But to imply you have connections to that market, selling chidren. Well, I dunno, if it was my daughter he was talking about, I would probably be very very very angry.<br><br>Thats what really disturbs me about the story. I don't like the gay bashing "all poofs are pedophiles" mentality. It seems most victims I know were abused by so called straight men.<br><br>In my mind there is a difference between "That kid would fetch a fortune in Thailand," and "<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>I could</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> get a fortune for that kid in thailand".<br><br>What is it about Thailand? <p></p><i></i>
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